Why the hype with Final Fantasy?

[Ertol]

Meh I never found them to amazing, but most of them are at the very least relativly decent games (in my eyes) that are worth a good play through if you like JRPG games. Granted some people see 7 as the second coming for some reason, but it was alright. People will have different opinions...so why bother trying to project yours onto them. So you didn't like the FF games, don't play the next ones. That's pretty much all there is to it. Eventually we will get to Final Fantasy 59 The Quest to find my Keys or something and the series will die out. Until then, go play some games you do like?


Isn't FF14 an MMO or something. I know one of the new ones is going to be an MMO. My friend told me you can only complete 8 quests per every 2 days. Sort of defeats the purpose of an MMO.


Personally I found FF13 to be rather good. Not great by any means, since there was a lack of control over your entire party. But really, do you have to have towns. I mean it makes sense in the story for you to not enter towns, and towns in the other games were just an area for shops. I would have probably liked it the best if you got to control all three characters, but meh, it entertained me a good 40 ish hours.

 

[Jaranja]

No...convince ME why I should like Mass Effect 2? The shooter that calls itself an RPG.

See. Two can play the "impossible question" game.

We've both made up our minds already.

[sub]But seriously, try and convince me to believe this bullshit about "RPGs are about role-playing". It'll be fun.[/sub]

Thank you. So much. Seriously, if I hear one more Bioware fanboy tell me that 'FFXIII ISN'T AN RPG! THERE'S NO ROLE PLAYING!' I am going to set them on fire. Hell, I like Mass Effect 2, but it's an RPG in the same way Gears of War would be an RPG if the design team started getting fanatical with 'Choose-your-own adventure' novels.

And to you OP, I like the Final Fantasy games because they are my (and many others) type of game. They are clearly not yours. That's fine. You can play whatever you like, and maybe I'll agree with you on some of those games, and maybe I won't, but you really can't 'justify' subjectivity.

I'm just going to say one thing...

One thing I didn't like about FFXIII is that there wasn't a main character. Some people say that you can choose which character is your main character, and I did. Playing with Hope as the protagonist throughout the part of the game I played didn't seem as fulfilling as playing as any of the other main characters.

 

[Mr.Mudkip]

I am one of the few people I know who dislikes 7 without disliking most of the others. In fact my favorite is 8, though more for the complex system than for the story. And as for why we like them.....We just do. Why do people like ANY kind of game? You have to start there before you get specific. Answer that, and I'll answer the FF question.

 

[Jaranja]

you don't get it. End of story. stop making us justify why we like it.

Maybe there's nothing to get. Have you ever thought about this one.

So you're saying there's no reason why thousands of people like Final Fantasy?

Right. Okay.

I still call Final Fantasy X my favourite game for many reasons.

 

[thiosk]

I don't get the newest ones, thats for sure.

I like the american releases of FF1, FF2, and FF3. I also liked 7 but god I must have been 13 or 14 then.

FF1 is the best final fantasy.

 

[technoted]

Honest to god it would be easier if you just ignored the blatently obvious troll and spent time looking at pretty things like flowers.

 

[Enigmatic Master]

Well, its been around just as long as Zelda, Mario, and Metroid, and still puts out installments, and has a pretty decent fanbase.

Wow, the series must be older then some of the people on the board, now that I think about it.

Who else feels old?

/

i feel old now that you mention that idea

 

[Akalistos]

Hello dear Escapists. Please explain why Final Fantasy are good games. Because, you see, I have played a few of the FF titles, I've even gone through the trouble of beating FF VII, which I was told, was oh so special, and you know what? I don't get it. The main character is almost always annoying and stupid, the dialogues are lame (ok, maybe bad translation on older games is to be blames), the story is always mostly the same and everything in general is ridiculously naive. I can only compliment the art style and the music, which are pretty good - but that ain't the main parts of an rpg.

And what the hell is the big deal with aeris's death? Good riddance!
Meh, for me the characters are too underdeveloped to care about them.

So tell me, why do you like Final Fantasy games? What's so special about them?

O_O Hahahahahahhahaha!

