How can anyone forget Warcraft III? It was awesome! Way better than WoW. Think of DotA, people!SidheKnight said:
Also, yes, Skyrim will be remembered even more than Oblivion, I think. I for one will certainly play it for longer.
Will Skyrim be remembered?
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Also, yes, Skyrim will be remembered even more than Oblivion, I think. I for one will certainly play it for longer.
Actually, this is their most ambitious project yet. It was their test to see how many corners they could cut while still being critically acclaimed. And guess what, they succeeded! We all know why though.Magnicon said:
Because this game has reached so many people who have never touched an RPG in their lives before (or at least a challenging one). Skyrim is more of a "my first RPG" or "A dummies guide to RPG's" than a real game. The prime advocate for this is Jim Sterling, who's favorite games include Kirby, Dynasty Warriors and the COD series (which are known for their unforgiving difficulty). Ignoring that his "acute" observations are quite dated in retrospect, we can see now that the ideal game does not have to entertain or challenge the player, but rather it just needs to keep them occupied.
This is exemplified in how iPhone games in their simplistic nature were able to engorge their audience in such a manner that "revolutionised" the market and how there are those that are complacent with wasting their time on shallow and superficial MMORPG's and Facebook games (ie Farmville). The issue is that people don't play games to improve on themselves, they do it to escape reality. Unfortunately, this may also incorporate the act of forgoing their standards to accentuate their absorption into an ideal reality, one that they are in control of.
Star Wars won't be forgotten because it hasn't been matched or surpassed. It occupies it's own niche.SirBryghtside said:
I'm looking forward to the day where people forget about TES (and hopefully Bethesda) because a studio with aptitude took it's place.
Although I love it, I doubt it'll be remembered. We're nearing the next generation of consoles; they'll probably be a lot more powerful, and with that we'll see a lot better games that'll overshadow Skyrim.
Although there's a lot of content, that content is spread out in a very generalized way. Explore one dungeon, you've basically explored them all. Do the main questlines and a few side quests and you've experienced most of the story the game has to offer.
You can only roleplay to a fairly limited extent (although more than most games). I can't really be a hunter, surviving only if I get that deer I've been longing for. I can't really be a fugutive, because I'll lose the ability to do most things in the game and the game doesn't exactly offer you any paths for being a futugive. I can't start my own little party of bandits and sack villages. I can't be the most feared Darklord in all of Skyrim. I can't be a modest soldier among hundreds of other soldiers, fighting a battle that'll determine whether or not my wife and children will be enslaved for the next 100 years.
There's what, 60,000 lines of recorded dialogue, but you still hear the same lines over and over and over. There's plenty of quests, but none of it feels connected in any way. None of it has a purpose. There's lots of spells, weapons, armor, potions/scrolls, etc., but I've never had the need to actually use even 2% of it. I'm the Dragonborn yet I have petty little nobodies talking to me like I'm some little *****.
Overall the game does what it was aimed to do, and it does it extremely well. It's so far my GOTY and one of my favorites ever. But I really don't think it's done enough. I'm not someone who thinks a game has to bring something new to the table in order to be a classic. But it has to have something extremely special for it's time. I've been playing games for ~15 years, so I've developed a certain expectation. Skyrim has reached my expectations, but only for what's currently doable with this generation of hardware. My envision of what we'll be playing in 20 years time shits all over Skyrim. And I don't think Skyrim will be attributed to the future of gaming in any way.
Although there's a lot of content, that content is spread out in a very generalized way. Explore one dungeon, you've basically explored them all. Do the main questlines and a few side quests and you've experienced most of the story the game has to offer.
You can only roleplay to a fairly limited extent (although more than most games). I can't really be a hunter, surviving only if I get that deer I've been longing for. I can't really be a fugutive, because I'll lose the ability to do most things in the game and the game doesn't exactly offer you any paths for being a futugive. I can't start my own little party of bandits and sack villages. I can't be the most feared Darklord in all of Skyrim. I can't be a modest soldier among hundreds of other soldiers, fighting a battle that'll determine whether or not my wife and children will be enslaved for the next 100 years.
There's what, 60,000 lines of recorded dialogue, but you still hear the same lines over and over and over. There's plenty of quests, but none of it feels connected in any way. None of it has a purpose. There's lots of spells, weapons, armor, potions/scrolls, etc., but I've never had the need to actually use even 2% of it. I'm the Dragonborn yet I have petty little nobodies talking to me like I'm some little *****.
Overall the game does what it was aimed to do, and it does it extremely well. It's so far my GOTY and one of my favorites ever. But I really don't think it's done enough. I'm not someone who thinks a game has to bring something new to the table in order to be a classic. But it has to have something extremely special for it's time. I've been playing games for ~15 years, so I've developed a certain expectation. Skyrim has reached my expectations, but only for what's currently doable with this generation of hardware. My envision of what we'll be playing in 20 years time shits all over Skyrim. And I don't think Skyrim will be attributed to the future of gaming in any way.
Name a gaming trope that revolutionized games forever or has been mimicked/used in other games that's attributed to The Elder Scrolls. If it takes longer than 10 seconds to come up with an answer, then the answer is "no."
TES doesn't have a claim to fame the way games like GTA, the Nintendo 3, Halo or Shadow of the Colossus have. I've noticed that TES games come out, there's a big deal for a while, and then life goes on. After the heat dies down, people begin to notice that it's not an artful story like SoTC, it far from has the consistently polished sheen of the Big Nintendo 3, it's not controversial like GTA and it's done nothing for RPGs as a whole the way Halo perfected console FPS games. In other words, it doesn't do any one thing so well that it's revolutionary.
Time will tell with Skyrim, but I also doubt that it'll be remembered as a classic hallmark of the industry. At best, it won't be remembered for much longer than it takes for the next big open-world epic from Bethesda to come out.
They're momentary classics, those games, if it makes sense. Unique, but not game-changing. Huge but not standard-setting. Fun, but not polished enough to be classic. Jack of all trades, but master of none.
TES doesn't have a claim to fame the way games like GTA, the Nintendo 3, Halo or Shadow of the Colossus have. I've noticed that TES games come out, there's a big deal for a while, and then life goes on. After the heat dies down, people begin to notice that it's not an artful story like SoTC, it far from has the consistently polished sheen of the Big Nintendo 3, it's not controversial like GTA and it's done nothing for RPGs as a whole the way Halo perfected console FPS games. In other words, it doesn't do any one thing so well that it's revolutionary.
Time will tell with Skyrim, but I also doubt that it'll be remembered as a classic hallmark of the industry. At best, it won't be remembered for much longer than it takes for the next big open-world epic from Bethesda to come out.
They're momentary classics, those games, if it makes sense. Unique, but not game-changing. Huge but not standard-setting. Fun, but not polished enough to be classic. Jack of all trades, but master of none.
It's a fun game, but I don't think it's new and fun enough to be remembered in itself.
Hopefully the next one will let you use a high speechcraft skill instead of a weapon- I would remember the ability to talk my way out of a bandit raid.
Hopefully the next one will let you use a high speechcraft skill instead of a weapon- I would remember the ability to talk my way out of a bandit raid.
That would be fun, but being a minor grunt probably doesn't appeal to most people as fun.F4LL3N said: