Why the Skyrim boycott is a waste of time and missing enjoyment.

[Gottesstrafe]

Wait, you mean they (the fanboys that is) were serious about that? I was under the impression that it was some sort of jab at at the L4D2 boycott 2 years ago. You know, the one that didn't work and was popularly regarded as stupid even when it was new. That one.

I'm not saying that what Zenimax is doing to Notch isn't a dick move, but Notch's reaction so far has been a bit childish. Really, what's so hard about changing the name to a synonym of "Scrolls" (i.e. Parchment or even Manuscript) and then taking every opportunity to reference aforementioned dick move in a grab for publicity and self-referential humor? The whole thing is probably going to pan out like that scenario where that really drunk guy tries calling out that scary group of bikers at the other end of the bar.

 

[keinechance]

Boycotting a game is pointless

At some point you will give in and buy the game.

Bethesda aren't bad people, their legal team are just being assholes who won't do the Quake 3 match.

Really?

And you base this assumption on what?

Your own feelings on the matter?

 

[Dascylus]

Two words... Free Press.

Anyone not seeing how grey area lawsuit against another popular developer ahead of the biggest release of the year is a good way of getting Bethesdas name on peoples tongues.
There will be no boycott... When was the last time one of these boycotts were the true reason behind a games poor sales?
Go on, name the game.
A game that failed because it lost support prior to release after a boycott by the fans and not because it turned out to be shit.
Name that game... A wider field to find the exception but name the movie or musical artist.
Even further, name the consumer product. You might find a few here. See how far we had to go to for this to even pop up on anyones radar.

I will be ignoring the boycott and buying what may be one of the best RPGs this year.

 

[mike1921]

And you've most likely heard how everyone Notch fanboy from here to the moon is going to boycott Skyrim because Bethesda is beating on the little man!

Ok, for one, Notch isn't little, stop defending him.

What a pathetic statement, you shouldn't refuse to defend people because of how "little" they are. You should defend them if they're right.

Second, Zenimax has all the right to sue Notch over this if they want to.

Doesn't mean they're not scum for it and it doesn't mean it doesn't justify a boycott. I'm not a part of any boycott, Skyrim is the game I've been most looking forward to for well over a year, but if this were any other game I certainly wouldn't be giving them my money unless I found out everyone personally involved in that suit was fire.

Third, No, Zenimax isn't the only one to blame, they sent him a cease and desist letter, his reaction? Post it on twitter and laugh about it.

It's fucking moronic and no one should accept any pretense that isn't. There should be no one at any level pretending this suit isn't a joke including Notch or even including any judge this comes to. I could give no fucks about minecraft but this action alone gives me respect for notch.

Fourth, a article went up recently (This one: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.316261-Mojang-Offered-Up-Scrolls-Trademark-Bethsoft-Said-No)
and more butt hurt and flames were sputtered by Notch fanboys. Apparently Notch said that he was willing to change "Scrolls" to 'Scrolls: [some subtitle]' and now he's confused as to why he's getting sued still.

BECAUSE IT DOESN'T GET RID OF THE SCROLLS PART.

So, are we sure entirely how serious he was about that as an offer

That's what Zenimax is peeved about, the Scrolls part, so adding a subtitle doesn't solve their problem.

How anyone could say this seriously is a mystery to me

Now is Zenimax guilt free? Of course not, they're being stupid about the lawsuit to, but Notch is being just as equally (if not more so by bringing the public into it) about the whole thing.

They're not being stupid about the lawsuit, the lawsuit itself is incredibly stupid and should result in several people being fired. Also, personally, I am glad the public is brought into this. Cease and Desist letters should not be things you have to keep private. When someone is taking legal action against you there should never be a problem in bringing it to the public.

 

[rickvalence]

If you inhabit the internet you know about Zenimax suing Mojang over the word "Scrolls"

And you've most likely heard how everyone Notch fanboy from here to the moon is going to boycott Skyrim because Bethesda is beating on the little man!

Ok, for one, Notch isn't little, stop defending him.

Second, Zenimax has all the right to sue Notch over this if they want to.

Third, No, Zenimax isn't the only one to blame, they sent him a cease and desist letter, his reaction? Post it on twitter and laugh about it.

Fourth, a article went up recently (This one: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.316261-Mojang-Offered-Up-Scrolls-Trademark-Bethsoft-Said-No)
and more butt hurt and flames were sputtered by Notch fanboys. Apparently Notch said that he was willing to change "Scrolls" to 'Scrolls: [some subtitle]' and now he's confused as to why he's getting sued still.