To get on topic. Why something is hyped and why it's good/enjoyed are different things.

First of all, everyone has different taste, and just because someone likes FF, doesn't mean they like ALL the FF's! I love 6 and 7, but 12 13 are disgusting to me! It's about the little things.

The one you played, 7, will always be a milestone and a big deal for 2 reasons. First, it was one of the first RPG's that were in 3D, which was pretty cool. Second, it was the FF that made the series mainstream.

Speaking of which, most fans of 7 were fans of it when it first came out. And just like it being 3D was a big deal back in the day, most of the stuff you saw as no biggie were as well, such as Aeris/Aerith's death, cut scenes, the story, etc.

Personally, I still love the environment and story of FF7. While a lot of them share similarities, it's no more than BioWare games do. If anything, FF7 is special because it probably has the most filled out environment. There's a LOT of background stuff they try and cram in there to explain how things work, from the planet to mako to engines. And while most people find it obnoxious, I'm a text-whore, so it's for me.

Not so much the characters, but they all helped me get through a crappy time in my life, and thus, I'm a proponent for competent remake, etc. As such, Cloud and Sephiroth will always have soft spots in my heart.

Glad you liked the art and music, that's always something that FF delivers on.

As for gameplay, again, it's all about taste. I wish I could see more turn-based stuff on today's market, but no such luck. But, I'm cool with it. I'm pretty vast in my tastes when it comes to gaming.

Overall, I love the older FF's, ironically til 8, where things got so convoluted, it disappeared up it's own ass. Though, 10 is an exception.

As far as hype goes, you should never follow hype. Be excited about it, but there's always hype about everything, and it you let it catch you, you will only become disappointed in the end...

I think most people love it because it's their first RPG (In my case, it was FF9 and i found it much better) but i can understand why he don't like it. Hell, i don't like it and here's why.

1) Bland Character: They all act one dimensional through most of the game. Most of the description that I can make for any character is about 3 to 4 word max. Worst yet, the only one with a legitimate reason to fight is Barret (till it evident that Sephiroth want the apocalypse later in disk 3). Before that, they all got bullshit reason to go along.
Cloud: Money
Tifa: Cloud
Caith Sid: Job description... (Somehow i can't see a spy nor a office worker using a robot on top of a robot... it's just to stupid)
Cid: They took his plane (that was payed by, owned, used and serviced by Shinra)
Red XII: Father issue / request (He should have stay in Gongaga with the old man. But the old man told him to understand the world a be like his father (spoiler) he needed to travel.
Yuffie: Loot... her's and yours. (It's imply that she need that to return his village into a fighting force against Shinra... but they didn't even move during the second attack at Shinra's tower nor she have given said loot to her people making it Pointless!)
Vincent: He had a Nightmare... I'm not kidding. He just got a nightmare.
Sephiroth: He want his mommy to acknowledge him. (what i can't understand here is why. Beside, he most have known later that he was just infused with more of her DNA then most people. Better yet, it doesn't matter because he's a clone and the original body still lies in the deep of the Nibleheim Reactor with Cloud original body on top of him.)

That will be all for now.

 

[Tsaba]

I remember when 7 came out, people who talk about how it took 30 mins to beat the first level and so on, I didn't play 7 for almost 3 more years, but, when i did, I liked it, it may not be my favorite one or a style of gaming that others such as yourself enjoy, it takes a certain kind of player who will play 99+ hours to get master materia and fight the Emerald Weapon underwater . Though, my favorite will always be FF IV.

 

[AngryMongoose]

It's really rather engaging. Can't really explain why.

And what the hell is the big deal with aeris's death? Good riddance!

Yeah well fuck you!

It was his sled. She's a dude. He's Lukes father. Snape kills him. They all die. They save him but most of them die. These things need to be seen in the original context.

 

[Paksenarrion]

How the fuck did I end up in 1999?

You need to stop surfing the net with your laptop while in a hot tub, bro. Some of those time traveling hot tubs react to your Wi-Fi.

