Why the hype with Final Fantasy?

[2xDouble]

You know what... We could go on all day debating the merits and misconceptions about Final Fantasy, and in the end, where will we all be? Pissed off at each other, that's where.

I'll just link to Gametrailers.com's Retrospective [http://www.gametrailers.com/game/the-final-fantasy-retrospective/4831]. **Contains massive spoilers for the entirety of Final Fantasy at the time it was made, in 2007.** Listen, pay attention, and be prepared to lose a couple hours exploring what Final Fantasy really is.

And after that, quitcherbitchin. So you didn't like something that's inexplicably (to you) popular. Get over it.

 

[Akalistos]

I think you've figured out by now from my last two posts that I'm done arguing over our two versions of the game. (As they MUST be completely different translations. XD) But, I will point out something.

It's been stated by Word of God and most story-analyzing reviewers, and myself, agree that Vaan is not the main character. Princess Ashe is. And while I thought that XII was a piece of tripe all over, this is a very hard story-telling aspect that they actually pulled off...pretty decently. FFX did this much better. Yuna is obviously the main character, but the story is just told through Tidus.

No, i disagree with you here. I'm pretty much aware that it's Ashe story the moment Vaan lay eyes on Bash and forgive him, Making the revenge subplot kinda stupid and pointless. On the other hand, Tidus KEEP PULLING the rug under Yuda by stating no less then 10 times:"This is my story!"

 

[Koroviev]

Nothing. Nothing at all. Compared to Persona, Final Fantasy is crap. The only thing is FF is one of the few JRPG franchises still alive.

i can't stand the appeal of Persona games as i don't like random dungeon generator in single player RPGs. Maybe it is just me, but Tartarus is the most lazy random dungeon utilized just to pad game length ~_~ . I absolutely cannot see how so many lauded it as game of the year.

I've put hours and hours into P3P, but this is a completely valid point. And to explain, the only reason I am personally willing to suffer through the monotonous dungeons is because the game wags a giant carrot at me shaped like an ancient samurai capable of quashing all my enemies, or something similar of that nature. The thing is that dungeon crawling is fairly easy and straightforward, thus appealing to my primitive rewards system. In other words, I do rudimentary work that requires minimal cognitive skill = I level up enough to have a shiny new monster...with which do more dungeon grinding...but hey, it's faster now!

You know what, screw it. It's just a crack addiction, plain and simple.

 

[Akalistos]

Hello dear Escapists. Please explain why Final Fantasy are good games. Because, you see, I have played a few of the FF titles, I've even gone through the trouble of beating FF VII, which I was told, was oh so special, and you know what? I don't get it. The main character is almost always annoying and stupid, the dialogues are lame (ok, maybe bad translation on older games is to be blames), the story is always mostly the same and everything in general is ridiculously naive. I can only compliment the art style and the music, which are pretty good - but that ain't the main parts of an rpg.

And what the hell is the big deal with aeris's death? Good riddance!
Meh, for me the characters are too underdeveloped to care about them.

So tell me, why do you like Final Fantasy games? What's so special about them?

O_O Hahahahahahhahaha!

To get on topic. Why something is hyped and why it's good/enjoyed are different things.

First of all, everyone has different taste, and just because someone likes FF, doesn't mean they like ALL the FF's! I love 6 and 7, but 12 13 are disgusting to me! It's about the little things.

The one you played, 7, will always be a milestone and a big deal for 2 reasons. First, it was one of the first RPG's that were in 3D, which was pretty cool. Second, it was the FF that made the series mainstream.

Speaking of which, most fans of 7 were fans of it when it first came out. And just like it being 3D was a big deal back in the day, most of the stuff you saw as no biggie were as well, such as Aeris/Aerith's death, cut scenes, the story, etc.

Personally, I still love the environment and story of FF7. While a lot of them share similarities, it's no more than BioWare games do. If anything, FF7 is special because it probably has the most filled out environment. There's a LOT of background stuff they try and cram in there to explain how things work, from the planet to mako to engines. And while most people find it obnoxious, I'm a text-whore, so it's for me.

Not so much the characters, but they all helped me get through a crappy time in my life, and thus, I'm a proponent for competent remake, etc. As such, Cloud and Sephiroth will always have soft spots in my heart.

Glad you liked the art and music, that's always something that FF delivers on.

As for gameplay, again, it's all about taste. I wish I could see more turn-based stuff on today's market, but no such luck. But, I'm cool with it. I'm pretty vast in my tastes when it comes to gaming.

Overall, I love the older FF's, ironically til 8, where things got so convoluted, it disappeared up it's own ass. Though, 10 is an exception.

As far as hype goes, you should never follow hype. Be excited about it, but there's always hype about everything, and it you let it catch you, you will only become disappointed in the end...

Part 4) Aeris's (???) death.

She's the one I can't understand. She join the party for no other reason that they told her Sephiroth is evil. Ok, she does see the body of the president impaled but she knew he deserved it. By the way, i can't understand why she's so eager to believe Cloud...except the obvious reason to see if the Sword hide anything. There's no point where she doubt anything. She just follow along. Well, i supposed they needed her down the line to find the promised land... What? THere's not a promised land but and they refer to returning to the planet. Well, doesn't that mean they never really needed her?

