Why the hate for Mojang?

[WarHamster40K]

See, I'm torn on this whole thing. On one hand, I'm impressed by the level of creativity shown by people using the world to build (space ships, functioning computers, movie/VG homages, etc.). On the other hand, as others have said, it's not a finished product. I initially thought it was going after the aesthetic of 3D Dot Game Heroes, which is amusing in a retro way. A company with only two unfinished games in its roster, even with an impressively open-ended engine, is not one I would vote for (and I didn't).

My final four were BioWare (SWKo)tOR, Mass Effect, Dragon Age), Blizzard (StarCraft, WoW, Diablo), Epic Games(Unreal, Age of Wonders, Gears of War, Bulletstorm) and Valve (Half-Life, Counter-Strike, Portal, Team Fortress 2). Considering how many of them felt to me like confident choices for best developer, I would have been happy if any of them won. It's not that I particularly dislike MojangAB or MineCraft. I'm all for seeing an underdog, but that's where I realize I should've rethought my voting process. Many people voted with many different criteria. I was voting based on how the company did as a whole, not necessarily the last year.

In any case, that's why I feel this way about Mojang. It's not hate. It's more like "persistent surprise".

(And yes, I know I'm in last place. I don't think it's best to ask me about my Oscar picks, either. =P )

 

[MaxwellEdison]

I don't even know what March Madness is, so I dunno. I do wish my wolf would be better at following me though.

 

[Blood Countess]

um didn't I just post to a thread with this title last night?

ot, I don't hate them but got no desire to play their single game personally

 

[Krion_Vark]

Its because Mojang hasn't even finished a single game. Minecraft is an unfinished buggy product, compared to the fact that valve revolutionized the FPS genre as a whole.

I thought that title belonged to Bungie since they introduced the trigger button on the controller as the firing of the gun button in Halo: CE or is that jsut for the console FPSes?

Half life was the first game to have an in depth story as it did. Half life 2 introduced advanced physics. Team Fortress 2 revolutionized team based shooters. Not to mention all the mods that were made on their engines.

In-depth story is definitely up for debate since I really don't think the Half-Life story goes far from experiment gone wrong enemies show up kill enemies. Which still stems from every other game that has any semblence of a story.
Half-Life 2 having advanced physics I give you that but it didn't really do much with it besides giving you the gravity gun.
TF 2 revolutionizing team based shooters? Please tell me how exactly that works out. (And if you start talking about the DLC for it I have not played it on the PC yet but it is on my to get list)

 

[ihazawii]

Its because Mojang hasn't even finished a single game. Minecraft is an unfinished buggy product, compared to the fact that valve revolutionized the FPS genre as a whole.

I thought that title belonged to Bungie since they introduced the trigger button on the controller as the firing of the gun button in Halo: CE or is that jsut for the console FPSes?

Half life was the first game to have an in depth story as it did. Half life 2 introduced advanced physics. Team Fortress 2 revolutionized team based shooters. Not to mention all the mods that were made on their engines.

In-depth story is definitely up for debate since I really don't think the Half-Life story goes far from experiment gone wrong enemies show up kill enemies. Which still stems from every other game that has any semblence of a story.
Half-Life 2 having advanced physics I give you that but it didn't really do much with it besides giving you the gravity gun.
TF 2 revolutionizing team based shooters? Please tell me how exactly that works out. (And if you start talking about the DLC for it I have not played it on the PC yet but it is on my to get list)

Shooters went from text based stories of marathon to fully voiced in half life, and the story was deep at the time. Team fortress 2 had a very balanced class system. And having so many different classes in a shooter was much larger than the standard game. And yes the modding ability was amazing. Games like Battlefield or halo couldn't be modded at all. Having such advanced modding tools available to a multilayer shooter was amazing.

 

[Wing Dairu]

The reason I feel that way is because Mojang has a library of ONE game. ONE. Sure, it's a solid-gold wonder, but how do we know every game's gonna be like that? For all we know, Notch could be a one-hit wonder.
Nintendo on the other hand, has a fairly solid reputation for quality first-party titles.
And Valve? Well...Valve has never put out a bad game. EVER. EVERYTHING THEY TOUCH SO FAR HAS TURNED TO GOLD.

 

[ZeZZZZevy]

I'm still waiting for Minecraft to have some sort of actual storyline. Or motivation, other than what the player wants out of it. Doing your own thing is fun and all, but I'd be much more impressed with the game if there was a bit more direction. I don't hate Minecraft, I'm just going to be fairly unimpressed with it until it's finished.

 

[Okysho]

Didn't we have this exact same thread two days ago?

I swear it was yesterday... This is getting old...