 

[ShinGundam]

Nothing. Nothing at all. Compared to Persona, Final Fantasy is crap. The only thing is FF is one of the few JRPG franchises still alive.

i can't stand the appeal of Persona games as i don't like random dungeon generator in single player RPGs. Maybe it is just me, but Tartarus is the most lazy random dungeon utilized just to pad game length ~_~ . I absolutely cannot see how so many lauded it as game of the year.

 

[Akalistos]

Hello dear Escapists. Please explain why Final Fantasy are good games. Because, you see, I have played a few of the FF titles, I've even gone through the trouble of beating FF VII, which I was told, was oh so special, and you know what? I don't get it. The main character is almost always annoying and stupid, the dialogues are lame (ok, maybe bad translation on older games is to be blames), the story is always mostly the same and everything in general is ridiculously naive. I can only compliment the art style and the music, which are pretty good - but that ain't the main parts of an rpg.

And what the hell is the big deal with aeris's death? Good riddance!
Meh, for me the characters are too underdeveloped to care about them.

So tell me, why do you like Final Fantasy games? What's so special about them?

O_O Hahahahahahhahaha!

To get on topic. Why something is hyped and why it's good/enjoyed are different things.

First of all, everyone has different taste, and just because someone likes FF, doesn't mean they like ALL the FF's! I love 6 and 7, but 12 13 are disgusting to me! It's about the little things.

The one you played, 7, will always be a milestone and a big deal for 2 reasons. First, it was one of the first RPG's that were in 3D, which was pretty cool. Second, it was the FF that made the series mainstream.

Speaking of which, most fans of 7 were fans of it when it first came out. And just like it being 3D was a big deal back in the day, most of the stuff you saw as no biggie were as well, such as Aeris/Aerith's death, cut scenes, the story, etc.

Personally, I still love the environment and story of FF7. While a lot of them share similarities, it's no more than BioWare games do. If anything, FF7 is special because it probably has the most filled out environment. There's a LOT of background stuff they try and cram in there to explain how things work, from the planet to mako to engines. And while most people find it obnoxious, I'm a text-whore, so it's for me.

Not so much the characters, but they all helped me get through a crappy time in my life, and thus, I'm a proponent for competent remake, etc. As such, Cloud and Sephiroth will always have soft spots in my heart.

Glad you liked the art and music, that's always something that FF delivers on.

As for gameplay, again, it's all about taste. I wish I could see more turn-based stuff on today's market, but no such luck. But, I'm cool with it. I'm pretty vast in my tastes when it comes to gaming.

Overall, I love the older FF's, ironically til 8, where things got so convoluted, it disappeared up it's own ass. Though, 10 is an exception.

As far as hype goes, you should never follow hype. Be excited about it, but there's always hype about everything, and it you let it catch you, you will only become disappointed in the end...

Rebuttal part 2. Yeah, i thought it would be better to broke it to piece so you'll have a easier time to retort to specific point instead of a long drawn out post.

2) Bullshit story: It far from being well written. (spoiler's aplanty mate) Like i said before, the Character haven't have motivation, and so is the villain. But this is where it shine.

Basically, Holy is a spell that can only be cast if the caster is kill during the summoning. So here, Sephiroth does himself in by killing Aeris. Funny when you think about it. The only thing he can do is link his soul with the planet to stop Holy... Which he does until he get out. Why? He can clearly control Cloud because he's a clone of original Cloud mix with Jenova. He got 12 Apostles ready to do his bidding. (As Film Brain would have put it: SYMBOLISM!!!!1!)

The only motivation Cloud has to fight Sephiroth is revenge. Revenge for something he probably would have done to stop his nemesis before someone else took care of it. His own trouble past make it also a big chunk of the story... but it doesn't matter at this point because he's a clone. He's memories is clearly not his own. And somehow, dunking himself into mako seem to imply he fetch his own soul back. That too involve some problem as in, How come people got comatose when they are dunk. Shouldn't the implication being that souls enter the body? Shouldn't they become schizophreniac instead?

As for the rest, they have little to no impact on the story. It's basically a retelling of the bible in which Judas Iscariot is the Hero and Jesus is the villain bend on killing people... at least that's what i get from it.

