I got that impression too. It seems as if Nintendo is trying to compete with the 360 and ps3, instead of preparing for the future. They seem to think being able to compete spec-wise with the current generation of consoles is a laudable quality in a next generation console. I disagree.
Wii U to be quickly outdated?
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HD Zelda, eventually?DigitalAtlas said:
I'd buy a WiiU just for that...
Point: It's a Nintendo console. it'll be fine.
Well what was it that got Wii into people's homes:DracoSuave said:
-Low price point
-Novel and kinda intuitive control interface
-effective marketing
I don't think WiiU really has the same magic this time. WiiU controller has clearly come back from feedback with developers as "make it more like an Xbox 360 controller" and they did. So it's an xbox 360 controller with a very basic touchscreen in the middle, that is not multi-touch and needs a stylus for precision. If that is trying to ape on iPhones and Tablets then it has failed.
It's not exactly the best feature to point out how
Maybe if there is a problem with Timmy play Xbox when dad wants to watch baseball is dad buys another el-cheapo HDTV. It's just not a good sell as "this is the console for people who will be kicked off their game because someone wants to watch TV".
And there is a HUGE CONFLICT right in the middle of all of this. If all games can be played JUST the one screen in the controller, then there won't be that many games that put an emphasis on having two screens! Of if the solution to that is simply pressing a button to switch between the outputs of both screen that STILL RENDERS OBSOLETE the idea of having two screens! Xbox 360 could do the exact same just have a button to switch what the main screen shows. And Microsoft has got the market cornered in screen interaction with Kinect controller that interacts with a HDTV like a stylus interacts with a small screen.
Now Kinect, that may not be cheap but it's has a novel and intuitive control and is effectively marketed.
WiiU still seems unreal to me, I'm still feeling like "is that it?" compared to Microsoft being so effective with Kinect marketing to casual market and increasingly to more mainstream gaming.
I mean the capabilities you could do with a touchscreen are DWARFED by the capabilities with Kinect and a HDTV screen. Even on the intuitive basis. To me, neither stylus touchscreen nor kinect are sellers but it's their wider market appeal that matters.
Yet I realise Nintendo doesn't stand a chance any other way. They are a relatively small company with limited capital, they can't come up with anything like kinect. A resistive stylus-based touchscreen in an ostensibly bog-standard controller is probably the best they can do. I just can't imagine what Miyamoto would do with this. I just can't imagine him playing call of duty and looking down at the touchscreen for the radar.
Well I don't know where you got that failure rate from (even with precision down to one decimal place) but Microsoft did have the capital to replace every single system that failed inside the extended warranty. Nintendo couldn't afford that. Nor could they afford to fix said problem when it arises, Nintendo is not a company that can afford console design revisions.j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
Xbox 360 obviously do not have a high failure rate any more nor are the early iterations doomed to fail. I have an early iteration and even after 5 years it still hasn't red-ringed nor even had any game crashes.
The point is WiiU will be launching with all the difficulties of launch while Xbox 360 is already well established and has ironed out all the problems. And Nintendo has limited capital. Hell, Microsoft might just be really evil and deliberately undercut WiiU by $50 for Xbox 360 WITH Kinect and roll out a huge new winter ad campaign. One thing Sony did when it competed against Dreamcast was it would negotiate shelf space that DEMANDED priority of Playstation 2 over Dreamcast or they wouldn't get any Playstation 2 units to sell at all.
And we all know how that turned out for Dreamcast.
As the gaming messiah I feel like imparting a few words of wisdom.
If the WiiU wins everyone wins. If the WiiU does poorly it'll hurt everyone, even those who don't buy it.
In any competitive marketplace, the consumer benefits from added competition. Each rival company puts pressure on the rest to perform well and stay competitive. When one fails the others become more secure, have less motivation to do well, and the market as a whole stagnates.
As a Nintendo fan I always hope for success for both Sony and Microsoft's systems because it means Miyamoto will work harder to please me and the rest of the Nintendo fanbase.
So you see, while Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft may be rivals, we the consumers shouldn't be.
