Why We Need A War - 5th Generation Fighters

[RA92]

I greatly dislike war and would desire that we not waste taxpayer money on this crap. Why don't we focus on simple things like providing food/water/shelter to each and every American citizen?

Shameful waste, yet another American ideal.
I'm seriously considering moving to Canada, since they don't waste their money on crap like this.

That's not even the worst aspect. The manufacturers use taxpayers' money for the development of these hardwares, thus socializing that cost, but privatizes all the profit.

 

[RA92]

What about the Eurofighter?

Technically, the EF2000 is 4.5 Gen... not that that stops it from being a tremendous fighter. Also you forgot something:

For the uninitiated: 5th generation fighters are the most advanced aircrafts, designed to incorporate numerous technological advancements, including all-aspect stealth even when armed, Low Probability of Intercept Radar (LPIR), high-performance air frames, advanced avionics features, and highly integrated computer systems capable of networking with other elements within the theater of war in order to achieve an advantage in situational awareness, and automatically connects you to Facebook which is extremely useful as the advanced fighters use social networking to further their goal of overthrowing their mushy organic overlords.

 

[BonsaiK]

I ask you: hypothetically, if all these projects are completed without a hitch, which region d'ya think will end up having the upper hand in ariel combat?

Well it's a completely ridiculous scenario because the US and Russia and China are never going to go to war with each other, for blatantly obvious economic reasons which I'm not going to point out on this forum yet again.

Assuming the hypothetical scenario did happen though (and I stress time and time again, it won't - not now, not ever) then China would easily win because they've got far more efficient manufacturing than any other country so they'll simply be able to build more of the things. I could be wrong, but then it doesn't really matter if I'm wrong or right anyway because this scenario will never happen.

 

[Private Custard]

I ask you: hypothetically, if all these projects are completed without a hitch, which region d'ya think will end up having the upper hand in ariel combat?

Well it's a completely ridiculous scenario because the US and Russia and China are never going to go to war with each other, for blatantly obvious economic reasons which I'm not going to point out on this forum yet again.

Assuming the hypothetical scenario did happen though (and I stress time and time again, it won't - not now, not ever) then China would easily win because they've got far more efficient manufacturing than any other country so they'll simply be able to build more of the things. I could be wring, but then it doesn't really matter if I'm wrong or right anyway because this scenario will never happen.

This isn't 1918 though. You don't just fight in the air and keep throwing new aircraft and newly trained pilots up there to replace the ones lost. Destroying the enemies infrastructure is the first thing that's done nowadays. In that respect, I'd go with the U.S. as they've had more practise in recent years!

Never gonna happen though. Everyone's way too tied in to each others economies to risk it all with a world war. Money is all-powerful nowadays!

 

[BonsaiK]

I ask you: hypothetically, if all these projects are completed without a hitch, which region d'ya think will end up having the upper hand in ariel combat?

Well it's a completely ridiculous scenario because the US and Russia and China are never going to go to war with each other, for blatantly obvious economic reasons which I'm not going to point out on this forum yet again.

Assuming the hypothetical scenario did happen though (and I stress time and time again, it won't - not now, not ever) then China would easily win because they've got far more efficient manufacturing than any other country so they'll simply be able to build more of the things. I could be wring, but then it doesn't really matter if I'm wrong or right anyway because this scenario will never happen.

This isn't 1918 though. You don't just fight in the air and keep throwing new aircraft and newly trained pilots up there to replace the ones lost. Destroying the enemies infrastructure is the first thing that's done nowadays. In that respect, I'd go with the U.S. as they've had more practise in recent years!

Never gonna happen though. Everyone's way too tied in to each others economies to risk it all with a world war. Money is all-powerful nowadays!

I'd still go with the Chinese for exactly the point you raised, because their craft is a bomber, therefore more capable of destroying infrastructure. And if any country has the resources to just keep building aircraft and throwing newly-trained pilots up in the sky to bomb shit, it's China. But yeah I don't know why I'm even replying here because as you say this scenario won't happen in the life-time of anybody reading this right now.

 

[RA92]

I ask you: hypothetically, if all these projects are completed without a hitch, which region d'ya think will end up having the upper hand in ariel combat?

Well it's a completely ridiculous scenario because the US and Russia and China are never going to go to war with each other, for blatantly obvious economic reasons which I'm not going to point out on this forum yet again.

Assuming the hypothetical scenario did happen though (and I stress time and time again, it won't - not now, not ever) then China would easily win because they've got far more efficient manufacturing than any other country so they'll simply be able to build more of the things. I could be wrong, but then it doesn't really matter if I'm wrong or right anyway because this scenario will never happen.

You've been nija'd.

Look, see my stab at a joke about Churchill? Why is it funny? Because in context of the economy and military state of that time (everything was in shambles after WW2), it was absurd. And so is the idea of a war involving USA, China and Russia. America's investments are tied up in China and vice versa, and the Russian economy is just picking up after decades. It's common knowledge. I simply assumed everyone would be able to put it in context and see the humor (hell, even the Cold War wasn't crazy enough to wage a war just to see who has better hardware). I even put that goddamned emoticon!