Third Part coming soon

 

[getbonus]

Final Fantasy VII is an exceptional game in many regards. Aside from the game itself, it also popularized JRPGs in the west, which had tremendous lasting impact on the industry.

Anyone's opinion is of course their own but claiming not to understand the game's popularity seems hopelessly dense. It's called merit.

 

[Akalistos]

you don't get it. End of story. stop making us justify why we like it.

Maybe there's nothing to get. Have you ever thought about this one.

my post applies to you too.

Why? Why is it a problem that people doesn't like it? Why can't you see that maybe you are wrong and still love it? It's a possibility and you can't really call bullshit on it.

 

[Tsaba]

you don't get it. End of story. stop making us justify why we like it.

Maybe there's nothing to get. Have you ever thought about this one.

my post applies to you too.

Why? Why is it a problem that people doesn't like it? Why can't you see that maybe you are wrong and still love it? It's a possibility and you can't really call bullshit on it.

Dude, chill, it's a game, and it's less about right and wrong and more about taste in games. That's what he's saying, now don't be a troll, and take a breather.

 

[Akalistos]

you don't get it. End of story. stop making us justify why we like it.

Maybe there's nothing to get. Have you ever thought about this one.

So you're saying there's no reason why thousands of people like Final Fantasy?

Right. Okay.

I still call Final Fantasy X my favourite game for many reasons.

Yeah, there is. It's the first RPG most player played. Think about it, it's like their first love. Or maybe it's bad in a cheesy way to them. There's many reasons, but when you think about it, the game isn't really good.

Edit (to myself): many reasons... reason take a S you dumbass. LOL

 

[Akalistos]

you don't get it. End of story. stop making us justify why we like it.

Maybe there's nothing to get. Have you ever thought about this one.

my post applies to you too.

Why? Why is it a problem that people doesn't like it? Why can't you see that maybe you are wrong and still love it? It's a possibility and you can't really call bullshit on it.

Dude, chill, it's a game, and it's less about right and wrong and more about taste in games. That's what he's saying, now don't be a troll, and take a breather.

*read your first post*
There's absolutly no mention of taste. For that matter, you just imply there's only one answer (aka: making your "no right and wrong" argument moot.) and it's to love it. END OF STORY (if i can stole that from your very first post)

BTW: Sarcasm is all in the tone of voice... it doesn't work with just word on a forum post. Well at least if you don't blow it out of proportion. Which you didn't.

 

[Blind Sight]

you don't get it. End of story. stop making us justify why we like it.

Man, the guy asked in the most polite way he could, he's not going on a whole 'JRPGs suck' rant, maybe you should lighten up a bit?

I personally like some of the Final Fantasies for their decent combat systems and interesting worlds. That being said, Final Fantasy has gotten to the point where it's plot structure is one the worse I've ever seen in a RPG. Honestly 13 has my 'worst mainstream game of the year' stamp on it, simply because of the dumbing down of combat, the recycled, terrible characters, and the awful plot. The new one's not looking much better, but oh well, 8 nearly destroyed the series for me and only 9 kept me going.

 

[Tsaba]

you don't get it. End of story. stop making us justify why we like it.

Maybe there's nothing to get. Have you ever thought about this one.

my post applies to you too.

Why? Why is it a problem that people doesn't like it? Why can't you see that maybe you are wrong and still love it? It's a possibility and you can't really call bullshit on it.

Dude, chill, it's a game, and it's less about right and wrong and more about taste in games. That's what he's saying, now don't be a troll, and take a breather.

*read your first post*
There's absolutly no mention of taste. For that matter, you just imply there's only one answer (aka: making your "no right and wrong" argument moot.) and it's to love it. END OF STORY (if i can stole that from your very first post)

BTW: Sarcasm is all in the tone of voice... it doesn't work with just word on a forum post. Well at least if you don't blow it out of proportion. Which you didn't.

you don't get it. End of story. stop making us justify why we like it.

It doesn't have to be spelled out, it's pretty much summed up here in the meanest way possible, but, hey, your the one ranting like a moron who didn't play the game. BTW you forgot to describe Barret's character flaws.