As to whether or not the WiiU will succeed; of course it will. We shouldn't define success though as whether a company sells more units or makes more money than it's competitors. The Gamecube was certainly a success for Nintendo. Nintendo made money off it, they came out ahead. In the end that's all that truly mattered. For a console to fail it must lose money for it's respective company like the Virtual Boy or the Gizmodo.
Will WiiU do better than the 720/PS4? Who knows. Will it be the next Virtual Boy? I highly doubt it.
If the WiiU wins everyone wins. If the WiiU does poorly it'll hurt everyone, even those who don't buy it.
In any competitive marketplace, the consumer benefits from added competition. Each rival company puts pressure on the rest to perform well and stay competitive. When one fails the others become more secure, have less motivation to do well, and the market as a whole stagnates.
As a Nintendo fan I always hope for success for both Sony and Microsoft's systems because it means Miyamoto will work harder to please me and the rest of the Nintendo fanbase.
So you see, while Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft may be rivals, we the consumers shouldn't be.
As to whether or not the WiiU will succeed; of course it will. We shouldn't define success though as whether a company sells more units or makes more money than it's competitors. The Gamecube was certainly a success for Nintendo. Nintendo made money off it, they came out ahead. In the end that's all that truly mattered. For a console to fail it must lose money for it's respective company like the Virtual Boy or the Gizmodo.
Will WiiU do better than the 720/PS4? Who knows. Will it be the next Virtual Boy? I highly doubt it.
What's with all the people on this forum just stating that Nintendo will fail despite tons of evidence to the contrary?
-Nintendo will aim for a 300$ price. It's the smart thing. So we got that out of the way.
-You guys noticed how Sony and Microsoft are pushing their addons to the public? They really don't want to make a new console. It's too expensive and frankly, they're still recovering from their financial losses. Speaking of...
-You know how damn expensive the 360 and PS3 debuted with? The PS3 had a fucking 600$]/i] price tag. That was before the economic depression. They will not be able to afford a new console.
I guarantee that 80% of this thread hate Nintendo because of Yahtzee. Make opinions for yourself people! Last I checked, Nintendo has been kicking some serious ass since 2006. It was no accident. Everyone who thinks so is in denial and really needs to be more open minded about things.
-Nintendo will aim for a 300$ price. It's the smart thing. So we got that out of the way.
-You guys noticed how Sony and Microsoft are pushing their addons to the public? They really don't want to make a new console. It's too expensive and frankly, they're still recovering from their financial losses. Speaking of...
-You know how damn expensive the 360 and PS3 debuted with? The PS3 had a fucking 600$]/i] price tag. That was before the economic depression. They will not be able to afford a new console.
I guarantee that 80% of this thread hate Nintendo because of Yahtzee. Make opinions for yourself people! Last I checked, Nintendo has been kicking some serious ass since 2006. It was no accident. Everyone who thinks so is in denial and really needs to be more open minded about things.
Someone demoed it using the WIi-U on SpikeTV. I'll hunt for the image and requote this post if I find it, but promise it is.Rednog said:
The Wii-U version is being considered. Apparently, Ubisoft has a huge boner for the Wii-U and the guys they have working with the system are bogged down with a bunch of stuff in production. If any of it is half as good looking as ZombiU and Watch Dogs, I'm a rather happy Nintendo fan.DigitalAtlas said:
I was dead serious. Lemme help you out:tthor said:I don't mean this jokingly or rudely, i honestly do not understand what you are talking about, and had to take a moment to figure out if you were being satirical or not.. I am still confused by itDigitalAtlas said:
first, what great games; I ask this because I have honestly searched through wii games trying to find SOMETHING worth using my Wii on, but finding mostly garbage. It was a little innovative with the motion controls, but the novelty wore off for most people very quickly. And even if tablets are selling really well, the thing is, the WiiU is not a tablet; its a game console that just happens to have a tablet-like controller, which is like comparing apples to potatoes..
>blahblah "Don't play Xenoblade" blah blah
Xenoblade has some of the WORST graphics on Wii. Some of the best draw distance, but other games like Crystal Chronicles blow it out of the water. Yet, it's easily one of the best RPGs this gen.
