Why was my thread locked?

[[guys_its_ok]]

inb4 this thread locks!!!!

 

[molesgallus]

I still don't know how to find a mod. Where can I find mods?

If you need to contact someone about a problem with a moderator, please Private Message [user]Kuliani[/user].

Like right there? ^^

Sorry, you guys were telling me to contact a mod to ask for their rationale, not directly complain about them.

And that comment about Michael Bay is clearly ironic. And at worst, irrelevant.

Wait, what? How is it ironic? And not irrelevant since it was full of stuff like that.
Quote Pics from your thread since it wont let me quote

and my favorite

All of those are ironic. In fact, the third one is actually satirising anyone who might take the thread, or his post seriously. He suggests killing fictional, and historical figures for absurd reasons; how can you not see the irony in that, never mind take it seriously?

I suppose you think Yahtzee is a misogynistic, racist, homophobic, bigot?

 

[molesgallus]

Because talking about people you want to kill is frowned upon in civilised internet societies?

Possibly. Unlike real society, where our rulers talk about it every day; and then actually do it...

 

[fletch_talon]

Probably because the correct answer to "who would you kill" is (or should be) nobody.

With the exception of life or death situations.

 

[molesgallus]

It's like going: "Hey guys, let's tempt arrest by discussing people we have considered killing!"

I'm surprised it wasn't locked sooner.

There is no law against wanting to kill someone. And there is definitely no law against discussing who you might kill in a hypothetical world.

It might not be illegal to want to kill someone, but I believe there is possibly a social stigma about discussing people you'd like to kill, even in a hypothetical sense. People use the word "hypothetical" far too much.

It is a hypothetical scenario. Do you mean they use the word 'wrongly', or out of context? Because it definitely applies in this scenario. If someone feels there is a potential social stigma, they were free to ignore the post. It only seems fair to leave it open for those who didn't feel there was a social stigma, though.

It's like those people that get arrested for having child porn. They might not be interested in doing things to children, but for all intents and purposes, to outsiders it looks like they are.

It is nothing like that. Child porn clearly shouldn't exist, and endorsing it by having it on your computer is wrong. It's more like discussing whether you are attracted to children. It isn't illegal, although there is clearly a social stigma attached to it. However, that isn't, in itself, grounds to abolish it's discussion. People aren't forced to join in, or even tell the truth.

 

[smallharmlesskitten]

All of those are ironic. In fact, the third one is actually satirising anyone who might take the thread, or his post seriously. He suggests killing fictional, and historical figures for absurd reasons; how can you not see the irony in that, never mind take it seriously?

I suppose you think Yahtzee is a misogynistic, racist, homophobic, bigot?

http://virgotex.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/logic-youre-doing-it-wrong.jpg

This applies yo your statement sir. Methinks you misunderstand Irony.

Let me tell you something.
Discussing Murder is a distasteful subject. This website is PG13. This website is primarly about gaming and nerdom.

MATH. DO IT

 

[MrDarkling]

And in what way is postulating a hypothetical scenario morally wrong?

Not about how morally wrong it is, it just can upset people and disturb that their fellow human would think of such a discussion.
That and it has a high chance it could cause DRAMA in the forums which it certainly has; to such an extent that it has come here where people can further argue if the thread should have been made, locked or whatever.

It should really be a point every single thread-maker should consider before making a thread.

"Does my subject have a high chance of causing drama/upset/flamewars?"

On a final note you even added the discussion of if you'd kill someone for their possessions?
You might as well go into a graveyard and piss on their grave.
No offence dude but no matter how "Hypothetical" you can make that discussion it was going to piss off a lot of people either way, the mods must have seen this and ended it before shit really hit the fan.

 

[Blackadder51]

All of those are ironic. In fact, the third one is actually satirising anyone who might take the thread, or his post seriously. He suggests killing fictional, and historical figures for absurd reasons; how can you not see the irony in that, never mind take it seriously?

I suppose you think Yahtzee is a misogynistic, racist, homophobic, bigot?

This sir, is a description of irony, in none of the pics is that shown.
One of the most misused words in the entire English language.

There are several types of irony.

Socratic irony - When someone pretends to be naive about a certain subject, and uses his questions about it to point out a flaw in the established belief. This is often used on the TV show South Park, where the children often ask questions about a situation until the folly in a parent's decision becomes clear.

