Why the Skyrim boycott is a waste of time and missing enjoyment.

[Epona]

Contradiction much? "They don't pay attention to boycotts but they do pay attention to sales", I believe a boycott may just prevent a few sales...

Also really?! you're not saying all boycotts are a waste of time? read your own post.

I said plainly in my post that boycotts are stupid, but I guess let me clarify my opinion that video game boycotts are stupid since you decided not to pay attention to my entire post.

I'm sticking to my opinion that game companies don't care about video game boycotts. Maybe if there was a boycott that cut a significant amount of purchases then I would look at them with more respect. Also like I said before, the small percentage that "boycotts" games have no obligation to staying true to the cause and may have bought the game despite their grievences.

So a huge boycott has to happen before you support it. Well if everyone who felt that way would just support it, it would be huge.

 

[Tufty94]

A lot of you on each side of the argument are idiot, the biggest idiot though is the OP. His post show what an ignorant pile of shit he is, and while he calls people boycotting the game Notch Fanboys, he only appears to come across as a Bethesda Fanboy.

I don't like what they are doing as because of that I candled my pre-order and going to buy the game used. I don't mind waiting a few weeks for people to start trading games in. As for the DLC I'll just buy the GOTY version of the game pre-owned when it comes out. I don't expect to achieve anything, I just don't feel like I should support Bethesda at the minute. However, since Bethesda haven't really said much, if anything, about this lawsuit, so we only have one side of the story to go on.

 

[Epona]

They won't lose enough. As I stated before, this Boycott will fall apart at the seams and most, if not all, of the boycotters will most likely buy the game. Sorry, but that's how all of these boycotts go. What reason do you have to prove that this will be any different?

I don't and I said so on page 1. I do support gamers taking a stand and don't appreciate those who discourage gamers from taking a stand. Baby steps.

I am not even boycotting Skyrim myself but I believe that gamers need to take a stand. Those who feel strongly about this will be supported by me. I won't call them names or tell them not to waste their time even if I am not part of their group. Hope that makes sense.

So you would punish the people who make the games you love and force some of those folks out of work just because of something their parent company did?

Yes and so would you if it were a fast food place or a retail outlet I'd wager. If you are willing to let corporations do as they please just to save the cashier or the dev's job, well, that's why game companies are greedy and anti-consumer today.

If you disagree with the lawsuit, then protest it or do something that effects Zenimax directly.

Ok, like what?

Except they have no control over Zenimax's legal battles. Zenimax calls the shots and gives them their paychecks.

So you can't separate Zenimax and Bethesda. It is a company and subsidiary relationship.

 

[Ragsnstitches]

Can people at least try to see the issue from both sides before making ridiculous decisions?

Notch is not innocent in this... He knows exactly what he wants and is playing dumb and pulling the sympathy card from his loyal little fanatics.

Zenimax are not in the wrong to pursue this lawsuit, especially when Notches compromise is almost insulting.

Zenimax SHOULD NOT, bend over and let themselves be fucked by Notch, just because a few clueless fans put on their rage face and Q_Q to sleep at night. If they did, then I would boycott Zenimax myself for being fucking retarded with handling an extremely profitable product.

Those of you who think this trademark dispute is just gown men bickering over a word, tend to gloss over the currently accepted legal system AND HOW IT CAN ROYALLY FUCK YOU IF YOU IGNORE "POTENTIAL" THREATS TO YOUR IP.

By all means, Boycott the game... but christ above, at least wipe your mouth off first as I can still see notches pubes clinging to your skin.

When you open a post with:

Can people at least try to see the issue from both sides before making ridiculous decisions?

You should cover both sides.

Both sides are covered. The common argument is that Zenimax is a big bully, throwing around legal mumbo jumbo in order to crush poor little notch and should stop for the sake of moral decency. Either that or thinking that both sides are just bickering over a word because they think we're too stupid to tell the difference... neither of these are true.

Notch isn't incapable of standing on his own 2 feet, and fighting his own battles. He has a right to fight this case and if he stopped acting like a juvenile and took this seriously, it could have ended before it became public. Of course, Notch wanted it to go public for the support of all the bleeding hearts out there. Which he has the right to do, but won't make a damn bit of difference for him if he actually goes to court.

Zenimax is in it solely and selfishly, to prevent ANY form of possible infringement on their Trademark, regardless of how small it may seem. Likewise, Notch is using his public image as leverage against this case, hoping Zeni will back off (read: Settle) for fear of a PR meltdown.