 

[floppylobster]

Just wondering why i keep reading about people hating mojang for beating valve and saying that they 'shouldnt' have beaten Nintendo and Valve. My question is why shouldnt they? The people who voted for Mojang probably believed that in the past year Mojang's acheivement was more impressive than what Valve did in the past year. Now, while Steam is awesome, I dont recall anything in the last year that Valve did that had as much of an impact as Minecraft did. Its not even finished yet and it still made a ton of cash. (my bet is that it never will be finished. but thats a whole different story)I mean hooray for Portal 2 coming out and hooray for half life 2 episode 2 and hopefully a third that will hopefully be released before i die, but is it really fair to count the entire breadth of a studio's career in a yearly contest?

I notice you've only put up Valve's 2010 games as evidence in this trial. I wish to add to the court record Nintendo's 2010-2011 release schedule and submit it for comparison against Mojang's output. Case closed. Damages awarded in favour of Nintendo. Hypothetical argument over who should have won between Nintendo and Valve starts here -->

 

[odd function]

Just wondering why i keep reading about people hating mojang for beating valve and saying that they 'shouldnt' have beaten Nintendo and Valve. My question is why shouldnt they? The people who voted for Mojang probably believed that in the past year Mojang's acheivement was more impressive than what Valve did in the past year. Now, while Steam is awesome, I dont recall anything in the last year that Valve did that had as much of an impact as Minecraft did. Its not even finished yet and it still made a ton of cash. (my bet is that it never will be finished. but thats a whole different story)I mean hooray for Portal 2 coming out and hooray for half life 2 episode 2 and hopefully a third that will hopefully be released before i die, but is it really fair to count the entire breadth of a studio's career in a yearly contest?

I notice you've only put up Valve's 2010 games as evidence in this trial. I wish to add to the court record Nintendo's 2010-2011 release schedule and submit it for comparison against Mojang's output. Case closed. Damages awarded in favour of Nintendo. Hypothetical argument over who should have won between Nintendo and Valve starts here -->

Can't be counted if they aren't played. Don't own a Wii or a DS, you can't honestly vote for Nintendo. Also having played some of those releases, Nintendo is unimpressive compared to Mojang when it comes to new/different/innovative/cheap/awesome. It's a quality vs quantity thing. My favorite recent games from Nintendo are LoZ:TP, SSMBB, and SM:G and collectively and individually they comeup short when compared to Minecraft while still being so old they shouldn't be considered for a yearly pole.

Its because Mojang hasn't even finished a single game. Minecraft is an unfinished buggy product, compared to the fact that valve revolutionized the FPS genre as a whole.

As compared to the unfinished buggy products that are sold to us for $60. As for Valve, if they cared, they wouldn't be resting on their laurels (said weeks before the release of Portal 2 ).

 

[odd function]

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[Hexenwolf]

Its because Mojang hasn't even finished a single game. Minecraft is an unfinished buggy product, compared to the fact that valve revolutionized the FPS genre as a whole.

A lot of people here are only going by what developers have done this year. In fact, that's mostly what the OP talks about. And Minecraft is unfinished and buggy because it's still in Beta. If it was already released as a full game then complaining about it would make sense, but it hasn't been. It's completely clear that it's a Beta. Betas are not finished products.

That is not supporting the case for Mojang. He should win for a beta? How does that make sense. And no, you don't get to cut it slack for being a beta (oh it's ok that it has bugs). If you're going to play the "only count things they did this year" then you have to compare the things they did this year evenly. That means nintendo did very little, Mojang released a buggy yet fun beta, and Blizzard had two critically and publicly lauded triple A releases (SC II and Cataclysm).

Hmmm...

 

[snowpuppy]

Nintendo does nothing new it sticks with its stale(some of which are very good) little franchises nothing else thats why i voted against mojang in the last two, It could be minecraft is the only good thing it will ever make, biowre....KOTOR man KOTOR.

 

[floppylobster]

Just wondering why i keep reading about people hating mojang for beating valve and saying that they 'shouldnt' have beaten Nintendo and Valve. My question is why shouldnt they? The people who voted for Mojang probably believed that in the past year Mojang's acheivement was more impressive than what Valve did in the past year. Now, while Steam is awesome, I dont recall anything in the last year that Valve did that had as much of an impact as Minecraft did. Its not even finished yet and it still made a ton of cash. (my bet is that it never will be finished. but thats a whole different story)I mean hooray for Portal 2 coming out and hooray for half life 2 episode 2 and hopefully a third that will hopefully be released before i die, but is it really fair to count the entire breadth of a studio's career in a yearly contest?

