Wife beating is now legal in the UAE.
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This gave me a good laugh.
I swear arguing basic principles with anyone who's read Orientalism is an impossible task. Everything becomes an indefinable mush so no one can say anything invalid.
It seems any aspects of Eastern culture that brutalize, socially retard and reward viscous religious bigots power are above criticism but our own "oligarchic hypercapitalists" run system is open season.
I swear arguing basic principles with anyone who's read Orientalism is an impossible task. Everything becomes an indefinable mush so no one can say anything invalid.
It seems any aspects of Eastern culture that brutalize, socially retard and reward viscous religious bigots power are above criticism but our own "oligarchic hypercapitalists" run system is open season.
1.) Islam is not a nation.Dragunai said:
2.) Dubai is not a nation.
3.) "Muslim" countries may have an income "only" due to oil, but is that worse than enslaving half of the world like the UK did? What do you think "western" societies' main source of income was before the 20th century?
As a Muslim, I am completely against resorting to violence. I've said it many times and I'll say it again; I am in favour of equality for everyone, no matter what their religion, skin colour, gender, age or sexual orientation is.
To all of you saying "it's alright to smack a kid to teach him a lesson, but not a full-grown woman", isn't that a bit hypocritical?
Personally, I would almost never hit/beat anyone, especially not a female. However, there are cases where I would hit/beat a person and break all the bones in their body:
- theft
- robbery
- threatening with death
- assault with or without deadly weapons/objects
- etc.
Those can leave bruises too. I've left welts on someone just using a tennis ball in a sock, and that's far less dense than a phonebook.RhombusHatesYou said:
No smacking a child teaches it that when it does something bad it will be punished. Smacking a full grown women is just violence toward someone who is old enough to make their own decisions and act as they want without some "Man" hitting her for wanting her own life and freedoms.ActivatorX said:
So no its not hypocritical, in fact you calling it hypocritical is probably the stupidest thing you could have said in light of the matter.
Moving on:
How is it that rape, peadophilia and murder didnt pop up on your list of "crimes I'd wreck someone for" in place of the lowest ranking crimes known to civilised society?
I am the least violent human being alive but if I saw some dude touching a child or trying to rape a chick I would go Chuck Norris on his ass (57 round house kicks to the face, naturally) because those crimes ruin the victims life forever.
Robbery and theft? Oh no my shit got stolen TIME TO GO WRECK A DUDE and break every bone in his body! because THATS an appropriate responce to something that your insurance company can fix in 1 phone call.
and why is it in the media its always refered to as the "Nation of Islam" ?
As for Dubai my bad I didnt know it was one of the 7 members of the UAE, so I apologise for my ignorance.
As for the main source of income from the weste you might want to research "Arabic slavers" because most of the slave trade started in the middle east. Should you read Jacob in the bible and the equivilent story in the Qur'an you will see that slaving was being conducted by Arabic people a good few hundred years before it ever arrived in the EU and even then it was mainly the blacks in africa and the Arabs who did most of the slaving, it was just whitey who took the blame as usual.
Yeh the English moved and sold them but they were just 1 cog in the machine.
Incedently most of the EUs income in the last 2-3 Centuaries was from the spice trades.
See also for reference the origins of Pepper as a spice and the East India Company.
Devil westerner scores again
1.) You aren't supposed to smack anyone without a valid reason. If a kid breaks something of yours unintentionally one time, is that a good reason to hit him/her? It's different if the child is not willing to listen and keeps on doing horrible stuff for no reason; then, of course, it is appropriate to smack him/her. Kids are human beings too, just like women.Dragunai said:
2.) I said "etc." on my list. What makes you think I am not against those things? Just because I didn't specify every possible type of crime, doesn't mean I'm not against all of them.
Robbery and theft ARE a serious crime and deserve serious punishment. Let's say, for example, I'm a poor student who lives in the countryside, 100 kilometers away from college and my only means of transportation is a 10 year old car (no buses, no trains). One day, a guy comes along and snatches my car, because I'm so poor I can't afford a car alarm nor insurance for the car. That person ruined my life. What would you do/say about that? This is just an example, it didn't happen to me.
3.) I've never heard any media refer to it as "the Nation of Islam." For your information, the countries in the Middle East aren't even close to being 100% pure Muslim countries, they are far from it; infact, Indonesia takes the cake with I believe 89% of its inhabitants being Muslim.
