Why the ME3 ending DLC shouldn't be free.

[ToastiestZombie]

So I, like many others was not really satisfied about the ending to ME3. I'm not flipping my shit over it but I'm just like "huh, that's it?". I've heard that Bioware may be planning to make a DLC, like broken steel for FO3 that changes the ending. That's awesome ain't it? If they do make it it'll show that Bioware and EA have listened to our concerns and have bothered to fix the ending. But no, that's not enough for most gamers, because if it's not absolutely free then Bioware and EA are evil and the ending will still be shit.
Why?
I do not like the ending, but there is nothing BROKEN about it, everything about this has all been subjective opinion. The ending is crap, but it's not broken is my main point here. Just think about it for a sec. If you go into a restaurant, order a meal and when it comes it's a perfectly fine meal but after you eat it and you happen to not like it noone ever goes up and asks for a refund, because it's subjective that they don't like it.
As for the title of this thread, if Bioware does actually make a DLC that fixes it then it should be a payed DLC like broken steel.

So Escapist the questions I want to ask is:
Why should the ME3 ending DLC be free?

Or if you agree with me then why you think it shouldn't be free.

 

[coolbeans21]

Spoilers coming

So I, like many others was not really satisfied about the ending to ME3. I'm not flipping my shit over it but I'm just like "huh, that's it?". I've heard that Bioware may be planning to make a DLC, like broken steel for FO3 that changes the ending. That's awesome ain't it? If they do make it it'll show that Bioware and EA have listened to our concerns and have bothered to fix the ending. But no, that's not enough for most gamers, because if it's not absolutely free then Bioware and EA are evil and the ending will still be shit.
Why?
I do not like the ending, but there is nothing BROKEN about it, everything about this has all been subjective opinion. The ending is crap, but it's not broken is my main point here. Just think about it for a sec. If you go into a restaurant, order a meal and when it comes it's a perfectly fine meal but after you eat it and you happen to not like it noone ever goes up and asks for a refund, because it's subjective that they don't like it.
As for the title of this thread, if Bioware does actually make a DLC that fixes it then it should be a payed DLC like broken steel.

So Escapist the questions I want to ask is:
Why should the ME3 ending DLC be free?

Or if you agree with me then why you think it shouldn't be free.

Normandy crashing on jungle planet, with squadmates who minutes before were with me on earth = Broken ending in my opinion.

I'll post more in a bit, but my break is coming to an end

 

[a ginger491]

I don't think it should be free because it would be made using funds outside of bioware's original budget, That's just how the market works. If they spend money on making a product, they are going to want to make a profit on that product. Throwing around things for free isn't a sound long term business strategy.

 

[ToastiestZombie]

Spoilers coming

So I, like many others was not really satisfied about the ending to ME3. I'm not flipping my shit over it but I'm just like "huh, that's it?". I've heard that Bioware may be planning to make a DLC, like broken steel for FO3 that changes the ending. That's awesome ain't it? If they do make it it'll show that Bioware and EA have listened to our concerns and have bothered to fix the ending. But no, that's not enough for most gamers, because if it's not absolutely free then Bioware and EA are evil and the ending will still be shit.
Why?
I do not like the ending, but there is nothing BROKEN about it, everything about this has all been subjective opinion. The ending is crap, but it's not broken is my main point here. Just think about it for a sec. If you go into a restaurant, order a meal and when it comes it's a perfectly fine meal but after you eat it and you happen to not like it noone ever goes up and asks for a refund, because it's subjective that they don't like it.
As for the title of this thread, if Bioware does actually make a DLC that fixes it then it should be a payed DLC like broken steel.

So Escapist the questions I want to ask is:
Why should the ME3 ending DLC be free?

Or if you agree with me then why you think it shouldn't be free.

Normandy crashing on jungle planet, with squadmates who minutes before were with me on earth = Broken ending in my opinion.

I'll post more in a bit, but my break is coming to an end

That's my point, it's all in the persons opinion. There is nothing really that makes it so that if it's not free Bioware is evil. Plot holes are not really things that justify a free DLC, if so then why didn't EVERYONE rage at Broken Steel because of the major plot hole that the big mutant (Forgot his name) could of gone in the chamber himself. Never before has a company made a free DLC to fix plot holes, because fixing a plot hole is not like fixing a bug, it requires new dialoque, maybe a new mission and definetly new cutscenes.

 

[GiantRaven]

A better ending DLC that costs money is a bad thing because it sets the precedent that it's alright to make a shitty ending to a videogame, because you can always release another one and drones of gamers will come flocking to it with their cash.

Personally, I'd rather not have that.

edit: That doesn't mean I want free DLC. Far from it. Keep the ending as it is now (however bad that may be). Learn from it and do better next time.

