Why the hype with Final Fantasy?

[Akalistos]

I'M making a list about it. Just look at my profile and check the post. I'm at part 4 now.

Dont forget to mention the androgynous effeminate emo characters and the half man half monkeyboys and pink marshmellow catfrogs who accompany you on your quest to defeat the evil power oh! ^_^

What!?!?! Man, i don't know what drug induce trip you took to make that reply but BY GOD would I wish to try.

think he's talking about FFIX.

Why did he pull that from his ass?

 

[Akalistos]

you don't get it. End of story. stop making us justify why we like it.

Maybe there's nothing to get. Have you ever thought about this one.

my post applies to you too.

Why? Why is it a problem that people doesn't like it? Why can't you see that maybe you are wrong and still love it? It's a possibility and you can't really call bullshit on it.

Dude, chill, it's a game, and it's less about right and wrong and more about taste in games. That's what he's saying, now don't be a troll, and take a breather.

*read your first post*
There's absolutly no mention of taste. For that matter, you just imply there's only one answer (aka: making your "no right and wrong" argument moot.) and it's to love it. END OF STORY (if i can stole that from your very first post)

BTW: Sarcasm is all in the tone of voice... it doesn't work with just word on a forum post. Well at least if you don't blow it out of proportion. Which you didn't.

you don't get it. End of story. stop making us justify why we like it.

It doesn't have to be spelled out, it's pretty much summed up here in the meanest way possible, but, hey, your the one ranting like a moron who didn't play the game. BTW you forgot to describe Barret's character flaws.

Fanboy Fan-Rage activated.

He got a special segment... don't you worry.

At least you have some humor about it, there are some, errors in the way your describing the game (Aeris didn't cast Holy to be sacrificed, she cast it to stop it and she failed(she was the last of her kind and she was the only threat at that time to Sephiroth)), but, hey I think you are on one hell of cafe late. For the most part, you are some where in the ball park I just can't figure out if you played too many games in between and forgot the story exactly or just skimmed the text.

At that point, None of the party knew that they require a sacrifice to activate Holy. They just thought, and Aeris too, that kneeling and praying would do the job.

And no, i played through it recently and I didn't skimmed it. Those flaws went under the radar when I played that game 6 years ago and thought it was the best thing ever. Now that nostalgia have put it at the top, I think it easier to see each flaws in the game. Tho I must say that the combat was the best there ever was for the series.

 

[Akalistos]

you don't get it. End of story. stop making us justify why we like it.

Maybe there's nothing to get. Have you ever thought about this one.

my post applies to you too.

Why? Why is it a problem that people doesn't like it? Why can't you see that maybe you are wrong and still love it? It's a possibility and you can't really call bullshit on it.

Maybe there is no right and wrong between people. Maybe some people just like it, and some people don't, and that's really all there is to it. Not everything is so black and white, sometimes we just have to deal with those shades of fucking grey.

That's the meaning of my post. You should have read all of his post before commenting tho:

Now where did I say that it was a problem not to like it? my problem is with these threads and trying to answer the impossible question. I like it. you don't. move on. there is nothing about 'being wrong' involved with this (which is subjective to begin with).

EDIT

@ Blind Sight.

Wasn't meant to be hate fueled, just got caught on a short temper day.

 

[Nieroshai]

We like it, you hate it, leave it at that. You like different things out of your JRPGs than we do.

 

[SixWingedAsura]

I loved Final Fantasy for the storylines that were grandiose and complex.

Note that I said "loved" as in past tense.

The gameplay of late has been turning me off and the storylines have been getting more and more bland and cliched. FF9 still has to be my favorite as the hero is in no way Emo (well, maybe for a VERY tiny part towards the end) and is extremely likable and the characters are funny and memorable. Oh and Vivi. Can't forget him. :3

 

[Theninja'skatana]

God forbid someone's opinion differs from your own. Since you're already clearly biased and dislike the franchise, why should I waste my breath telling you why I'm a fan? Chances are you will refute everything I say and try to further state your claims, since this is the internet.

you sir, have solved the hate forum!

 

[burningdragoon]

If you don't like it that's fine. Is it really hard to understand that people like certain things. I can't remember a game I've played and couldn't understand how someone could like it.

