Why the Skyrim boycott is a waste of time and missing enjoyment.
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Could people shut up about how boycotts never work? The whole reason why boycotts like the MW2 don't pan out is because too many morons think "Lol, it'll never work anyway". You all need to learn that it is actually possible to make a difference if you actually do something.
Sitting on the sidelines and saying "it won't work" isn't helping anyone - In fact it just makes you look like a cynical douche eager to put down others to make yourself feel better.
Sitting on the sidelines and saying "it won't work" isn't helping anyone - In fact it just makes you look like a cynical douche eager to put down others to make yourself feel better.
Honestly, I can't take your opinion seriously. I'm not boycotting Skyrim, but I can see the value in it. It IS a David Vs Goliath situation.
How dare you be on the opposite side of a guy who offers a Quake 3 match to solve juridical disputes of possibly millions of dollars?! HOW DARE YOU!
You can drop the F-Bomb (not f***, fanboy. Wich is much worse on the internet) all you want. I hope the boycotting goes well and sound.
How dare you be on the opposite side of a guy who offers a Quake 3 match to solve juridical disputes of possibly millions of dollars?! HOW DARE YOU!
You can drop the F-Bomb (not f***, fanboy. Wich is much worse on the internet) all you want. I hope the boycotting goes well and sound.
I am not going to boycott skyrim because they are suing or legally trolling Mojang. I may however not buy the game and wait a year for the finished edition to come out, as all RPG's these days save the best for the 40$ dlc packs. That 40 ensures I get every single indie game released during steams winter sala, aka buy all the games ever made for under 500 bucks.
Yeah, it's just a shame that Skyrim looks like every other computer RPG out there now a days only with prettier graphics and maybe a different storyline. OH WAIT! I forgot about the DRAGONS! D: Good lord how could I forget that? Oh wait, no nevermind, dragons are commonplace in RPGs as well. B(
How about this, you fanboys on the other side of the fence convince me otherwise that Skyrim isn't just a rehashed RPG with updated graphics, and I might consider getting it.
How about this, you fanboys on the other side of the fence convince me otherwise that Skyrim isn't just a rehashed RPG with updated graphics, and I might consider getting it.
indeed how stupid of him to attempt to gain some support from the public, how dare he act like a real person instead of a fun sucking, money eating legal machine. people can boycott if they want to, it's not gonna keep the game out of your hands so THIS THREAD is pointless.Saviordd1 said:
fyi, i will not be boycotting skyrim, mostly because i have pre-ordered, but also mostly because im moist with excitement
He also offered to give up the trademark completely. And they declined. Although I don't have a law degree (although, you probably don't either), so there might be something I misunderstood. If you decide to reply to this I'd greatly appreciate it weren't as angry and purposely insulting as your post.Saviordd1 said:
But the boycotting is pretty damn stupid, considering it's not the developer of skyrim that sued mojang.
And why is everyone getting so angry before the case even goes to court?
Oooh... i don't know... maybe because they can?
Yeah, i'll go with that.
People can beleive what they want to beleive, and do what they want to do.
Problem?
Yeah, i'll go with that.
People can beleive what they want to beleive, and do what they want to do.
Problem?
I'm not buying the game, but only partly because of this suing business.
The other reason is because after play testing it, it felt really shit. Just Oblivion with a new map. (Oh and Dragons).
The other reason is because after play testing it, it felt really shit. Just Oblivion with a new map. (Oh and Dragons).
OH SNAP!Saviordd1 said:
No I do kid. But really the truth is 'the elder scrolls' series is OBVIOUSLY different to 'scrolls' and lets be brutally honest here - Scrolls simply isn't going to become big, the vast majority of people haven't even HEARD of notches other games! Even if he was stealing it (which he isn't of course) nobody will EVER know about it!
I can see why people are a bit irritated over such a pointless lawsuit.
But despite all this I agree - boycotting Skyrim is like taking a bucket of water out of the ocean of buyers. The fact of the matter is - MineCraft and Skyrim have 2 very different audiences, you probably weren't even going to buy the game anyway! Hell! About 100 of the people boycotting it at most would have MAYBE bought it, that's really not going to hurt their sales.
So just swallow your pathetic block-breaking pride and get over it, buy the damn game and enjoy yourselves you fools! Because in the end you're always going to be a minority and as the fine chap who started this damned thread said:
Saviordd1 said:
Like most of these "boycotts", I'm going to ignore it. I love both Minecraft and Elder Scrolls, and I plan on getting Skyrim, and I still plan on continuing playing Minecraft, so I really don't give a shit about the behind-the-scenes drama between the two companies. As long as I get to play my games, they can have open war with each other for all I care.
...is notch being stupid for bringing it to public and laughing about it? I think not, i would do the same, it's just ridiculous, and i expect and hope Zenimax to get its ass kicked hard and laughed on at the trial.
and NO, bethesda DOESN'T have a point about The Elder Scrolls and Scrolls getting mixed up.
Have you EVER heard ANYONE (friend/family member/even MEDIA) to call ANY TES game "Scrolls", or even "Elder Scrolls"? I have not. EVER. Everyone (EVEN THE MEDIA) are calling all those games by their subtitle, Arena, Daggerfall, Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim, or, at best, they put TES in front of it (TES: Arena, TES: Daggerfall, TES: Morrowind, TES: Oblivion, TES: Skyrim).
I have NEVER, EVER heard, seen or read anyone to call any of those games otherwise than by their subtitles, Bethesda's "point" is weak, ridiculous, nonsensical and meaningless.