>Wii games? They exist?!?!?!?!
Wii had fantastic games, you just had to search a little. First-party Nintendo games, of course and re-releases were must-have's, but let's not talk about those, okay? Because I like a challenge and saying "Metroid Prime, Skyward Sword, Sin and Punishment 2, and Xenoblade" is just too easy. Try NiGHTS (the cutscenes are laughably bad, but some of the boss battles are INCREDIBLE), Red Steel 2 (eat your heart out Borderlands), Mad World, No More Heroes, The Conduit (so much better than Halo as far as single-player goes, and I love Halo), A Boy and His Blob is fantastic and very classy, Fragile Dreams (you want a horror RPG with characters you'll get attached too in a game that will make you cry? Thought so), Muramasa: The Demon Blade (SO AWESOME), and to end on a high note:
AKA WHAT FFXIII SHOULD'VE PLAYED LIKE
>IT'S NOT A TABLET! I SWEAR!
But the thing is, the Wii-U behaves like a tablet. It'll have a web-browser. It'll allow people to connect with people while sitting in the living room. This is a device that just screams "FIDDLE WITH ME!" and "SHOW ME OFF!" And how it behaves with the game is truly remarkable. Look at ZombiU. OH ANOTHER ZOMBIE GAME HURRRR. Really? Now how many zombie shooters actually make you look down like you were looking in a real backpack while constantly looking up on the lookout for zombies and KILL YOU for not paying attention? I can't think of one.
Wii-U is going to be fantastic.
They demo'd it. It's coming. The Wii-U is really a game changer. The fact people don't see it just bugs me.wintercoat said:
I mean, look at Pikmin.
You have a four-player co-op RTS in the world of Avatar if you use the tablet to micro-manage, or you can use the Wii-Motion Plus to get close to the action and play it like Skyward Sword and pin-point certain weak spots which would be very strong for single player. OR YOU CAN USE BOTH AT ONCE, WHAT?!
Calm down...I know it's gonna be awesome. Pikmin looks amazing, ZombiU is the shit, and I actually think the Mario game they showed looked interesting, not to mention Project P-100. It's just that everything [http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/06/07/e3-2012-watch-dogs-coming-to-consoles-and-pc-could-hit-wii-u] I could find [http://gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=178769] says it's [http://gamingunwrapped.com/watch-dogs-being-considered-for-wii-u/] being considered [http://nintendoeverything.com/90846/no-plans-for-watch-dogs-on-wii-u-but-its-not-out-of-the-question/], and I can hope that it's not just blowing fluff into the wind.DigitalAtlas said:
I don't know how they can only being considered when they were PLAYING IT WITH THE WII-U XD It just boggles my mind.wintercoat said:
>Limited capitalTreblaine said:
>Ten billion dollars tucked away
>Just began construction on a whole new building for R&D
Totes.
Sure, it'll probably be overpowered.
But I think we're reaching the point where an advance in computing power won't necessarily enhance graphic display by a wide margin. Within this generation, we're getting close to approaching perfect fidelity. At that point, it'll be unlikely we'll need anything more powerful.
But I think we're reaching the point where an advance in computing power won't necessarily enhance graphic display by a wide margin. Within this generation, we're getting close to approaching perfect fidelity. At that point, it'll be unlikely we'll need anything more powerful.
Sorry, I kind of assumed that was just a game Miyamoto was presenting not his actual project. Because it's a pretty basic use of a dual screen setup. It's no real innovation beyond just switching camera modes on a single screen. It's also contradictory, is it ideally palyed using the WiiU controller or Wii Motion Plus Controller? You can't use both at once with only two pairs of hands.j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
But I wasn't blown away by Pikmin back in the day, I loved my gamecube but not for Pikmin.
Whatever, DS I think sold more for it's low price for a handheld with the holdover of many 2D developers. 3DS which has a touchscreen more like WiiU has not sold well. Kinect is trying stuff like Steel Batalion, and Minority Report style menu interaction. Still inferior to a good mouse + keyboard, but what the hell.