Why the big swords anyway?

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AccursedTheory said:
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Dodging a bullet is very different from dodging a melee attack to be sure. But it can be done. The difference is that in order to dodge a bullet the move generally has to be made before the bullet is fired.
Than your not dodging a bullet, you are predicting enemy attacks, which is something entirely different. And because a person firing a weapon will be firing center mass and leading his target, it will most likely fail.

It only takes a millimeter or two at decent ranges to adjust fire. Guess which is quicker: adjusting aim or anticipating an attack and moving?
It's seems that we're simply dealing with semantics now.
 

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Well I've always wondered and I've decided to ask. What is so attractive about swinging around an excessively and unrealistically large sword?




JRPG's are the staple of the extremely large sword, but I ask, why? Why a large sword, when a small one would probably be less unruly? Why a sword, when guns are available, even revolvers or western guns that seem to be popular in anime.

Not only why the gigantic sword, but why the sword at all?

{This is a bit short, I realize, but I don't really know how to post those nice long ones; I don't really do the forum thing.}
why does the sword in pic 2 have toilet paper on it?
Because its shit?... Or THE shit? :/
 

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SlowShootinPete said:
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I never said that it didn't make a difference. But history is a big thing and firearms have not been around for very long comparatively speaking.
What does the scope of history have to do with it? When guns came around, everything changed in a very short period. If that's not influential I don't know what is.
I never said that it wasn't influential. Humankind has been slowly but steadily devising ways to get machines to do more and more of the work for them. Perhaps developing firearms was merely a part of this overall trend. But the human factor is still arguably the most crucial component. But I guess it largely depends on your point of view. For example guns are still useless without a human to use them. At least for the time being.
 

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because real men use swords bigger then they are!

as a result the opposition feel small, weak, inadequate and just have to kill themselves!
 

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A1 said:
AccursedTheory said:
A1 said:
Dodging a bullet is very different from dodging a melee attack to be sure. But it can be done. The difference is that in order to dodge a bullet the move generally has to be made before the bullet is fired.
Than your not dodging a bullet, you are predicting enemy attacks, which is something entirely different. And because a person firing a weapon will be firing center mass and leading his target, it will most likely fail.

It only takes a millimeter or two at decent ranges to adjust fire. Guess which is quicker: adjusting aim or anticipating an attack and moving?
It's seems that we're simply dealing with semantics now.
It is semantics, but that's what happens when someone isn't paying attention to the words they're using.

If you are 50 meters away and I have a pistol, I will shoot and kill you. You can anticipate and 'dodge' all you want, but you will die. Unless you jump out of a closet and I'm not barely paying attention, I will kill you.

NOTE: By you I mean sword wielding person, not necessarily you.

A1 said:
I never said that it wasn't influential. Humankind has been slowly but steadily devising ways to get machines to do more and more of the work for them. Perhaps developing firearms was merely a part of this overall trend. But the human factor is still arguably the most crucial component. But I guess it largely depends on your point of view. For example guns are still useless without a human to use them. At least for the time being.
Swords and melee weapons are useless without humans to, which means... it has no bearing on the argument of sword vs. gun.

Not sure why it was brought up in the first place, whoever brought it up.
 

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But the human factor is still arguably the most crucial component. But I guess it largely depends on your point of view. For example guns are still useless without a human to use them. At least for the time being.
I would assume that any kind of hand-held weapon requires a human to operate, yes.

Unless you can refute the inherent advantages of firearms, this human element nonsense is meaningless. Find a piece of rope or nylon cord and try to cut through it with your teeth. Then try again with a knife and tell me if the tool or the human element was the more decisive factor.

Weapons are specialized tools that give you capabilities you would not possess otherwise. A sword gives you the capability to destroy things that are close to you. A gun gives you the capability to destroy things that are close to you or far away, with less training and physical effort required to do so.

Something I didn't think of before, by the way. You kept bringing up ammunition, so I'd like to bring up muscle fatigue from running, dodging, and swinging a heavy piece of steel around.

No the human element does not matter most. People are not naturally endowed to shoot small high-speed projectiles out of their asses. That's why we had to invent guns. The fact that different people have different skill in using certain weapons does not change the fact that some weapons are inherently better.
 

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sword of the berserk actually kinda pissed me off. so much non-canon SO MUCH! ARGH! 4xedcr5ijn
I never read the comics so I don't know about that. I did read that it was set between two volumes though.
 

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Onyx Oblivion said:
There actually aren't many big swords in JRPGs, really. There are lots of swords, but not many big ones.

And why? BECAUSE BIGGER IS BETTER!
/thread.

New question, how does bandages on everything in anime and JRPG's make things seem so much more powerful?
 