 

[Pandabearparade]

It should be free because it's a core part of the game they are being forced to retcon. They advertised a much different ending than the one in the game at present, that's false advertising. You shouldn't have to pay extra later to get what you were promised out of the box.

 

[ToastiestZombie]

A better ending DLC that costs money is a bad thing because it sets the precedent that it's alright to make a shitty ending to a videogame, because you can always release another one and drones of gamers will come flocking to it with their cash.

Personally, I'd rather not have that.

edit: That doesn't mean I want free DLC. Far from it. Keep the ending as it is now (however bad that may be). Learn from it and do better next time.

Sadly not many people are like you. You seem like the type of person who saw the ending and went "well that was crap" and didn't whine about it like MANY other people have. Bioware are going to have to make an ending DLC because the fans just won't shut up about it, with all their complaints to the government and stuff. Bioware can't really make it free because that's a crap move and knowing Microsoft they won't allow it. Therefore they have to make it a paid DLC, which will make even more fans angry at them.

 

[Hero in a half shell]

The problem is that they sold a AAA game for full price, and then left out the ending, making you spend more money for a product that you should have got in the first place.

They deliberately created an incomplete game and sold it for full price as if it was a full game, and then ask you to pay more money to actually be able to complete the game. It's not an expansion pack, it's not extra content, it's not cosmetic items, it's the ending of the damn game!

You wouldn't buy a book that leaves the ending out and makes you pay extra for it in a seperate purchase, or a movie, or a song, so why is it acceptable to do in videogames? It isn't. The companies are profit driven, and they are screwing their customers over to see just how far they can push us, just how much profit they can drill out of us with the implementation of DLC.

It is not an acceptable business practise, it takes advantage of the customers, and we must take a stand and say that we won't allow companies to pull this kind of crap with their products. For a full price, AAA game, we demand high quality games, with high production values, and we want that one purchase to entitle us to the entirity of the game. That includes the ending of the storyline.

 

[ToastiestZombie]

The problem is that they sold a AAA game for full price, and then left out the ending, making you spend more money for a product that you should have got in the first place.

They deliberately created an incomplete game and sold it for full price as if it was a full game, and then ask you to pay more money to actually be able to complete the game. It's not an expansion pack, it's not extra content, it's not cosmetic items, it's the ending of the damn game!

You wouldn't buy a book that leaves the ending out and makes you pay extra for it in a seperate purchase, or a movie, or a song, so why is it acceptable to do in videogames? It isn't. The companies are profit driven, and they are screwing their customers over to see just how far they can push us, just how much profit they can drill out of us with the implementation of DLC.

Bad Ending =/= no ending! The reapers are dealt with in all of the endings, the normandy crew is trapped on an unknown planet and we KNOW that. That's the ending, it may not be good but there is an ending.

 

[GiantRaven]

Sadly not many people are like you. You seem like the type of person who saw the ending and went "well that was crap" and didn't whine about it like MANY other people have. Bioware are going to have to make an ending DLC because the fans just won't shut up about it, with all their complaints to the government and stuff. Bioware can't really make it free because that's a crap move and knowing Microsoft they won't allow it. Therefore they have to make it a paid DLC, which will make even more fans angry at them.

Yeah, and then legions of disgruntled gamers get it into their head that it's ok to whine ridiculously loud about something because eventually developers will give in, rather than just letting them get on with their own ideas.

*sigh*

This whole Mass Effect 3 ending stuff is really bumming me out now.

 

[Cranky]

They could compromise and make it cheap. 2 bucks or something.

 

[ToastiestZombie]

Sadly not many people are like you. You seem like the type of person who saw the ending and went "well that was crap" and didn't whine about it like MANY other people have. Bioware are going to have to make an ending DLC because the fans just won't shut up about it, with all their complaints to the government and stuff. Bioware can't really make it free because that's a crap move and knowing Microsoft they won't allow it. Therefore they have to make it a paid DLC, which will make even more fans angry at them.

Yeah, and then legions of disgruntled gamers get it into their head that it's ok to whine ridiculously loud about something because eventually developers will give in, rather than just letting them get on with their own ideas.

*sigh*

This whole Mass Effect 3 ending stuff is really bumming me out now.

Same here, Bioware will probably HAVE to change the ending (Not fix it, since it's not broken) probably due to EA forcing them due to the massive amount of bad PR that there getting from this. But overall what I find annoying is that ME3 was an amazing game, the ending was the only really bad bit about it yet people are acting like just because of the ending the whole game is crap.

 

[GiantRaven]

Its highly likely that Shepard was indoctrinated. Theres a shit ton of evidence to support that. Shepard most likely never touched down on earth. The biggest piece of evidence supporting this is that with high galactic readiness, right at the end, if you choose the "destroy" ending, you will get a brief clip of Shepard laying in a pile of rubble, taking a sharp breath right before the screen blacks out.