And i approve of the boycott and hope it decreases the expected sales at least 15%, game/software companies need to start learning/feeling that when they act stupid they hurt themselves. And we, gamers, need to start learning that we have the power AND responsibility to punish companies that act stupid.
and NO, bethesda DOESN'T have a point about The Elder Scrolls and Scrolls getting mixed up.
Have you EVER heard ANYONE (friend/family member/even MEDIA) to call ANY TES game "Scrolls", or even "Elder Scrolls"? I have not. EVER. Everyone (EVEN THE MEDIA) are calling all those games by their subtitle, Arena, Daggerfall, Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim, or, at best, they put TES in front of it (TES: Arena, TES: Daggerfall, TES: Morrowind, TES: Oblivion, TES: Skyrim).
I have NEVER, EVER heard, seen or read anyone to call any of those games otherwise than by their subtitles, Bethesda's "point" is weak, ridiculous, nonsensical and meaningless.
And i approve of the boycott and hope it decreases the expected sales at least 15%, game/software companies need to start learning/feeling that when they act stupid they hurt themselves. And we, gamers, need to start learning that we have the power AND responsibility to punish companies that act stupid.
I don't even get the point of the boycott. Buy the game if you think you'll like it, don't if you don't. Don't let the business side of the company influence you unless they're directly screwing you. (In other words, if you feel you must boycott someone, boycott EA, not Zenimax.)
I will admit I'm not entirely certain why Zenimax isn't dropping the suit with Mojang's offer to switch to Scrolls: Subtitle, an offer which included dropping the "scrolls" trademark altogether. At that point, the only way anyone could be screwed by that trademark is if they tried to use the word "scrolls" and the subtitle together, something I would think should be easy to avoid. Furthermore, I don't know about other countries, but I know that in the US you can't trademark a single word anyway. A unique misspelling of a word, yes (like the "chek" in QuickChek). A style of writing a word, as for a logo, sure (I know Zenimax doesn't own the trademark to the words "elder scrolls," but if they don't own the trademark to the words "Elder Scrolls" in that fancy font, they're doing the whole "business" thing wrong). The word itself, no; that's why that whole thing where Rosie O'Donnell tried to sue a radio show that had "Rosie" in the name got thrown out.
I will admit I'm not entirely certain why Zenimax isn't dropping the suit with Mojang's offer to switch to Scrolls: Subtitle, an offer which included dropping the "scrolls" trademark altogether. At that point, the only way anyone could be screwed by that trademark is if they tried to use the word "scrolls" and the subtitle together, something I would think should be easy to avoid. Furthermore, I don't know about other countries, but I know that in the US you can't trademark a single word anyway. A unique misspelling of a word, yes (like the "chek" in QuickChek). A style of writing a word, as for a logo, sure (I know Zenimax doesn't own the trademark to the words "elder scrolls," but if they don't own the trademark to the words "Elder Scrolls" in that fancy font, they're doing the whole "business" thing wrong). The word itself, no; that's why that whole thing where Rosie O'Donnell tried to sue a radio show that had "Rosie" in the name got thrown out.
If he really did offer the trademark on the name Scrolls to them then this argument has no merit. By owning the trademark to the title Scrolls there would be no possible infringement on their Elder Scrolls trademark since they would own both and Notch couldn't claim any rights to it beyond his being allowed to use it for that one game. Which means he wouldn't be able to sue them or anything. The argument that using it would in some way confuse customers also holds no weight since the games are quite different, and the it makes use of one word from a trademarked title. A fairly common word that anyone can use, but which no one uses to actually refer to the Elder Scrolls.Saviordd1 said:
Matters taken to court, including lawsuits such as this are matters of public record. There is no right or expectation of privacy, so Notch is doing nothing wrong by keeping his fanbase in the loop about what's going on, especially when he'll probably be making all of these points in court if things go that far. And I'm pretty sure his earlier comments, such as posting the initial letter and challenging them to a Quake deathmatch were probably made in a tongue in cheek fashion because the whole thing seemed like an over zealous lawyer taking the reigns and trying to bully a smaller company into changing a title without any real legal ground to stand on. I'm not sure anyone really thought at first that they would actually file a lawsuit.
I'll be skipping Skyrim, but not because Notch says he's innocent. I don't play Minecraft, and likely never will as it simply doesn't interest me. I don't believe that Bethesda actually has a legal leg to stand on with this lawsuit though, and the whole thing smacks of trying to push around a smaller company (despite their success, Mojang is not in the same league as Zenimax in terms of resources) to get them to agree to a settlement that they shouldn't have to. So since I was on the fence about Skyrim before, I've decided to skip it entirely. No skin off my back since I've enjoyed games like Oblivion and FO3, but they certainly weren't anything spectacular.
Always find it hilarious when someone goes "NO! DON'T BOYCOTT THIS GAME IDIOTS!!!!" The entire point of a boycott is to show disapproval over a companies practices, which could involve either the product itself or any other such choices. (Which is why it's a good idea to, when you boycott, to accompany it with an email or letter signifying why you didn't buy the product) No matter what the issue someone has that causes them to boycott, I think it's pretty self-righteous for anyone to say that issue isn't important enough for it.
And for the record, I'll be buying Skyrim because MOTHER FUCKING DRAGONS! Also because this isn't an issue I particularly care about, even if I think the lawsuit is ridiculously bullshit.
And for the record, I'll be buying Skyrim because MOTHER FUCKING DRAGONS! Also because this isn't an issue I particularly care about, even if I think the lawsuit is ridiculously bullshit.