Which is why I put in the 'hypothetically' bit. And trust me, building 'more of the things' will not help in ariel warfare if the Chinese can't get their aircrafts' RCS and IR signature down. Having more MiGs and MiLs than the Afghans didn't help the Russians win when the Mujahideen were armed with Stinger missiles.

 

[DannyZilla]

In the words of Ben "Yhatzee" Crowshaw, can someone please just start a war with America? Russia or China would be good, hell, i'd even say the U.K. could give them a run for their money...

 

[RA92]

Economics trumps all.

Killing each other is bad business.

Mhm.

Peace = $$$

This much is true.

Funny. The defence contractors seem to disagree with you.

Spoiler: The world's top 5 largest military budgets in 2009. Figures sourced from SIPRI.

Not necessarily my view of how the world should be, but how the world is. Though yes, a USA vs China vs Russia war is impossible - which I already mentioned (rather wearily) in my last post.

 

[martin's a madman]

Economics trumps all.

Killing each other is bad business.

Mhm.

Peace = $$$

This much is true.

Funny. The defence contractors seem to disagree with you.

Spoiler: The world's top 5 largest military budgets in 2009. Figures sourced from SIPRI.

Not necessarily my view of how the world should be, but how the world is. Though yes, a USA vs China vs Russia war is impossible - which I already mentioned (rather wearily) in my last post.

Yes but the Governments are perfectly content to simply have the powerful military without ever having to fully use it.

Rich nations don't fight rich nations any more.

You have a rich nation who tries to fight a poor nation in order to gain control of resources the poor nation can't fully exploit.

 

[martin's a madman]

None of them - in nuclear fallout everyone is a looser. Something that ensures we *hopefully* will never see wars like WW1 and WW2 again.

Actually, hydrogen bomb bets nuclear.

By approximately 10/1

The hydrogen bomb is Nuclear.

Nuclear means of the nucleus, it means that instead of an exchange of electrons, the Nuclei of atoms are actually combined or split apart forming different elements.


For Fission (Atomic bomb), the atoms are split,

For Fusion (The Hydrogen bomb), the atoms are combined.

Both release immense amounts of energy and will seriously ruin your day.

 

[RA92]

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Yes but the Governments are perfectly content to simply have the powerful military without ever having to fully use it.

Rich nations don't fight rich nations any more.

You have a rich nation who tries to fight a poor nation in order to gain control of resources the poor nation can't fully exploit.

Which I already mentioned when I said a USA vs China vs Russia war is impossible considering current economic conditions. Look - this was never a political discussion (I intentionally didn't put it in Religion and Politics), but rather a discussion on the performance of these aircrafts. You missed a major point:

I ask you: hypothetically, if all these projects are completed without a hitch, which region d'ya think will end up having the upper hand in ariel combat?

 

[martin's a madman]

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Yes but the Governments are perfectly content to simply have the powerful military without ever having to fully use it.

Rich nations don't fight rich nations any more.

You have a rich nation who tries to fight a poor nation in order to gain control of resources the poor nation can't fully exploit.

Which I already mentioned when I said a USA vs China vs Russia war is impossible considering current economic conditions. Look - this was never a political discussion (I intentionally didn't put it in Religion and Politics), but rather a discussion on the performance of these aircrafts. You missed a major point:

I ask you: hypothetically, if all these projects are completed without a hitch, which region d'ya think will end up having the upper hand in ariel combat?

But, I think it is a bit silly to speculate on the performance of any of these aircraft against another one unless someone is an aerospace engineer, or technician with intimate knowledge of them all.

 

[RA92]

But, I think it is a bit silly to speculate on the performance of any of these aircraft against another one unless someone is an aerospace engineer, or technician with intimate knowledge of them all.

Believe it or not, there are aficionados out there who've enough knowledge to speculate. Personally, I've read a lot of first-hand accounts of pilots, defense advisors and war games on these aircrafts, and speculation comes in where there are conflicting information. The stats are all out there. Anyway, I was just seeing if there are people with similar interests in the Escapist - didn't expect to be dragged into political discussions or accusations of being politically incorrect. And I really don't care what you think is silly, and will ignore any of your posts that is off-topic.

 

[martin's a madman]

But, I think it is a bit silly to speculate on the performance of any of these aircraft against another one unless someone is an aerospace engineer, or technician with intimate knowledge of them all.

Believe it or not, there are aficionados out there who've enough knowledge to speculate. Personally, I've read a lot of first-hand accounts of pilots, defense advisors and war games on these aircrafts, and speculation comes in where there are conflicting information. The stats are all out there. Anyway, I was just seeing if there are people with similar interests in the Escapist - didn't expect to be dragged into political discussions or accusations of being politically incorrect. And I really don't care what you think is silly, and will ignore any of your posts that is off-topic.

Right-o. Noted.