Sarcasm - Understatement, mocking overstatement, or heavy-handed irony (stating the flat opposite of the truth) where both parties are aware of the difference between what's said and what's actually happening.

Situational Irony - The irony that most people think of. A difference between what you expect to happen (in a story, for example) and what actually happens. Rain on your wedding day would be a sort-of example, because a wedding day is generally expected to be a perfect, happy day. The good advice you didn't take, however, would NOT be irony, because that has nothing to do with what is expected and what isn't expected. A traffic jam when you're already late wouldn't be irony either; there's no automatic expectation that traffic will be fine, just because you happen to be late.

Irony of Fate - The concept that the Gods, Fates, etc. are toying with humans for amusement by using irony. Beethoven's loss of hearing is a famous example; one would expect a composer to be able to hear his compositions, but fate denied him that ability.

Tragic (Dramatic) Irony - When the audience knows something that some of the characters don't know in a play/movie/novel/whatever. For example, when the horror flick psycho is in the house and the homeowner just goes in without suspecting anything.
So, yeah, Alanis was wrong in a lot of her song, but there ARE some examples of irony in there - and a few that are kinda-sorta, but could be better. The old man who buys a lottery ticket is one; it would be a better example if he won, and then died of a heart attack from the shock of winning..

So its ironic as its a joke....?

Ha Ha Ha?

And they added to the discussion how? (thats the point i was trying to make)


No i dont think that Mr Croshaw is a misogynistic, racist, homophobic, bigot.

 

[molesgallus]

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The majority of people that agree that the thread should have been locked in this very thread.

If you can't see why it's wrong, there's no point in me even responding to you.

The total response to this thread is only a fraction of the response to that thread, and no one, as far as I saw, posted there disagreement in the original thread. In fact, over 300 people voted in the thread, all endorsing it's existence. This thread would have to produce at least as many objections to it's existence, for your opinion to be in the 'majority of people'.

I can see why you think it is wrong, but I feel it is equally wrong to enforce your opinions on others, disallowing them the chance to discuss something because you feel the topic is 'wrong'.

 

[RoyalWelsh]

Because talking about people you want to kill is frowned upon in civilised internet societies?

Possibly. Unlike real society, where our rulers talk about it every day; and then actually do it...

Real world or not, it's still not nice to talk about who want's who killed.

 

[molesgallus]

All of those are ironic. In fact, the third one is actually satirising anyone who might take the thread, or his post seriously. He suggests killing fictional, and historical figures for absurd reasons; how can you not see the irony in that, never mind take it seriously?

I suppose you think Yahtzee is a misogynistic, racist, homophobic, bigot?

This sir, is a description of irony, in none of the pics is that shown.
One of the most misused words in the entire English language.

There are several types of irony.

Socratic irony - When someone pretends to be naive about a certain subject, and uses his questions about it to point out a flaw in the established belief. This is often used on the TV show South Park, where the children often ask questions about a situation until the folly in a parent's decision becomes clear.

Sarcasm - Understatement, mocking overstatement, or heavy-handed irony (stating the flat opposite of the truth) where both parties are aware of the difference between what's said and what's actually happening.

Situational Irony - The irony that most people think of. A difference between what you expect to happen (in a story, for example) and what actually happens. Rain on your wedding day would be a sort-of example, because a wedding day is generally expected to be a perfect, happy day. The good advice you didn't take, however, would NOT be irony, because that has nothing to do with what is expected and what isn't expected. A traffic jam when you're already late wouldn't be irony either; there's no automatic expectation that traffic will be fine, just because you happen to be late.

Irony of Fate - The concept that the Gods, Fates, etc. are toying with humans for amusement by using irony. Beethoven's loss of hearing is a famous example; one would expect a composer to be able to hear his compositions, but fate denied him that ability.

Tragic (Dramatic) Irony - When the audience knows something that some of the characters don't know in a play/movie/novel/whatever. For example, when the horror flick psycho is in the house and the homeowner just goes in without suspecting anything.
So, yeah, Alanis was wrong in a lot of her song, but there ARE some examples of irony in there - and a few that are kinda-sorta, but could be better. The old man who buys a lottery ticket is one; it would be a better example if he won, and then died of a heart attack from the shock of winning..

So its ironic as its a joke....?

Ha Ha Ha?