4.) You took my statement of the UK enslaving half of the world too literally. I wasn't talking only about slavery - I was talking about the UK's colonies.
Spices? Really? Where do you think those spices and shit came from? Are you sure the spices and such were from the UK? Here's an example - tea. Yeah, I bet England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have perfect conditions for growing tea plants.
5.) I criticise everything and everyone, even certain aspects of my own religion, and I'm willing to admit it. The UK, the UAE, the USA, France, Netherlands and so on, are no exception to it.
I assume you are from the UK. If you are willing to criticise others (other cultures, traditions, countries, etc.) you have to be willing to take a damn good look at your own before opening your mouth. If you just criticise everything but your own (country or whatever), you are a hypocrite and perhaps a few other things.
6.) "Devil westerner" scores again.
I'm sorry but I find this degrading. Not every Muslim is an anti-westerner. Not every Muslim goes on the streets and shouts "Death to America!" or "Western infidels must die!".
Im south african, English descent.ActivatorX said:
So before you harp on the cheap shot / easy mark of "oh but your a racist" Thats the Afrikaans (Dutch bloodlines) not mine.
Now down to business:
"1.) You aren't supposed to smack anyone without a valid reason. If a kid breaks something of yours unintentionally one time, is that a good reason to hit him/her? It's different if the child is not willing to listen and keeps on doing horrible stuff for no reason; then, of course, it is appropriate to smack him/her. Kids are human beings too, just like women."
Correct you dont run around wailing on people for the slighest thing, that is excessive force and frankly its classed as abuse. However if you catch your 9yr old stealing cigarettes then its a totally legit time to give them a light slap on the ass and a firm "No!"
My mom used to do that to me as a kid and ive grown up not smoking, only started touching booze when I was about 19 out of disinteret and I dont have a criminal record.
However beating on a woman because she doesnt obey you?
That in the west is called spousal abuse.
"2.) I said "etc." on my list. What makes you think I am not against those things? Just because I didn't specify every possible type of crime, doesn't mean I'm not against all of them.
Robbery and theft ARE a serious crime and deserve serious punishment. Let's say, for example, I'm a poor student who lives in the countryside, 100 kilometers away from college and my only means of transportation is a 10 year old car (no buses, no trains). One day, a guy comes along and snatches my car, because I'm so poor I can't afford a car alarm nor insurance for the car. That person ruined my life. What would you do/say about that? This is just an example, it didn't happen to me."
Granted yes the scenario mentioned is harsh, however your car insurance will replace it and tbh the guy prolly did you a favour as you can now buy a nice new one ^^
Jokes aside, I dont deny robbery and theft are bad but I would be more inclined to see a rapist hung than a thief.
"3.) I've never heard any media refer to it as "the Nation of Islam." For your information, the countries in the Middle East aren't even close to being 100% pure Muslim countries, they are far from it; infact, Indonesia takes the cake with I believe 89% of its inhabitants being Muslim."
Its called the nation of Islam alot, maybe we just read different papers or watch different news stations but in the end here in the EU and the USA it is commonly known as the nation of islam, its not so much a reference to the middle east or a physical place as much as it is a reference to the collective of the Muslim people as a whole. For your information.
^_^
"4.) You took my statement of the UK enslaving half of the world too literally. I wasn't talking only about slavery - I was talking about the UK's colonies.
Spices? Really? Where do you think those spices and shit came from? Are you sure the spices and such were from the UK? Here's an example - tea. Yeah, I bet England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have perfect conditions for growing tea plants."
Yes of course you werent "being literal" about the slave trade, now that I completely upstaged your position on it. Still Your right the colonies were wrong but take into consideration that colonies like Cape town were founded on neutral uninhabited land yet still become part of a "Your persecuting the natives" arguement. Most of SA was founded in neutral land and counties like Rhodesia (now called Zimbabwe) had the land bought from the native tribes (the Mashona if I remember) in legal on the level transactions but still had them taken under the "your persecuting us" arguement.
In the end though, all your doing is changing the focus from "Islamic oppression of women" onto "European oppression of non whites" and that isnt really standing for your point as much as is it blame shifting or at least "hey focus on the weeds in your garden rather than mine"
Shame on you!