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Deadlock Radium said:
Onyx Oblivion said:
There actually aren't many big swords in JRPGs, really. There are lots of swords, but not many big ones.

And why? BECAUSE BIGGER IS BETTER!
/thread.

New question, how does bandages on everything in anime and JRPG's make things seem so much more powerful?
Probably because fighters wrap their hands and feet in bandages to prevent damage. So if you wrap up you're entire body...

Holy shit, Japanese anime characters really ARE living weapons!

Slightly more serious answer: Same reason why kids have 'Battle Damage' GI joes and such.
 

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AccursedTheory said:
Probably because fighters wrap their hands and feet in bandages to prevent damage. So if you wrap up you're entire body...
Oh..
[SUB]*Goes to the store to buy LOTS of bandages.*[/SUB]
 

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SlowShootinPete said:
A1 said:
But the human factor is still arguably the most crucial component. But I guess it largely depends on your point of view. For example guns are still useless without a human to use them. At least for the time being.
I would assume that any kind of hand-held weapon requires a human to operate, yes.

Unless you can refute the inherent advantages of firearms, this human element nonsense is meaningless. Find a piece of rope or nylon cord and try to cut through it with your teeth. Then try again with a knife and tell me if the tool or the human element was the more decisive factor.

Weapons are specialized tools that give you capabilities you would not possess otherwise. A sword gives you the capability to destroy things that are close to you. A gun gives you the capability to destroy things that are close to you or far away, with less training and physical effort required to do so.

Something I didn't think of before, by the way. You kept bringing up ammunition, so I'd like to bring up muscle fatigue from running, dodging, and swinging a heavy piece of steel around.

No the human element does not matter most. People are not naturally endowed to shoot small high-speed projectiles out of their asses. That's why we had to invent guns. The fact that different people have different skill in using certain weapons does not change the fact that some weapons are inherently better.
I'm very sorry. I know you like to debate but I've already said what I wanted to say and I have no interest in debating the matter any further.
 

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I'm not really sure why such big swords are become a recurring theme.
If I had to interperet it, I would say apart from adding a distinctive feature to the character, it helps with suspension of disbelief. If you see a scrawny guy with a yellow porcupine on his head swinging a blade the size of your average Buick, it's not much harder to believe that he's fighting with Mr. T who has a machine gun instead of a hand, or a 30 foot long snake impaled on a tree.

If nothing else, like a lot of other people said, it's just plain cool.
 

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AccursedTheory said:
A1 said:
AccursedTheory said:
A1 said:
Dodging a bullet is very different from dodging a melee attack to be sure. But it can be done. The difference is that in order to dodge a bullet the move generally has to be made before the bullet is fired.
Than your not dodging a bullet, you are predicting enemy attacks, which is something entirely different. And because a person firing a weapon will be firing center mass and leading his target, it will most likely fail.

It only takes a millimeter or two at decent ranges to adjust fire. Guess which is quicker: adjusting aim or anticipating an attack and moving?
It's seems that we're simply dealing with semantics now.
It is semantics, but that's what happens when someone isn't paying attention to the words they're using.

If you are 50 meters away and I have a pistol, I will shoot and kill you. You can anticipate and 'dodge' all you want, but you will die. Unless you jump out of a closet and I'm not barely paying attention, I will kill you.

NOTE: By you I mean sword wielding person, not necessarily you.

A1 said:
I never said that it wasn't influential. Humankind has been slowly but steadily devising ways to get machines to do more and more of the work for them. Perhaps developing firearms was merely a part of this overall trend. But the human factor is still arguably the most crucial component. But I guess it largely depends on your point of view. For example guns are still useless without a human to use them. At least for the time being.
Swords and melee weapons are useless without humans to, which means... it has no bearing on the argument of sword vs. gun.

Not sure why it was brought up in the first place, whoever brought it up.

Whoa. Didn't you say something about being careful about the words you use or something along those lines? Because it would seem that the words you're using bear at least a little more than a passing resemblance to a death threat. I know that's not how it is but you really should avoid that kind of wording.

And I'm afraid your subsequent note doesn't really excuse it. You never should've included such wording in your post in the first place. I wonder what a moderator would think of this.
 

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s69-5 said:
You guys do realize that guns function in the same argument, only better. They actually shoot...
Yes, but Japanese men are short and weedy and certain areas are dictated by proportion relative to the rst of your body, they need to feel BIG and STRONG.

Gun fit much better to the American stereotype, which explains a few things.

PS, Gunblade.
 

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SlowShootinPete said:
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I'm very sorry. I know you like to debate but I've already said what I wanted to say and I have no interest in debating the matter any further.
You keep responding, though.
True enough. But that ends now.