The only usefull thing she does is sacrificed herself to cast holy. During the whole game, they make a point of telling that any soul go back to the planet. Then, in a shocking twist that i saw coming since I met her, the only way to cast holy his to bring that plea to the planet. That make Sephiroth the one that did himself and not Cloud. Imagine a Bond villain that would cuff himself up when he see him at the door of his forteress filled with 5000 guards armed to the teeth. That's how i feel about the whole premise. What happen during what gamer call the saddest moment in gaming history, when you look at it closely, make that scene look like a dark sketch by the 3 stooges. She get impale through the chest... at a Inch below the chest. Meaning, He just punctured her stomach. She then fall unconscious (death by any description of the game) Afterward she is taken outside where Cloud put her Unconscious (death Yadi,yadi,yada) In the water. I'm not a doctor but doesn't a ruptured stomach can be heal. I could listen to that scene without hearing Sonic's Drowing bit. Why not hit her actual heart? In that regard, isn't Cloud the real murderer?

That plus Cloud reminds Aerith very much of the love she never found out about, Zack...

Anyway, yeah, I'm done here. It's been fun calling up every source and cutscene from Youtube I could combat you with...but...I can't do it anymore. I DO NOT CONCEDE DEFEAT. However, it's pointless to brawl this out any longer.

PS. While the sword is long, it's very thin, and people suffer wounds from things like that all the time and survive. Even anatomy experts call that Aerith should have survived that...

Anyway, good show. I had fun pulling my hair out. Imma' go play Reach. Taddy-Bye.

I always enjoy a good chat... specially on thing like that. I don't concede defeat either. Let's just say it was like the Truce of Christmas of 1914 In which both side spent time learning about each other.

 

[WorldCritic]

I don't really see the point in explaining. Some people like them some people don't. You clearly don't like them and nothing I say is going to change that.

 

[2xDouble]

WAT!? PART 2

No...just...no...

What you're saying most of the time isn't even a THING. Hojo knew Jenova was NOT an Ancient by the time Nibelhiem burned, and perhaps even before that. Thus, why and how he developed his Reunion Theory. And the only reason he injected himself with the cells was to witness his theory first-hand. Even says in DoC that he didn't expect to go all BRAH!

I'm not even going to sift through the shite you've been saying anymore. Anyone who has access to a Wiki-page can tell your posts are full of garbage.

Just to ask...how long ago was it since you've played this?

Basically, you are just throwing me stuff from game that aren't made from the same team from the first one and weren't thought as a full story before FF7 was in production: AKA company endorsed Fan-Fiction? Your love for that series is legendary but you got to admit, it's a pretty weak argument. It's like saying the Fan-Fiction CLOUD MOW THE LAWN as Cannon.

Spoiler: This is Cannon, isn't it?

 

[Koroviev]

I don't really see the point in explaining. Some people like them some people don't. You clearly don't like them and nothing I say is going to change that.

That's not necessarily true. Explaining why you like them can sway others to give a game a second chance. I have not personally enjoyed a Final Fantasy game, but if you could identify some things I may have overlooked in my ignorance, then maybe I would consider giving it another go. Also, I haven't played anything newer than FF-10 or whatever. And for the record, I did enjoy Crisis Core, but that probably doesn't count.

 

[Akalistos]

WAT!? PART 2

No...just...no...

What you're saying most of the time isn't even a THING. Hojo knew Jenova was NOT an Ancient by the time Nibelhiem burned, and perhaps even before that. Thus, why and how he developed his Reunion Theory. And the only reason he injected himself with the cells was to witness his theory first-hand. Even says in DoC that he didn't expect to go all BRAH!

I'm not even going to sift through the shite you've been saying anymore. Anyone who has access to a Wiki-page can tell your posts are full of garbage.

Just to ask...how long ago was it since you've played this?

Basically, you are just throwing me stuff from game that aren't made from the same team from the first one and weren't thought as a full story before FF7 was in production: AKA company endorsed Fan-Fiction? Your love for that series is legendary but you got to admit, it's a pretty weak argument. It's like saying the Fan-Fiction CLOUD MOW THE LAWN as Cannon.

Spoiler: This is Cannon, isn't it?

Well if Dirge of Cerberus is, it might as well be. Nice find.

 

[k-ossuburb]

Hahaha! Oh man, I love these kinds of threads. Final Fantasy is one of those holy grail games that you can never criticize for fear of the severe flame war that will ensue if you even attempt to point out its many flaws. It's the same with any other game considered to be great; Halo, Portal, Silent Hill, Resident Evil, Half Life, Castlevania, whatever. Every game has flaws and everyone has their own tastes as to what a great game makes.

I could argue that Final Fantasy is a drudging snooze-fest where more focus is on the cutscenes than the gameplay and the demo of FF XIV shown at PAX had nothing on Guild Wars 2; in return I will be met with the same counter arguments that (my personal favourite franchise) Silent Hill is badly voiced, has horrible controls and peaked at SH 2. They can also point out that, in the hands of western developers, it's been mishandled and has had all the disturbing psychological horror sucked out of it in favour of jump scares and that god-awful combat system in Homecoming that put way too much focus on combat when SH 1 through to 4 did perfectly fine without it.

I could go on about the flaws in Halo, in Half Life and whatever other franchise people have fallen in love with. The thing is, I know that Silent Hill isn't as great as everyone says it is, but I love it regardless. My idea of how a game should work isn't compatible with the way Final Fantasy fans think a game should work. I can see the appeal, but that doesn't mean it has to appeal to me.

That's all I really need to say on the matter. TL;DR: to each their own. Let it be.