"5.) I criticise everything and everyone, even certain aspects of my own religion, and I'm willing to admit it. The UK, the UAE, the USA, France, Netherlands and so on, are no exception to it.
I assume you are from the UK. If you are willing to criticise others (other cultures, traditions, countries, etc.) you have to be willing to take a damn good look at your own before opening your mouth. If you just criticise everything but your own (country or whatever), you are a hypocrite and perhaps a few other things."
I dont critise because no one gave me the right to tell others how to do it better. I am imperfect therefore I cannot guide others to perfection. I do however stand up and object when I see people suffering because thats not critism thats humanitarism, 2 very different views.
You want to sit and degrade everyone and everything go for it, all that does is propergate the idea that muslims sit on their high horse thinking everyone else is filth to be washed away or improved in the eyes of yourself or your religion.
But staying on par with this, Yes I critise the British government for its failings that lead to its part in the social / economic climate of the day, yes I critise south africa for not doing more to veto the Aparthied, No I dont sit and tell people this and no I dont try and force MY thoughts on someone else because what works for me may not work for someone else.
"6.) "Devil westerner" scores again.
I'm sorry but I find this degrading. Not every Muslim is an anti-westerner. Not every Muslim goes on the streets and shouts "Death to America!" or "Western infidels must die!"."
It is degrading, especially when the middle eastern natives come to the UK (my home of 18years), build mosques then have protest marches through the capital saying that our 9/11 is yet to come.
If I went to Saudi, UAE or Iraq and built a church I'd be hung before I got the 2nd brick down.
How is that a balanced and fair trade of cultures?
That will make for some amusing sitcom ideas.
Husband: That does it! You've crossed the line this time! This will hurt me more than you! (Walks offstage).
Wife: What are you doing?
Husband: Sorry. I just need to take some practice swings.
Husband: That does it! You've crossed the line this time! This will hurt me more than you! (Walks offstage).
Wife: What are you doing?
Husband: Sorry. I just need to take some practice swings.
Kwuait is actually quite a nice place. They don't enforce Sharia Law and they alow other religious demographics to worship in their own privacy. As the most democratic and well off nation in the UAE I'm sure wether or not they'll actually adopt this law.
I would be okay with this if it was just children(I was it with the strap as a kid for being a shit), but a man shouldn't have to "discipline" a adult. I'm not even okay with the childed beating, but I guess its a small step forward form seriously abusing their family members to just soft slapping.
Hopefully that region of the world will stop being oppressed by a theocracy and let the general and more sensible population take over(of that region). Cause I know that most Islams are not okay with this.
Anyways that my hay penny.
Hopefully that region of the world will stop being oppressed by a theocracy and let the general and more sensible population take over(of that region). Cause I know that most Islams are not okay with this.
Anyways that my hay penny.
1.) I agree.Dragunai said:
2.) I agree. Rapists are thieves though - they steal your dignity! If a rapist is proven to be guilty without a shadow of a doubt, I am in favour of extreme punishment.
3.) I live in Slovenia. They don't call it "the Nation of Islam" here.
4.) I didn't want to change the focus, I was merely trying to point out that the UK has some nasty stuff on its conscience as well, since you were comparing the UK and UAE/Islam.
5.) Without criticism, the world would collapse. I am, too, imperfect, but not stupid. As a human being, I feel the need to try and improve or upgrade things, if you will.
For starters, I criticise the whole aspect of everyone being inferior to Muslim men. I think it is stupid to think of a person being less worth for not choosing the same path as you.
Most of my friends are Orthodox-Christians (Serbs) and Roman-Catholics (Croats and Slovenes), I may have only a handful of Muslim friends. What I'm getting at is that, even though there was war here and crap (I'm not going into detail about it), we all respect eachother and deem ourselves equal. I was born and raised more of a logical thinking - passive Muslim.
6.) I don't know how it is over there with Muslims, so I am pretty much in no position to speak.
There are christian churches throughout the "Islamic" countries though, just not in all of them, IIRC. I too, hope the day comes when everyone will have the rights they deserve, and to choose their own path.
By the way, for everyone who hates Islam - you should come to Slovenia. It's one of the few countries (if not actually THE only one) in Europe, that hasn't got even a single Mosque.
