Wii U to be quickly outdated?

[Fumbles]

Secondly, totally alienating your fanbase with shovelware, then begging them to come back with a system that barely has better specs then a Xbox 360 is shameful.

The WiiU is way better specced than 360 and PS3. Inform yourself, dude.

Lol because a tricore is "better Specced" then a 8 core processor? Please... If it is so "better specced" then why do the games look the same? Pretendo fans will just cry about how the games are ports.

 

[veloper]

How do you reckon a gamecube is in any way faster than a PS2? The GC has a slower CPU, a slower GPU, slower memory.
Do you think it's because it has only a little more memory (and additional 16mb of very slow DRAM)?

If you get anything out of this article, we hope that it's a better sense of just how powerful Nintendo's Gamecube console is, though. We have not set out to prove PlayStation 2 is an inferior system, only that Nintendo's is just as strong in every single respect technically speaking.

http://uk.cube.ign.com/articles/086/086984p1.html

However, it's just as powerful, graphically, as the Xbox. "It would be stupid if it wasn't," Anthony said, "because it came out at the same time.

It would have no excuse to have poorer-looking graphics." The GameCube's graphics processor is 162 MHz compared with PS2's 147 MHz.

While acknowledging that the GameCube is more powerful than the PS2

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gadgets/1278831

First, let's consider the GameCube. At launch, Nintendo's fourth console was an impressively powerful machine. Sony had all but forced Sega out of the market with its relentless assault of hype for the PlayStation 2's purported power -- and indeed, the PS2 could produce considerably nicer graphics than Sega's Dreamcast. But it was no match for GameCube's visual capabilities. In the hands of capable, motivated developers, the GameCube could produce visuals to rival those on Xbox; comparisons between like titles such as Metroid Prime 2: Echoes and Halo 2 ultimately boil down to a matter of personal taste rather than technical prowess.

http://www.1up.com/features/gamecube-xbox-defined-current-gen

That was the sound of me destroying your quaint notion of the PS2's power. The xbox and Gamecube were the big dogs when it came to power, both pretty much on par with each other, leaving the PS2 sitting in the dust.

Ugh! I'll have to concede and give you that.

It's crazy how I misremembered the PS2 being so powerful. Like Sony's hype machine got to me a generation too late.

 

[Fumbles]

Nintendo's biggest problem is that they made all of their money off casual gamers, you know Grand Mas who wont buy more then "Carnival Games" for their Grand children. They made short term money, not long term. They also really aren't that innovative. You can argue their "hardware", really just motion controls, but countless iterations of Mario (which far out number Final Fantasy) is really stale.

The only people who say Mario is stale is non fans. Of course core gameplay is going to stick around-what, do you want him to do a first person shooter, or a city sim?...Actually, holy shit, a city sim set in the Mushroom Kingdom would be AWESOME!

That actually would be really cool... No I'm just saying that they need to retire some of their franchises, and wait for it... make a new IP. I guess Pikmen counts. I am a fan, I loved Mario on the NES/SNES, but honestly whats so "different and innovative" between Mario Galaxy 1 and 2?

 

[ChildishLegacy]

Secondly, totally alienating your fanbase with shovelware, then begging them to come back with a system that barely has better specs then a Xbox 360 is shameful.

The WiiU is way better specced than 360 and PS3. Inform yourself, dude.

Lol because a tricore is "better Specced" then a 8 core processor? Please... If it is so "better specced" then why do the games look the same? Pretendo fans will just cry about how the games are ports.

You seem really technologically knowledgeable when you claim something has better specs because it has "more cores" than something else, you're like some sort of futuristic engineer.

 

[Rad Party God]

The Wii was already outdated when it was announced and for 6 years, I was and I'm totally okay with that, as it was always meant to be a complementary console, instead of a "main" console, at least not for someone who's a serious gamer or has a minimum concern for Nintendo's titles.

I don't see the WiiU as a direct competitor for whatever Microsoft and Sony comes up with, I see it as a complementary console and I know it will be like that when I get the chance to buy it. Also, I don't care about whatever Microsoft and/or Sony will come up with, I'll keep being a (relatively) happy PC gamer (I know, it sounds wierd).

 

[him over there]

Nintendo's biggest problem is that they made all of their money off casual gamers, you know Grand Mas who wont buy more then "Carnival Games" for their Grand children. They made short term money, not long term. They also really aren't that innovative. You can argue their "hardware", really just motion controls, but countless iterations of Mario (which far out number Final Fantasy) is really stale.

The only people who say Mario is stale is non fans. Of course core gameplay is going to stick around-what, do you want him to do a first person shooter, or a city sim?...Actually, holy shit, a city sim set in the Mushroom Kingdom would be AWESOME!

That actually would be really cool... No I'm just saying that they need to retire some of their franchises, and wait for it... make a new IP. I guess Pikmen counts. I am a fan, I loved Mario on the NES/SNES, but honestly whats so "different and innovative" between Mario Galaxy 1 and 2?

I recently read that after Miyamoto stepped down from working so directly with the other devs that he is working on a new IP. Hope something comes out of it.

 

[Treblaine]

You know the hardware is much better than current generation tech?

http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1415921/nintendo_wii_u_hardware_tech_specs_revealed.html

Nope.avi

WiiU has curiously similar specs to Xbox 360. Right down to a triple-core Power-PC central-processor.

Anonymous source, sounds reputable...

Besides, named sources (EA, Gearbox, Epic) say that the WiiU is far ahead of the current generation.

http://wiiudaily.com/2012/04/gearbox-wii-u-is-more-powerful-than-current-gen-consoles/

?The machine itself will be one of the best-looking versions of the game, you know, because they?ve got more RAM than some of the other things. And you know, they?re late in the cycle so they?ve got this really great processor and all that kind of stuff.?