And they added to the discussion how? (thats the point i was trying to make)


No i dont think that Mr Croshaw is a misogynistic, racist, homophobic, bigot.

It's an ironic joke. The irony is what makes it a joke.

They added to the discussion by introducing humour, and satirizing those who might take the subject too seriously. Adding balance to the discussion.

And, good. You've either never seen his work, or you normally understand irony. Or maybe you just don't want to appear to not understand irony...

 

[Da_Schwartz]

Prob for the rare chance of someone being killed in real life..blaming it on the escapist and it's openly homocidal views and violent video game content, and then walking away a free man.

 

[molesgallus]

And in what way is postulating a hypothetical scenario morally wrong?

Not about how morally wrong it is, it just can upset people and disturb that their fellow human would think of such a discussion.
That and it has a high chance it could cause DRAMA in the forums which it certainly has; to such an extent that it has come here where people can further argue if the thread should have been made, locked or whatever.

It should really be a point every single thread-maker should consider before making a thread.

"Does my subject have a high chance of causing drama/upset/flamewars?"

On a final note you even added the discussion of if you'd kill someone for their possessions?
You might as well go into a graveyard and piss on their grave.
No offence dude but no matter how "Hypothetical" you can make that discussion it was going to piss off a lot of people either way, the mods must have seen this and ended it before shit really hit the fan.

What are the purpose of forums if you can't discuss anything that might cause some people distress? Surely that eliminates almost all topics?

The property thing is the element of reality to the hypothetical scenario. Man has killed man for thousands of years over property. I was simply wondering whether that was the primary motivation, or whether people might have other motivations.

How insular, and protective has society become when people can't discuss hypothetical scenarios about people being killed, when their governments, and fellow country men are killing millions every year?

 

[molesgallus]

Prob for the rare chance of someone being killed in real life..blaming it on the escapist and it's openly homocidal views and violent video game content, and then walking away a free man.

I doubt that defence would hold up in a court of law... And, presumably thats got nothing to do with my post.

 

[ProfessorLayton]

people were being bullied for having virtues and morals

I wish every thread like that could be locked... it's pretty disgusting... I would go into it, but I got sent a warning last time I brought it up.

 

[Lord Mountbatten Reborn]

It is a hypothetical scenario. Do you mean they use the word 'wrongly', or out of context? Because it definitely applies in this scenario. If someone feels there is a potential social stigma, they were free to ignore the post. It only seems fair to leave it open for those who didn't feel there was a social stigma, though.

Quite a few people use the word "hypothetical" as a mask to say, "this is what I want to happen, but in the interests of making myself look less disturbing I'm going to try and distance myself from that by using this word that creates alternate situations". That is not to say all people do it, but some most certainly do.

It is nothing like that. Child porn clearly shouldn't exist, and endorsing it by having it on your computer is wrong.

Like having a thread that endorses killing people? You might say some of the posts are ironic (yes some, but the Michael Bay one is not ironic, so I assume the definition of ironic was misinterpreted), but some most certainly aren't.

Would you publicly act as though you are planning to commit a crime? I'm fairly certain you can get arrested for presumed intent, if not execution. That's what pre-emptive police raids are all about after all. Sure you might sound jokey, but people have been arrested for making jokes (e.g. Jokes about bombs when in an airport) before.

As a participant in a discussion, I can understand your point of view here. However, from the point of view of a website that doesn't want to attract negative attention to itself, especially if someone on here might wish to report the thread to the authorities, with a thread about killing people with no repercussions (we gamers look like real socialites now) gaining quite a bit of popularity, you can see that locking such a thread might be a useful course of action, if not for you, then for the website.

You keep arguing why it shouldn't be locked, when your question was to ask why it was locked. This is my interpretation of why it was locked.

 

[Blackadder51]

It's an ironic joke. The irony is what makes it a joke.

No. What the fuck? That does not make sense. What is ironic? It is a joke at most, but sir it is not fucking ironic.

They added to the discussion by introducing humour, and satirizing those who might take the subject too seriously. Adding balance to the discussion.

Which done in real life is like going to a test or a court session and taking off your pants, yelling BOOBIES and running out, in order to introduce some humor and balance out the situation.

And, good. You've either never seen his work, or you normally understand irony. Or maybe you just don't want to appear to not understand irony...

How are his videos ironic?