BECAUSE IT DOESN'T GET RID OF THE SCROLLS PART.

That's what Zenimax is peeved about, the Scrolls part, so adding a subtitle doesn't solve their problem.

Now is Zenimax guilt free? Of course not, they're being stupid about the lawsuit to, but Notch is being just as equally (if not more so by bringing the public into it) about the whole thing.

My overall point? Boycotting an awesome looking game because your overlord says hes completely innocent is just being stupid, please for the love of god use your brain.

You're an idiot. Read the article. What it says is they were worried about the "trademark", which Notch said he'd give up. They said no. This has nothing to do with worry over the games getting confused, it's Bethesda being Bethesda: Stupid fuckups who ruin everything good.

Calling me an idiot isn't a great way to start your argument, I'll let the mods deal with that part.

They're worried about product confusion, learn to read more then one article. Have a nice day

Okay, you're not an idiot. But I have read more than one article. And what I see is two very conflicting statements from the same people: One saying it's "about the name being confusing" and the other saying it's "because they fear Mojang will try to sue them later". So yeah, I've read more than one article, and also: saying "Notch fanboys" "Flaming" and being "Butthurt" isn't much better than calling someone an idiot. So, don't dish it out if you can't take it. I'll let the mods handle that one. Have a nice day!

 

[Jezzascmezza]

Well, if people are choosing to boycott Skyrim, it's their bloody loss.
I'm thankful I'm not boycotting it.

 

[Coruptin]

Notch should just go with 'Rolled Up Pieces of Parchment'

 

[Laxman9292]

Firstly, who/what the hell is Notch? I read the whole post and no explanation!

Secondly, I am going to buy Skyrim.

The pretentious creator of Minecraft who has apparently been catapulted into the celebrity stratus of only having one name. The people who are blindly supporting Mojang because of their love of Notch and Minecraft are stupid little sheep who are bleating out that they won't buy the game when in reality at least 70% of the people will end up buying it. It is a stupid issue to stand behind. Really, of all the things they could be boycotting it is this?

 

[TheTurtleMan]

It would be stupid if Paramount sued Fox over the word Star too. It isn't "not being nice to Mojang".

You don't even understand he implications of Bethesda suing Mojang so there's really no point in continuing to argue. Bethesda has their reasons and Mojang doesn't need people to stick up for them so I'll just leave it at that. Have fun waiting for a new version of Minecraft to come out, I'll just be enjoying the hell out of Skyrim.

 

[Romblen]

Remember the Left 4 Dead 2 and the Call of Duty boycotts? The Skyrim boycott is stupid for the same reason the l4d and cod boycotts were stupid.

 

[Epona]

Firstly, who/what the hell is Notch? I read the whole post and no explanation!

Secondly, I am going to buy Skyrim.

The pretentious creator of Minecraft who has apparently been catapulted into the celebrity stratus of only having one name. The people who are blindly supporting Mojang because of their love of Notch and Minecraft are stupid little sheep who are bleating out that they won't buy the game when in reality at least 70% of the people will end up buying it. It is a stupid issue to stand behind. Really, of all the things they could be boycotting it is this?

Your answered the question "Who is Notch"! I was considering telling him to go Google it because it's easier for him to type "Notch" into a search engine than it is for someone to explain it to him, especially if there is a captcha involved.

 

[RDubayoo]

If you inhabit the internet you know about Zenimax suing Mojang over the word "Scrolls"

And you've most likely heard how everyone Notch fanboy from here to the moon is going to boycott Skyrim because Bethesda is beating on the little man!

Ok, for one, Notch isn't little, stop defending him.

Make me. And also, he's not Bethesda, either.

Second, Zenimax has all the right to sue Notch over this if they want to.

Can =/= Should

Third, No, Zenimax isn't the only one to blame, they sent him a cease and desist letter, his reaction? Post it on twitter and laugh about it.

He tweeted about the letter! The bastard!

Fourth, a article went up recently (This one: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.316261-Mojang-Offered-Up-Scrolls-Trademark-Bethsoft-Said-No)
and more butt hurt and flames were sputtered by Notch fanboys. Apparently Notch said that he was willing to change "Scrolls" to 'Scrolls: [some subtitle]' and now he's confused as to why he's getting sued still.

BECAUSE IT DOESN'T GET RID OF THE SCROLLS PART.

Missing the point, it would have helped differentiate Scrolls from Elder Scrolls, which isn't even a problem anyway because nobody calls the games "Elder Scrolls" in casual conversation.