A bit vague but it gets the point across.

Your source don't contradict mine, it corroborates it. 768MB of RAM is not significant.

PC games are taking advantage of 16GB of system RAM and the graphics are really showing, with resolution and frame-rate. Any next gen system can't merely be a little better, they must be 5-10x better and surpass the best of PC gaming at that time.

Never are they actually quoted saying: "WiiU is far ahead of the current generation." But rather:

"(WiiU is) one of the best-looking versions"

PC is one of the versions of the game they are making.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

This is beautiful. Consoles are dragging the industry down as it is, compared to what PC can do, and now we have Nintendo helplessly limping behind Sony and Microsoft, trying to catch up. On top of that we have online passes, day one DLC, exclusive DLC, store exclusive DLC, mandatory updates on consoles, huge HDD installs on consoles, overpriced games etc. We are nearing the end of this apocalyptic generation of gaming, yet Nintendo still thinks another console is the way to go, and that it has a place in the market. The only good thing coming out of Wii U is the probable price cut of Xbox 360 and PS3.

Isn't the gaming industry in a lovely shape these days?

 

[Fumbles]

Secondly, totally alienating your fanbase with shovelware, then begging them to come back with a system that barely has better specs then a Xbox 360 is shameful.

The WiiU is way better specced than 360 and PS3. Inform yourself, dude.

Lol because a tricore is "better Specced" then a 8 core processor? Please... If it is so "better specced" then why do the games look the same? Pretendo fans will just cry about how the games are ports.

You seem really technologically knowledgeable when you claim something has better specs because it has "more cores" than something else, you're like some sort of futuristic engineer.

Theoretically yes, take PC processors... a true eight core processor out performs a dual core. Where you are correct is that it is ultimately up to the designer to make full use of the given hardware, so while one game may use all of the cpu cores, or all of the power of the gpu, another game may not.

 

[Vivi22]

Keep in mind it will recognized as a console with a tablet extension, not a tablet.

Funny thing is, I don't think that will happen. Certainly not for the average casual gamer who isn't up on current tech and consoles. In other words, the exact sort of person you described earlier in your post, and the same sorts of people that made the Wii so successful originally. Expecting them to look at the Wii U and recognize that it isn't just a tablet with some extra buttons and analog sticks gives them too much credit.

 

[Fumbles]

Lol because a tricore is "better Specced" then a 8 core processor? Please... If it is so "better specced" then why do the games look the same? Pretendo fans will just cry about how the games are ports.

So the games look the same on rough builds of a new console than on a console that has been worked on for 6 years?

Pretty damn good if you ask me, remember as other have stated below. Launch xbox games looked like shit and some on the original xbox arguably looked better.

Also, the only footage you have seen has been from a 720P stream so until the games are actually released hold off on saying the games look the same.

I'll agree to these terms... Who knows, Nintendo may pull off something crazy.

 

[Fumbles]

Secondly, totally alienating your fanbase with shovelware, then begging them to come back with a system that barely has better specs then a Xbox 360 is shameful.

The WiiU is way better specced than 360 and PS3. Inform yourself, dude.

Lol because a tricore is "better Specced" then a 8 core processor? Please... If it is so "better specced" then why do the games look the same? Pretendo fans will just cry about how the games are ports.

The PS3 had 1 core, not 8 cores. SPE =/= core

Besides, if more cores = more power, AMD would be winning the CPU war.

Very good point, Intel fan here. I kind of forgot about the AMD Bulldozer debacle.

 

[him over there]

Your source don't contradict mine, it corroborates it. 768MB of RAM is not significant.

PC games are taking advantage of 16GB of system RAM and the graphics are really showing, with resolution and frame-rate. Any next gen system can't merely be a little better, they must be 5-10x better and surpass the best of PC gaming at that time.

Never are they actually quoted saying: "WiiU is far ahead of the current generation." But rather:

"(WiiU is) one of the best-looking versions"

PC is one of the versions of the game they are making.

Can you show me 5 games that use 16GB of RAM?

Unless you somehow bog a game down with an ungodly amount of mods or run it off a RAM disk then I would fail to find any. The most any game has used for me was just over 3GB with X3: Terran Conflict.

Also, no console is going to match PC gaming, ever and you would be foolish to ever expect it to. Is your complaint that a £200-£300 console cannot match up to a £500+ PC?

I'd just like to interject here... *ahem* why in the world does anybody care, like at all?

 

[Troublesome Lagomorph]

As soon as MS and Sony get their new consoles out, which shouldn't take terribly long I think.

 

[Fumbles]

Nintendo's biggest problem is that they made all of their money off casual gamers, you know Grand Mas who wont buy more then "Carnival Games" for their Grand children. They made short term money, not long term. They also really aren't that innovative. You can argue their "hardware", really just motion controls, but countless iterations of Mario (which far out number Final Fantasy) is really stale.

The only people who say Mario is stale is non fans. Of course core gameplay is going to stick around-what, do you want him to do a first person shooter, or a city sim?...Actually, holy shit, a city sim set in the Mushroom Kingdom would be AWESOME!

That actually would be really cool... No I'm just saying that they need to retire some of their franchises, and wait for it... make a new IP. I guess Pikmen counts. I am a fan, I loved Mario on the NES/SNES, but honestly whats so "different and innovative" between Mario Galaxy 1 and 2?

I recently read that after Miyamoto stepped down from working so directly with the other devs that he is working on a new IP. Hope something comes out of it.

I really hope that they do a new IP.