Why do I like it? Well I like the characters in most of them, especially the older ones. Three of my of favorite video game characters of all time are from Final Fantasy. I enjoyed the stories, the style, the music, etc. Are they the greatest games ever? Of course not. Really, I don't see a reason to get into more than that, since that is about as deep as the insults you gave them were. Also, saying "the stories are mostly the same" is just a bad argument, which is not to say it isn't true. All stories are the same if you simplify them enough.

Well, its been around just as long as Zelda, Mario, and Metroid, and still puts out installments, and has a pretty decent fanbase.

Wow, the series must be older then some of the people on the board, now that I think about it.

Who else feels old?

I'm older than Final Fantasy by one day. So yes, I feel a little bit old now, thank you >.>

 

[DMonkey]

If you don't like it that's fine. Is it really hard to understand that people like certain things. I can't remember a game I've played and couldn't understand how someone could like it.

Why do I like it? Well I like the characters in most of them, especially the older ones. Three of my of favorite video game characters of all time are from Final Fantasy. I enjoyed the stories, the style, the music, etc. Are they the greatest games ever? Of course not. Really, I don't see a reason to get into more than that, since that is about as deep as the insults you gave them were. Also, saying "the stories are mostly the same" is just a bad argument, which is not to say it isn't true. All stories are the same if you simplify them enough.

Well, its been around just as long as Zelda, Mario, and Metroid, and still puts out installments, and has a pretty decent fanbase.

Wow, the series must be older then some of the people on the board, now that I think about it.

Who else feels old?

I'm older than Final Fantasy by one day. So yes, I feel a little bit old now, thank you >.>

By one day? Oh god, now I feel REALLY old. I got it for Christmas when I was around 9 or 10.
Took my brothers and I a month to beat it. Still my favorite in the series (right behind 7, in my opinion, was one of those pioneer games that helped make video games as popular as they are today. 8 was also pretty good, can't get into the others). Don't feel old, my friend. I'll sympathize when you get some gray, but till then enjoy those delicious college girls!

Apologize to those who took dates to play Pacman at arcades. Don't break a hip telling to get off your lawn.

 

[theSovietConnection]

you don't get it. End of story. stop making us justify why we like it.

Maybe there's nothing to get. Have you ever thought about this one.

my post applies to you too.

Why? Why is it a problem that people doesn't like it? Why can't you see that maybe you are wrong and still love it? It's a possibility and you can't really call bullshit on it.

Maybe there is no right and wrong between people. Maybe some people just like it, and some people don't, and that's really all there is to it. Not everything is so black and white, sometimes we just have to deal with those shades of fucking grey.

That's the meaning of my post. You should have read all of his post before commenting tho:

I did. All I got from it was that he's tired of people making him justify why he likes something. Your post at the very least implies he is in the wrong for liking something.

 

[LogicNProportion]

WAT!?

Dude...you have NO idea what you're talking about! I'm...I'm not arguing anymore? I'm stuck at believing that you're just trolling me. Someone who's played the game could NEVER be this ignorant to it's devices...

Some of the stuff you just said literally wasn't in the game at all. I saw 'Third Tube' and choked a bit.

Please...no more...

 

[LogicNProportion]

WAT!? PART 2

No...just...no...

What you're saying most of the time isn't even a THING. Hojo knew Jenova was NOT an Ancient by the time Nibelhiem burned, and perhaps even before that. Thus, why and how he developed his Reunion Theory. And the only reason he injected himself with the cells was to witness his theory first-hand. Even says in DoC that he didn't expect to go all BRAH!

I'm not even going to sift through the shite you've been saying anymore. Anyone who has access to a Wiki-page can tell your posts are full of garbage.

Just to ask...how long ago was it since you've played this?

 

[LogicNProportion]

Hello dear Escapists. Please explain why Final Fantasy are good games. Because, you see, I have played a few of the FF titles, I've even gone through the trouble of beating FF VII, which I was told, was oh so special, and you know what? I don't get it. The main character is almost always annoying and stupid, the dialogues are lame (ok, maybe bad translation on older games is to be blames), the story is always mostly the same and everything in general is ridiculously naive. I can only compliment the art style and the music, which are pretty good - but that ain't the main parts of an rpg.

And what the hell is the big deal with aeris's death? Good riddance!
Meh, for me the characters are too underdeveloped to care about them.

So tell me, why do you like Final Fantasy games? What's so special about them?