I notice you've only put up Valve's 2010 games as evidence in this trial. I wish to add to the court record Nintendo's 2010-2011 release schedule and submit it for comparison against Mojang's output. Case closed. Damages awarded in favour of Nintendo. Hypothetical argument over who should have won between Nintendo and Valve starts here -->

Can't be counted if they aren't played. Don't own a Wii or a DS, you can't honestly vote for Nintendo. Also having played some of those releases, Nintendo is unimpressive compared to Mojang when it comes to new/different/innovative/cheap/awesome. It's a quality vs quantity thing. My favorite recent games from Nintendo are LoZ:TP, SSMBB, and SM:G and collectively and individually they comeup short when compared to Minecraft while still being so old they shouldn't be considered for a yearly pole.

Well I didn't play Minecraft so we're even. But perhaps you could describe the gameplay to me? I'm quite interested to hear how new, different and innovative it is.

 

[Specks88]

Minecraft is something new and different in a world of FPS and RPGs...yeah, it might be a buggy beta, but it's a buggy beta that has sold over a million purchases at what, 20-25 bucks a pop? and when you split that between 10 guys, minus dev costs which are significantly low compared to going for console development, that's at least a million per person. Cash. with that many zeros, I don't think Mojang really cares if you disagree. Personally I think that it's a fun kill-time game that has replay value up the wazoo. Unlike most games that have no addicting multiplayer. Yeah, I get bored with it sometimes, and break out another game for awhile, but I can say I play Minecraft AT LEAST once a week. I can't say the same for any other developer game, other than CoD or Pokemon White. But then, I bought Minecraft in Alpha, cause I liked the concept.

But, long story short, Minecraft is basically a new face in a sea of the same old crap. And to see a game made with poor graphics (in comparison with, well, ANY game short of Pong) take off and gain the support it has, well, I gotta go for the underdog. Yeah, Bioware/Valve have had alot of good games, and have really contributed to where things are now in the gaming world, but even they had to start somewhere, right? Mojang might completely revolutionize some genre in the future, maybe donating the random world generation to a new WoW or CoD (donating = selling for an embarrassing profit)

and sometimes, it's nice to not have to throw 60 bucks at a game, be disappointed, and then have to blow ANOTHER 60 bucks on a sequal/expansion that's basically everything the FIRST game should have had. Minecraft might not be complete, but updates are free, and when it IS finished, full versions for everybody! who bought, that is...




As far as popularity...ppl might say CoD is overrated, and not worth the fame it's given. I say that the bestselling game of ALL TIME (even better than Wii Sports) would differ...it's only what, 600 MILLION dollars, or more?

 

[brodie21]

Just wondering why i keep reading about people hating mojang for beating valve and saying that they 'shouldnt' have beaten Nintendo and Valve. My question is why shouldnt they? The people who voted for Mojang probably believed that in the past year Mojang's acheivement was more impressive than what Valve did in the past year. Now, while Steam is awesome, I dont recall anything in the last year that Valve did that had as much of an impact as Minecraft did. Its not even finished yet and it still made a ton of cash. (my bet is that it never will be finished. but thats a whole different story)I mean hooray for Portal 2 coming out and hooray for half life 2 episode 2 and hopefully a third that will hopefully be released before i die, but is it really fair to count the entire breadth of a studio's career in a yearly contest?

I notice you've only put up Valve's 2010 games as evidence in this trial. I wish to add to the court record Nintendo's 2010-2011 release schedule and submit it for comparison against Mojang's output. Case closed. Damages awarded in favour of Nintendo. Hypothetical argument over who should have won between Nintendo and Valve starts here -->

i said portal 2. and that is the extent of my knowledge of valve games coming out 2010-2011

 

[Wondermint13]

It's the 'Britney Spears' theory again. I have written this before but I'll explain again.
When something new and fresh comes out that is hard to dislike in any way, it naturally gains and early start in success, leaving people to wonder why something so new can replace the things we have known and loved alot longer. So in Britney Spear's case, She grew to fame and power too soon and suddenly it was on every radio or kids walkman and within a few days we're sick of it. So the media steps in and starts picking, 'Bad hair day' 'Drunken night out' 'Fat!!' anything to make it seem less magnificent so that 'haters' have a reason to live (and buy the magazine). And now she is more the end of a joke or bad artical than the gleaming and beautiful success that she started out to be, with only a few million fans left to buy her albums and see her live.
With Mojang (or more importantly the only real success it has, Minecraft) It's been rubbed in people faces too much too soon so people as a community start to strike back with dislike and comments in the hope to bring down a greater power that has grown out of control.

 

[Krion_Vark]

Its because Mojang hasn't even finished a single game. Minecraft is an unfinished buggy product, compared to the fact that valve revolutionized the FPS genre as a whole.

I thought that title belonged to Bungie since they introduced the trigger button on the controller as the firing of the gun button in Halo: CE or is that jsut for the console FPSes?

Half life: 90s.
Halo: 2000s.

Halo ripped off many things from Half Life, and passed as "innovative" to the consoles.

And I will ask the same question to you I asked someone else who was also very vague WHAT were those INNOVATIONS?