So...what? Shepard didn't really go up onto the Citadel? How were the Reapers destroyed then? If he did go up there, then how did he get back down? If the Reapers weren't destroyed (because Shepard didn't even go up onto the Citadel and just hallucinated it) then we weren't presented with an actual ending at all.

The indoctrination theory makes even less sense than what we're already presented with.

edit: Herp a derp, I probably should have read the rest of your post.

 

[tippy2k2]

A better ending DLC that costs money is a bad thing because it sets the precedent that it's alright to make a shitty ending to a videogame, because you can always release another one and drones of gamers will come flocking to it with their cash.

More or less this. My big rule for DLC has always been such:

It should never have a major impact on the story

Changing the ending would be a bit of an impact I would think but not everyone has the extra money for it and not everyone has the internet connection required for it. Even if it's free, fudging with the story at this point will be bad because some people actually liked this ending (*sheepishly raises hand).

EDIT: Bioware, you have your ending. This is what you decided on and you really should stick with it. IF you want to add stuff to CLEAR up what happened, I'm more OK with that but don't change the ending to placate fans. That might setup just as dangerous a precedent as getting "The Real Ending DLC!"

 

[Hero in a half shell]

The problem is that they sold a AAA game for full price, and then left out the ending, making you spend more money for a product that you should have got in the first place.

They deliberately created an incomplete game and sold it for full price as if it was a full game, and then ask you to pay more money to actually be able to complete the game. It's not an expansion pack, it's not extra content, it's not cosmetic items, it's the ending of the damn game!

You wouldn't buy a book that leaves the ending out and makes you pay extra for it in a seperate purchase, or a movie, or a song, so why is it acceptable to do in videogames? It isn't. The companies are profit driven, and they are screwing their customers over to see just how far they can push us, just how much profit they can drill out of us with the implementation of DLC.

Bad Ending =/= no ending! The reapers are dealt with in all of the endings, the normandy crew is trapped on an unknown planet and we KNOW that. That's the ending, it may not be good but there is an ending.

I didn't say the ending was bad, I said it was a bad precedent to leave out an ending and then create DLC that you have to pay to access. The proper ending of the story should be included in the original game, not something you pay for to access on top of the original full price game.

Whether you consider the endings bad or not there is a lot of evidence pointing to them not being the final endings of the game, with the indoctrination theory, and the twitter post from a Bioware employee saying they had 'plans' for the ending it is highly likely that the DLC we know that is coming out titled "The Truth" will be the actual, proper ending. While there is nothing bad about this in itself, if they make the DLC cost more money then that means that they have made everyone pay extra to purchase the ending of the game, and that is an unacceptable business practise that gamers should not support. It is shafting us and creating the idea that it is alright for publishers to hold back major parts of their game, and sell them to the player for more money, on top of the full asking price they originally charged for a game that contained deliberately less content than it should.

It's a matter of principal. DLC is a relatively fresh thing in gaming, and has all sorts of potential to benefit games and gamers, but the companies are trying to see how much they can pervert it to maximise their profits. We have to send a clear message that says that there are certain things that it is unnacceptable to leave out of your game and charge us extra to access, and the ending of the plot is one of these things.

 

[Fr]anc[is]

Because I am the consumer, I paid money for a product, that money feeds their families. I say that ending was completely unacceptable, and so do many others. DLC is extra optional content. The ending is part of the main game, and the ending was not acceptable. Therefore they should fix it, since I already paid for it.

A better ending DLC that costs money is a bad thing because it sets the precedent that it's alright to make a shitty ending to a videogame, because you can always release another one and drones of gamers will come flocking to it with their cash.

Also this

 

[Daystar Clarion]

If the indoctrination theory turns out to be true, then that means the game didn't end.

The Reapers are still fighting the fleet and the Crucible hasn't been deployed.

If Bioware are doing what I think they're doing, then they need to be very smart and very careful. If they want it to have the desired effect, the DLC needs to be free, and there needs to be a way that those without internet connections can get a hard copy.

This will either be a master stroke, or a complete botch job.

 

[ToastiestZombie]

If the indoctrination theory turns out to be true, then that means the game didn't end.

The Reapers are still fighting the fleet and the Crucible hasn't been deployed.

If Bioware are doing what I think they're doing, then they need to be very smart and very careful. If they want it to have the desired effect, the DLC needs to be free, and there needs to be a way that those without internet connections can get a hard copy.

This while either be a master stroke, or a complete botch job.

There isn't any way to get it to people without an internet connection. People without internet are probably not as angry with this because well, they don't have forums like these with hundreds of people to hear how bad it is from.
Personally I reckon anything Bioware does will be seen as crap by most people, if it's an amazing DLC that you have to pay for everyone will call it crap because you have to pay for it. In my eyes if Bioware basically does Broken Steel but with the ME3 ending I'll be happy.