O_O Hahahahahahhahaha!

To get on topic. Why something is hyped and why it's good/enjoyed are different things.

First of all, everyone has different taste, and just because someone likes FF, doesn't mean they like ALL the FF's! I love 6 and 7, but 12 13 are disgusting to me! It's about the little things.

The one you played, 7, will always be a milestone and a big deal for 2 reasons. First, it was one of the first RPG's that were in 3D, which was pretty cool. Second, it was the FF that made the series mainstream.

Speaking of which, most fans of 7 were fans of it when it first came out. And just like it being 3D was a big deal back in the day, most of the stuff you saw as no biggie were as well, such as Aeris/Aerith's death, cut scenes, the story, etc.

Personally, I still love the environment and story of FF7. While a lot of them share similarities, it's no more than BioWare games do. If anything, FF7 is special because it probably has the most filled out environment. There's a LOT of background stuff they try and cram in there to explain how things work, from the planet to mako to engines. And while most people find it obnoxious, I'm a text-whore, so it's for me.

Not so much the characters, but they all helped me get through a crappy time in my life, and thus, I'm a proponent for competent remake, etc. As such, Cloud and Sephiroth will always have soft spots in my heart.

Glad you liked the art and music, that's always something that FF delivers on.

As for gameplay, again, it's all about taste. I wish I could see more turn-based stuff on today's market, but no such luck. But, I'm cool with it. I'm pretty vast in my tastes when it comes to gaming.

Overall, I love the older FF's, ironically til 8, where things got so convoluted, it disappeared up it's own ass. Though, 10 is an exception.

As far as hype goes, you should never follow hype. Be excited about it, but there's always hype about everything, and it you let it catch you, you will only become disappointed in the end...

3) Barret : He is the only character that have the motivation to attack Shinra. (Except for Yuffie but she doesn't do anything to correct Gongaga's situation in the end. Making her goal pointless.) His town, Wife, friends and neighbors (the midgar's one) have been killed. His best friend went on a murder spree and kill himself in a fit of madness before his eyes. He is the sole caretaker of his best friend's daughter, which she'll be in harm's way if he doesn't stop Sephiroth. Yet, the biggest problem is this: He never contribute to the plot in any way. In fact, i think that he should have been the main character but isn't du to xenophobia or something equally lame. We see for most of the game Barret doing the wallpaper in most scene. Not only does that make his backstory pointless but also make his character completely useless. People say Cath Sid or Yuffie is the most useless character but
Caith Sid: He use his robot body to fetch the Black material. Since he can't really die and all.
Yuffie: She's the best fighter in the game... if you know how to use her.

Barret is just a run of the mill Character that could have been easily been replace by Bigg or Wedge or even Jesse with no chance except the sprite. He's also the character that when through the least (if not at all) character development of them all. The whole saving the planet is just a facade as Barret use Avalanche just to get back at Shinra, his adoptive daughter be damn. In Midgar, who leave Marlene to a total stranger to care for while he goes to shinra tower? Who then ask same stranger to keep her and leave the city? City i might add surrounded by random encounter. A stranger that have absolutely no way in fighting in case the worst happen, by the way. Which lead to Marlene to be capture to force the party into blackmail by Shinra. All that lead to a unsatisfying destruction of Midgar by a weapon. Great googly mooglely, There's so much potential here that it hurt and they were too retard to use it. And I'll leave you with this question; What is worst, to try and fail or to fail to try?

Except that stuff DIDN'T happen to the others, it happened to Barret. While I agree with you (WOW) that Barret is in this mostly for self-gratification. I think the problem they did to Barret's side-plot (Dyne) is that they made it mandatory, and that they made it too early in the game. Would have been a good 'late into the middle part' side-plot.

I don't agree. They should have substituted Barret with Cloud and make him more involved. It's like in FF12 *shiver* when the main character has nothing to do with the plot at all.

Barret took the position of leader when Cloud vanished, before Cid was nominated. He otherwise was a big (literally and figuratively) cheerleader and 'action-man'. He was up for anything, which is good to have on a team.

I remember everyone arguing and he, not taking any leadership position.

Also, Marlene is never captured by Shinra. Each time she is safely hidden away by Aerith, lastly, in Kalm.