That's what Zenimax is peeved about, the Scrolls part, so adding a subtitle doesn't solve their problem.

WRONG. The problem is Bethesda acting like it has such a strong trademark on the word "Scrolls" that they think they can sue anyone who uses it in their game title. The notion is ridiculous.

Now is Zenimax guilt free? Of course not, they're being stupid about the lawsuit to, but Notch is being just as equally (if not more so by bringing the public into it) about the whole thing.

WRONG again. The basis for the lawsuit is ridiculous, and why exactly is it Notch's fault for being sued? What, he brought the public into it? Why the hell shouldn't he? If he didn't then Bethesda could merrily sue and crush him in silence. Now there's a sh*tstorm on the Internet and a potential PR debacle for Bethesda. How exactly would it benefit Notch to withhold this knowledge because of some half-baked notion of being "the better man" or whatever? Furthermore, the public would most certainly want to know about a ridiculous lawsuit like this, don't you think?

My overall point? Boycotting an awesome looking game because your overlord says hes completely innocent is just being stupid, please for the love of god use your brain.

My brain is what led me to support the boycott. You might think I'm some Notch fanboy, but if you did you'd be wrong and shamefully so. I've played some Minecraft, sure, but not that much. I just don't like the thought of a big publisher pushing around an indie developer just to make an example of him. Now, if you believe Notch has misinterpreted the facts of the case somehow then do enlighten me.

 

[Versuvius]

I couldn't boycott Skyrim even if i wanted to. D:

 

[New York Patrick]

Its really funny, because in all of this, I have yet to see Notch present that there was a legitimate market for his "Scrolls" game... most of his supporters that I've seen are more concerned with "hey, its the guy who made minecraft" rather than "hey, that game sounds like something I'd play..."

 

[William Dickbringer]

-SNIP-

alright here's what I have to say (as a guy planning on buying skyrim and minecraft)
Why shouldn't he be allowed to keep scrolls in name and tack on a subtitle? they have elder in the beginning
Why does zenimax have a right to sue? hardly anyone outside of the internet knows notch and elder scrolls skyrim is bound to be heard by everyone
the boycott is pointless but you don't need to tell people it is just let them do it
nothing to worry about skyrim will sell well with or without them buying it

 

[New York Patrick]

Notch should just go with 'Rolled Up Pieces of Parchment'

See, that would have been the creative, possitively benefitial, lawsuit-escaping route...

 

[SenseOfTumour]

Personally I'm just looking forward to the new Red Dwarf themed flight sim, SkyRimmer.

what?

Also, yes, it's down to lawyers being dicks on behalf of company CEOs.

Reminded me of a recent article I read by Peter Serafinowicz, great comedy actor and voice of Darth Maul.

Essentially he directed a video for Hot Chip for their new single. A Promotional video, you know, when you make a music video to promote a band and spread the word, it's like an advert?

EMI then had it region locked on youtube to UK only, stopping most of the world from seeing the ad. Peter had uploaded to his own account, and EMI step in to have its embedding disabled, so people can't link it on their sites etc.

It's an AD, guys. I kind of get the feeling that if I painted one side of my house red and in white lettering ten feet high, wrote 'COKE', that Mr Coca Cola's lawyers wouldn't be on me, seeing free advertising and letting it go.

I think it all comes down to control nowadays. Ever since the internet became widespread, the entertainment corporations have been losing control over everything, and they're panicking, so they're setting packs of lawyers on anything, in some crazed attempt to feel like they're still in charge.

 

[Versuvius]

Basically if they don't persue all avenues of possible infringement they lose the right to the copyright if it does fall under it. Asscovering or potentially lose the IP's name meaning ANYONE can make a knockoff Elderscrolls game? Im with Beth here. Cover your ass or lose your ass. Fanboys can take it how they like and lose out for all i care.

 

[NoOne852]

Ok, your "argument" has little to stand on. Yes, Skyrim looks interesting. No, the so called "boycott" won't exist except for the few mindless drones that probably weren't going to buy the game anyway. You critizie Notch and use the term "Fanboys" when that really doesn't much of anything. Notch didn't ask for the boycott, so your calling him an "overlord" is really invalid. I feel bad saying this, but when I read the OP, all I can think of is an attempt of a shot that I would see coming from a raging CoD fan.

I stand on neither side as for as the "Elder Scrolls" and "Scrolls" trail goes. Though it seems both sides aren't really putting too much effort into working it out. I don't think it matters that Scrolls is somewhat similar to Elder Scrolls, and I don't think it's a big deal to just change the name Scrolls to something else.