That's not the problem. The problem is how people are perceiving this case, like there is a victim or something. There isn't. Both sides have very real stakes in this dispute not just for the immediate products they are going to release, but for future ventures with their IPs. What's more, most people spouting opinions here are ignoring the facts, supporting Bethesda because they can't fap hard enough over TES games or Fallout, or Mojang because they see him as an Indie God suffering the injustice of Evil corporations.

Mojang has just as much right to fight for the trademark as Zeni does. The only difference is Zeni is acting professional, keeping private legal matters PRIVATE, while Notch is mouthing off every chance he gets, hoping to capture popular opinion with weighted words and biased viewpoints. Which, as I said before WILL NOT MAKE A DAMN BIT OF DIFFERENCE. The courts couldn't give a flying fuck about Mojangs Rep.

As I said, you are well within your right to boycott if you feel their is an injustice... but it's all gut reactions from poorly phrased and light on detail Updates here on this site, or via Notches own enormous gob. Not one of the boycotters can see that Notch HAS done something legally sketchy and should be called out on it. Instead barking rhetoric and preamble an calling it support.

The boycott I see before me, is a hate train... nothing more. There is no statement, no goal, no moral code... just fan rage. Prove me wrong on that one, please, as I hope I'm wrong.

 

[Dr Druza]

I don't have time time to right all the wrongs of the OP, but I'd like to take on a couple:

Ok, for one, Notch isn't little, stop defending him.

Second, Zenimax has all the right to sue Notch over this if they want to.

Third, No, Zenimax isn't the only one to blame, they sent him a cease and desist letter, his reaction? Post it on twitter and laugh about it.

1: Just because you have alot of money doesn't mean you're a big company.

2: Yeah, the same right Microsoft has for suing Ubisoft, or Star Wars suing Stargate and/or Star Trek.

3: Whats wrong with being upfront? Why should he be punished for it?

 

[Epona]

Can people at least try to see the issue from both sides before making ridiculous decisions?

Notch is not innocent in this... He knows exactly what he wants and is playing dumb and pulling the sympathy card from his loyal little fanatics.

Zenimax are not in the wrong to pursue this lawsuit, especially when Notches compromise is almost insulting.

Zenimax SHOULD NOT, bend over and let themselves be fucked by Notch, just because a few clueless fans put on their rage face and Q_Q to sleep at night. If they did, then I would boycott Zenimax myself for being fucking retarded with handling an extremely profitable product.

Those of you who think this trademark dispute is just gown men bickering over a word, tend to gloss over the currently accepted legal system AND HOW IT CAN ROYALLY FUCK YOU IF YOU IGNORE "POTENTIAL" THREATS TO YOUR IP.

By all means, Boycott the game... but christ above, at least wipe your mouth off first as I can still see notches pubes clinging to your skin.

When you open a post with:

Can people at least try to see the issue from both sides before making ridiculous decisions?

You should cover both sides.

Both sides are covered. The common argument is that Zenimax is a big bully, throwing around legal mumbo jumbo in order to crush poor little notch and should stop for the sake of moral decency. Either that or thinking that both sides are just bickering over a word because they think we're too stupid to tell the difference... neither of these are true.

Notch isn't incapable of standing on his own 2 feet, and fighting his own battles. He has a right to fight this case and if he stopped acting like a juvenile and took this seriously, it could have ended before it became public. Of course, Notch wanted it to go public for the support of all the bleeding hearts out there. Which he has the right to do, but won't make a damn bit of difference for him if he actually goes to court.

Zenimax is in it solely and selfishly, to prevent ANY form of possible infringement on their Trademark, regardless of how small it may seem. Likewise, Notch is using his public image as leverage against this case, hoping Zeni will back off (read: Settle) for fear of a PR meltdown.

That's not the problem. The problem is how people are perceiving this case, like there is a victim or something. There isn't. Both sides have very real stakes in this dispute not just for the immediate products they are going to release, but for future ventures with their IPs. What's more, most people spouting opinions here are ignoring the facts, supporting Bethesda because they can't fap hard enough over TES games or Fallout, or Mojang because they see him as an Indie God suffering the injustice of Evil corporations.

Mojang has just as much right to fight for the trademark as Zeni does. The only difference is Zeni is acting professional, keeping private legal matters PRIVATE, while Notch is mouthing off every chance he gets, hoping to capture popular opinion with weighted words and biased viewpoints. Which, as I said before WILL NOT MAKE A DAMN BIT OF DIFFERENCE. The courts couldn't give a flying fuck about Mojangs Rep.