Yes, she was. At one point, you return into gold saucer to get the key to the Ancient temple. After Dio handed it over, you went to rest in the hotel. Then there's the dating plot (usually end up with Tifa... alto it's said that it's easier to get Aeris.) and went you go back with the female character (Barret included since... you know) you spot Caith Sith running with your key. The chase end up in front of the Arena in which he stop and throw the key to Tseng. They fire him until he pull his receiver and Marlene start speaking through it. Caith said he didn't want to do it but now he doesn't have the choice. He promise Marlene safety if they do like he wasn't a spy.

And I believe (if you mean worse = failure), that not trying at all is. You should always try. Never compromise in the face of adversity. This is how nature's dictation of the survival of the strongest and fittest, and how it makes those fittest.

What i meant was they didn't try with the rest of the gang but failed when they put their effort into Barret. And that's a point i agree with you... and that's why Barret had his own section.

Now, while I think that Cait Sith should have been left as an NPC, I agree with you on Yuffie. I rather liked her, and she IS damn good if you know how to use her. She can do the most damage, too.

I think you've figured out by now from my last two posts that I'm done arguing over our two versions of the game. (As they MUST be completely different translations. XD) But, I will point out something.

It's been stated by Word of God and most story-analyzing reviewers, and myself, agree that Vaan is not the main character. Princess Ashe is. And while I thought that XII was a piece of tripe all over, this is a very hard story-telling aspect that they actually pulled off...pretty decently. FFX did this much better. Yuna is obviously the main character, but the story is just told through Tidus.

 

[LogicNProportion]

Hello dear Escapists. Please explain why Final Fantasy are good games. Because, you see, I have played a few of the FF titles, I've even gone through the trouble of beating FF VII, which I was told, was oh so special, and you know what? I don't get it. The main character is almost always annoying and stupid, the dialogues are lame (ok, maybe bad translation on older games is to be blames), the story is always mostly the same and everything in general is ridiculously naive. I can only compliment the art style and the music, which are pretty good - but that ain't the main parts of an rpg.

And what the hell is the big deal with aeris's death? Good riddance!
Meh, for me the characters are too underdeveloped to care about them.

So tell me, why do you like Final Fantasy games? What's so special about them?

O_O Hahahahahahhahaha!

To get on topic. Why something is hyped and why it's good/enjoyed are different things.

First of all, everyone has different taste, and just because someone likes FF, doesn't mean they like ALL the FF's! I love 6 and 7, but 12 13 are disgusting to me! It's about the little things.

The one you played, 7, will always be a milestone and a big deal for 2 reasons. First, it was one of the first RPG's that were in 3D, which was pretty cool. Second, it was the FF that made the series mainstream.

Speaking of which, most fans of 7 were fans of it when it first came out. And just like it being 3D was a big deal back in the day, most of the stuff you saw as no biggie were as well, such as Aeris/Aerith's death, cut scenes, the story, etc.

Personally, I still love the environment and story of FF7. While a lot of them share similarities, it's no more than BioWare games do. If anything, FF7 is special because it probably has the most filled out environment. There's a LOT of background stuff they try and cram in there to explain how things work, from the planet to mako to engines. And while most people find it obnoxious, I'm a text-whore, so it's for me.

Not so much the characters, but they all helped me get through a crappy time in my life, and thus, I'm a proponent for competent remake, etc. As such, Cloud and Sephiroth will always have soft spots in my heart.

Glad you liked the art and music, that's always something that FF delivers on.

As for gameplay, again, it's all about taste. I wish I could see more turn-based stuff on today's market, but no such luck. But, I'm cool with it. I'm pretty vast in my tastes when it comes to gaming.

Overall, I love the older FF's, ironically til 8, where things got so convoluted, it disappeared up it's own ass. Though, 10 is an exception.

As far as hype goes, you should never follow hype. Be excited about it, but there's always hype about everything, and it you let it catch you, you will only become disappointed in the end...

Part 4) Aeris's (???) death.

She's the one I can't understand. She join the party for no other reason that they told her Sephiroth is evil. Ok, she does see the body of the president impaled but she knew he deserved it. By the way, i can't understand why she's so eager to believe Cloud...except the obvious reason to see if the Sword hide anything. There's no point where she doubt anything. She just follow along. Well, i supposed they needed her down the line to find the promised land... What? THere's not a promised land but and they refer to returning to the planet. Well, doesn't that mean they never really needed her?

