Why the hate towards retake mass effect? All I see is hate.

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thememan

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Dark Knifer said:
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*Has not been in for a while*

Could somebody give me the cliffnotes to this please?
Basically, fans are really pissed off for the ending of Mass effect 3 due to its several plot holes, lack of any closure and rushed apperance, most game journalists are calling mass effect fans entitled, some fans are being reasonable, others are saying it ruins the entire franchise etc. Kinda like the last sequel bioware released...
Recently, I had a rather interesting realization. The massive reaction coming from the major "jouranlists" (I use the term loosely, and I will get to that) has absolutely nothing to do with the merits of ME3, or how they perceive the merits of ME3. Rather, it is a defense of their own reputations and their own merits. How do I mean this? Well, there is obviously a massive disjunction between the fans and major reviewers. Due to this, a very large amount of questions have been asked and brought light of the reviewing process. Now, I'm not saying that all of these raised questions have merit, but most certainly some do. This has created a bit of a backlash against the reviewing process as a whole, and the integrity of the reviewers and journalists themselves. So really, what we are seeing is *not* a defense of Bioware per se, but rather a defense of the reviewers themselves.

That said, this brings another issue to front. I hardly view any of the reviewers as being critical in the least. If they had, they would have pointed out the many flaws ME3 has, from it's broken journal system, to it's repetitive gameplay, to the tacked on and pointless side-mission system that does nothing but create a facade of length, to the ridiculously short amount of time it takes to actually play the game (I clocked it in at just under 12 hours, with very little of substance to do within the game to lengthen this). The point is, there are a number of glaring flaws that were overlooked. The shallow and meaningless defense of their "perfect scores" exemplifies this. ME3 is a functional game, but hardly anything more than that.

Compare this with major film reviewers. A major film reviewer will not give a perfect score or rating or what-have-you to a film that is merely functional. Nor will they demean those that disagree with them, regardless of how loud they are. Rather they will be quite honest about the shortcomings a film may have, and will reserve perfect scores for those films that go far beyond being merely "functional".

When you break it down, this is why videogames fail miserably as art. The reviewers, who are supposed to be critical about the given subject, fail at doing so. And when they fail at doing so, rather than providing any more substance to their argument they make childish attacks against those that disagree with them, in the mindset of "The fans are being whiny children, which means we can also."

However, fans are not held to any standard as such. They don't need to be critical, nor do they need to provide substance for their argument. If they do, more power to them. But they are not required to do so by any stretch of the imagination, nor should they be expected to. As an audience and consumer of a given subject, they are merely allowed to do whatever they damn well please. Reviewers, however, need to be held to a much higher standard. Their entire purpose is to be critical of the subject matter, and approach it substantively. And yet, as the whole ME3 debacle has shown, they are completely incapable of doing so.

Really, regardless of what the fans say, the reviewers and "journalists" are completely out of place for calling them entitled, or any such nonsense. Their place is to be critical of the industry itself, critical of the subject matter. The fact that they are not, and instead resort to childish attacks on the fans, proves that they are not. They have no substance for their arguments, and are incapable of backing their opinions with merit. And in an effort to defend their flimsy reputation, they essentially label detractors as being childish.
 

thememan

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JediMB said:
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Arguably, the group of fans with the most reason to complain are still Star Wars fans. They waited all those years for the prequel films, and what they got just wasn't up to scratch. The rage is all very understandable, but that doesn't make it any less annoying for people who aren't fans.
I always find this highly amusing, because I'm a Star Wars fan who didn't rage about the prequels, a Dragon Age fan who didn't rage about the changes in the sequel (although the final act was especially messy), and a Mass Effect fan who... yeah.

I'm usually able to find enjoyment even in terribly flawed products, and rationalize away continuity and lore issues, but with Mass Effect 3 things are different.
I would say that ME3 is different not because of anything substantively different with ME3 itself, but rather the extremely condescending response from the gaming media as a whole as well as Bioware itself. Both have done nothing but demean the detractors completely, and have done absolutely nothing to bridge the gap. Even Lucas didn't give as much of a middle finger to the fans for some of his shenanigans. He just said "Deal with it", more or less. And the media poked a bit of fun at the loud types, but they didn't have such an organized attempt at completely ostracizing them. Really, the thing that I find most appalling about this entire debacle is the absolutely pompous attitude that has been coming from the video game media outlets and Bioware. It seems that they have the viewpoint that the only way you can say anything about the subject is if you are on the "Inside", and every one else effectively doesn't matter. Or that the voiced opinions of those outside of the inner circle are meaningless, and shouldn't even be given a chance to be heard.

In essence, they have taken the "Asshole Artist" shtic and ran with it. The argument really is that videogames should only be made with reviewers and the developers in mind, screw the players. Anything to appeals to the actual fans is not worthy of the time of day. Which is a load of crap.
 

zefiris

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It's pretty obvious that a lot of the outcry against "Retake Mass Effect" is EA viral people scrambling to save their company's hide. Pretty typical stuff. EA has a lot of those people, like many companies do.

The massive reaction coming from the major "jouranlists" (I use the term loosely, and I will get to that) has absolutely nothing to do with the merits of ME3, or how they perceive the merits of ME3. Rather, it is a defense of their own reputations and their own merits.
Yeah, I completely agree. Many of them haven't even *READ* what retake is about. They know that it disagrees with them, and that's enough for bashing using the usual industry arguments ("entitled" etc)

Keep in mind I'm not even IN the retake thing, as I never bought ME3 - yet I was able to know what the movement is about. I think it's interesting how many journalist fail this even on a basic level.
 

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zefiris said:
It's pretty obvious that a lot of the outcry against "Retake Mass Effect" is EA viral people scrambling to save their company's hide. Pretty typical stuff. EA has a lot of those people, like many companies do.

The massive reaction coming from the major "jouranlists" (I use the term loosely, and I will get to that) has absolutely nothing to do with the merits of ME3, or how they perceive the merits of ME3. Rather, it is a defense of their own reputations and their own merits.
Yeah, I completely agree. Many of them haven't even *READ* what retake is about. They know that it disagrees with them, and that's enough for bashing using the usual industry arguments ("entitled" etc)

Keep in mind I'm not even IN the retake thing, as I never bought ME3 - yet I was able to know what the movement is about. I think it's interesting how many journalist fail this even on a basic level.
The entire debacle is an industry wide embarrassment. Keep in mind I'm not much of a ME fan, and although I enjoyed the first two games of the series, I found them lacking and not really that terribly engaging. But frankly I find it both extremely interesting and aggravating the industry's rather shallow and ignorant response to those that do care about the franchise. It seems as nothing more than a shallow attempt at defending their reputations, rather than defending their opinions.