As I said, you are well within your right to boycott if you feel their is an injustice... but it's all gut reactions from poorly phrased and light on detail Updates here on this site, or via Notches own enormous gob. Not one of the boycotters can see that Notch HAS done something legally sketchy and should be called out on it. Instead barking rhetoric and preamble an calling it support.

The boycott I see before me, is a hate train... nothing more. There is no statement, no goal, no moral code... just fan rage. Prove me wrong on that one, please, as I hope I'm wrong.

I can't prove you wrong but maybe one of the boycotters can. I am not a boycotter, just don't appreciate the anti-boycott attitude on the escapist while we watch corporations stomp all over consumer rights. A person is far more likely to stand up against the next online pass or always on DRM if they took some baby steps here. I don't believe this boycott will financially hurt Zenimax (I could be wrong though) but it's a big step for gamers and I will support it.

Yes, the whole "let's play a deathmatch" thing was a turnoff for me too. This is no joke to be settled in a video game. Some fans are taking it seriously but we have to wonder if Notch is. I don't care though because Notch could say "everyone buy Skyrim" and it wouldn't change anything for me. I do agree that he could be a bit more professional though.

 

[RedDeadFred]

I never knew there was a boycott and I would never participate in it. To be honest. Even if this lawsuit destroyed Mojang as a company so that they could never make another game again, I would still be fine because I would know that I will still get to play great games from Bethesda.
P.S. I do love Minecraft though.

 

[falcon1985]

Eh, already have it on pre-order. I couldn't give less of a shit what some lawyers say/do. Bethesda's developers have nothing to do with this, so why boycott their game?

 

[TheTurtleMan]

Contradiction much? "They don't pay attention to boycotts but they do pay attention to sales", I believe a boycott may just prevent a few sales...

Also really?! you're not saying all boycotts are a waste of time? read your own post.

I said plainly in my post that boycotts are stupid, but I guess let me clarify my opinion that video game boycotts are stupid since you decided not to pay attention to my entire post.

I'm sticking to my opinion that game companies don't care about video game boycotts. Maybe if there was a boycott that cut a significant amount of purchases then I would look at them with more respect. Also like I said before, the small percentage that "boycotts" games have no obligation to staying true to the cause and may have bought the game despite their grievences.

So a huge boycott has to happen before you support it. Well if everyone who felt that way would just support it, it would be huge.

You are missing the point. I wouldn't support this boycott no matter how many people were involved because I don't think it is big enough an issue to warrant a boycott anyway. This is about company A suing company B because of legal concerns. The idea trying to put a major game company in time out, which would be boycotting, based solely on the fact that they aren't being nice to Mojang, is infantile.

I find it almost insulting that people seem to think that Mojang is incapable of legally defending itself. Mojang doesn't need a bastardized version of a boycott to legally defend itself from Bethesda. They need a good legal team who knows the business and actually has an idea of the charges being pressed by Bethesda.

 

[hawkeye52]

Firstly, who/what the hell is Notch? I read the whole post and no explanation!

Secondly, I am going to buy Skyrim.

Creator of the game minecraft and same.

 

[DAAANtheMAAAN]

Bethesda aren't bad people, their legal team are just being assholes who won't do the Quake 3 match.

Because they knew they'd lose. When a man tries to solve a legal dispute with a challenge to a game, he's got a card or two up his sleeve.

 

[Fieldy409_v1legacy]

It's funny because since mojang is a small developer it automatically means notch is the good guy in this. When nobody is really the good guy.

Retarded people logic- evil in an organisation increases with it's size.

 

[Troublesome Lagomorph]

While Notch's reaction to the matter WAS stupid, I still find it more stupid that Bethesda is butthurt because some other game somewhere has the word "Scrolls" in the title. Goodness Bethesda, I didn't know you owned the word scrolls! I assume you own the word Elder too, huh?
With that said... WHY ISN'T IT 11/11/11 YET D: SKYRIIIIIIM!

 

[Epona]

Contradiction much? "They don't pay attention to boycotts but they do pay attention to sales", I believe a boycott may just prevent a few sales...

Also really?! you're not saying all boycotts are a waste of time? read your own post.

I said plainly in my post that boycotts are stupid, but I guess let me clarify my opinion that video game boycotts are stupid since you decided not to pay attention to my entire post.

I'm sticking to my opinion that game companies don't care about video game boycotts. Maybe if there was a boycott that cut a significant amount of purchases then I would look at them with more respect. Also like I said before, the small percentage that "boycotts" games have no obligation to staying true to the cause and may have bought the game despite their grievences.

So a huge boycott has to happen before you support it. Well if everyone who felt that way would just support it, it would be huge.

You are missing the point. I wouldn't support this boycott no matter how many people were involved because I don't think it is big enough an issue to warrant a boycott anyway. This is about company A suing company B because of legal concerns. The idea trying to put a major game company in time out, which would be boycotting, based solely on the fact that they aren't being nice to Mojang, is infantile.

I find it almost insulting that people seem to think that Mojang is incapable of legally defending itself. Mojang doesn't need a bastardized version of a boycott to legally defend itself from Bethesda. They need a good legal team who knows the business and actually has an idea of the charges being pressed by Bethesda.

It would be stupid if Paramount sued Fox over the word Star too. It isn't "not being nice to Mojang".

 

[Clive Howlitzer]

People are boycotting Skyrim to play legos? Ohhh, those poor misguided fools!

 

[Ragsnstitches]

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I can't prove you wrong but maybe one of the boycotters can. I am not a boycotter, just don't appreciate the anti-boycott attitude on the escapist while we watch corporations stomp all over consumer rights. A person is far more likely to stand up against the next online pass or always on DRM if they took some baby steps here. I don't believe this boycott will financially hurt Zenimax (I could be wrong though) but it's a big step for gamers and I will support it.

Yes, the whole "let's play a deathmatch" thing was a turnoff for me too. This is no joke to be settled in a video game. Some fans are taking it seriously but we have to wonder if Notch is. I don't care though because Notch could say "everyone buy Skyrim" and it wouldn't change anything for me. I do agree that he could be a bit more professional though.

It's not as big a step as you think... personally, I think you are underselling consumer power here.

That said, I also doubt this will even cause Zeni to flinch (financially).

I'm not supporting Zeni, though I can appreciate their legal obligation. I don't hate Notch and I can respect his tenacity for protecting his product (though I question his actions thus far).

What I can't abide, is hate train justice. Zenimax did nothing wrong, followed their legal obligations to a letter, and kept it quiet to avoid public fallout (notch will suffer for this afterwards, wait and see if/when he delays an update or even final release of Minecraft, because of this)... now they are being judged by delusional zealots as some sort of oppressive regime. It's so over the top.

That's not a baby step to a mature user base. It is the opposite in fact, it's a face plant into a pit of immaturity and ignorance. I will call people out on that, regardless of other circumstances.

 

[Atmos Duality]

Bethesda aren't bad people, their legal team are just being assholes who won't do the Quake 3 match.

Because they knew they'd lose. When a man tries to solve a legal dispute with a challenge to a game, he's got a card or two up his sleeve.

Or he's a colossal idiot who doesn't take legal threats as seriously as he should.
This isn't a nobody copyright troll plying his trade; it's a renowned AAA game developer (or publisher, if you're referring to Zenimax).

In other news:
There's an awful lot of fanboy/anti-fanboy argumentation going on here, and not nearly as much factual information. Do we have the specific charges Bethesda is bringing against Mojang, or are we still just going to sit and spin on this endless wheel of "he-said-she-said" idiocy?

 

[sinestro1940]

Saviordd1, I was going to say something about this post, but then I saw you Republic Commando avatar. That automatically makes any point you made in your post valid and irrefutable.

 

[honestdiscussioner]

Skyrim will be far too awesome to boycott over this. As soon as Bethesda wants to gather up all my info and spread it around willy nilly, we can talk boycott then.

 

[Assassin Xaero]

Oblivion was too boring for me to get into, so I doubt I'll be wasting my time with Skyrim. Minecraft, well, since the 1.8 update, I've pretty much lost all interest in it. Scrolls I doubt I'll buy.

Second, Zenimax has all the right to sue Notch over this if they want to.

Sure, they may technically have the right to, but it is about as stupid as Brutal Legend getting sued for being competition for Guitar Hero. And so because you little fanboys are so in love with the elder scrolls series, nobody can put the word "scrolls" in their game title or else they should get sued? Which, honestly, nobody ever pays attention to that part. Nobody mentions "The Elder Scrolls [X]" part of the name unless it is to clarify. They say Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim...

Anyway, all I got from this was that you are a Skyrim fanboy who is crying about the Minecraft fanboys. So, have fun boycotting a boycott, I'll be enjoying myself playing Rage.