The only usefull thing she does is sacrificed herself to cast holy. During the whole game, they make a point of telling that any soul go back to the planet. Then, in a shocking twist that i saw coming since I met her, the only way to cast holy his to bring that plea to the planet. That make Sephiroth the one that did himself and not Cloud. Imagine a Bond villain that would cuff himself up when he see him at the door of his forteress filled with 5000 guards armed to the teeth. That's how i feel about the whole premise. What happen during what gamer call the saddest moment in gaming history, when you look at it closely, make that scene look like a dark sketch by the 3 stooges. She get impale through the chest... at a Inch below the chest. Meaning, He just punctured her stomach. She then fall unconscious (death by any description of the game) Afterward she is taken outside where Cloud put her Unconscious (death Yadi,yadi,yada) In the water. I'm not a doctor but doesn't a ruptured stomach can be heal. I could listen to that scene without hearing Sonic's Drowing bit. Why not hit her actual heart? In that regard, isn't Cloud the real murderer?

That plus Cloud reminds Aerith very much of the love she never found out about, Zack...

Anyway, yeah, I'm done here. It's been fun calling up every source and cutscene from Youtube I could combat you with...but...I can't do it anymore. I DO NOT CONCEDE DEFEAT. However, it's pointless to brawl this out any longer.

PS. While the sword is long, it's very thin, and people suffer wounds from things like that all the time and survive. Even anatomy experts call that Aerith should have survived that...

Anyway, good show. I had fun pulling my hair out. Imma' go play Reach. Taddy-Bye.

 

[Akalistos]

you don't get it. End of story. stop making us justify why we like it.

Maybe there's nothing to get. Have you ever thought about this one.

my post applies to you too.

Why? Why is it a problem that people doesn't like it? Why can't you see that maybe you are wrong and still love it? It's a possibility and you can't really call bullshit on it.

Maybe there is no right and wrong between people. Maybe some people just like it, and some people don't, and that's really all there is to it. Not everything is so black and white, sometimes we just have to deal with those shades of fucking grey.

That's the meaning of my post. You should have read all of his post before commenting tho:

No, only implying that there's a dichotomy (Two Side). You either like something or don't. You can't force that no matter the END OF STORY you put on your post. I don't like it... mostly. The only thing that i like if the fighting system. If you like it, more power to you. But you won't make me love it no matter how stained your Sephiroth Love pillow is stained. (Disregard that last sentence if you don't own one yet.)

I did. All I got from it was that he's tired of people making him justify why he likes something. Your post at the very least implies he is in the wrong for liking something.

 

[Akalistos]

WAT!?

Dude...you have NO idea what you're talking about! I'm...I'm not arguing anymore? I'm stuck at believing that you're just trolling me. Someone who's played the game could NEVER be this ignorant to it's devices...

Some of the stuff you just said literally wasn't in the game at all. I saw 'Third Tube' and choked a bit.

Please...no more...

I'm not making this up. If i recall correctly (and i do), There's a flashback in which cloud and Zack are in tubes in the basement of Shinra's Mansion in Nibleheim. There's were another one and it was for Sephiroth. You should have paid more attention. It's all broken tho, meaning he ran aways at that time.

 

[Koroviev]

This.

Edit: Sorry for the double post.

 

[Koroviev]

Nothing. Nothing at all. Compared to Persona, Final Fantasy is crap. The only thing is FF is one of the few JRPG franchises still alive.

This.

 

[Akalistos]

WAT!? PART 2

No...just...no...

What you're saying most of the time isn't even a THING. Hojo knew Jenova was NOT an Ancient by the time Nibelhiem burned, and perhaps even before that. Thus, why and how he developed his Reunion Theory. And the only reason he injected himself with the cells was to witness his theory first-hand. Even says in DoC that he didn't expect to go all BRAH!

I'm not even going to sift through the shite you've been saying anymore. Anyone who has access to a Wiki-page can tell your posts are full of garbage.

Just to ask...how long ago was it since you've played this?

Basically, you are just throwing me stuff from game that aren't made from the same team from the first one and weren't thought as a full story before FF7 was in production: AKA company endorsed Fan-Fiction? Your love for that series is legendary but you got to admit, it's a pretty weak argument. It's like saying the Fan-Fiction CLOUD MOW THE LAWN as Cannon.