Will The Elder Scrolls Online end the same way as Swtor?

[Storm Dragon]

I haven't had any confidence in this game since it was announced.

 

[SajuukKhar]

MMOs are dead, and if Bethesda wanted to exploit them they should have made Oblivion an MMO.. and made it f*cking good.

ugh....
for the 50 millionth bazillionth time... IT ISNT BETHESDA.

It was the decision of Zenimax, Bethesda's parent company.

No, no, no, no, no, no, NO! I am not going to get excited for this no matter how hard you try because that is a fuck-obvious tank! Earlier suspicions confirmed; they're inventing new classes because they need to shove them into the same tired holy trinity of tank, dps, healer but the existing classes don't lend themselves well to that. I'm taking bets right now, the Templar class is going to turn out to be paladin-like DPS with a healing gimmick.

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/821/feature/6819/The-Elder-Scrolls-Online-The-Comprehensive-Preview.html

Add this all together, the fact that every class can use every weapon or armor, the many different spells and abilities and their morphs, and even the points you spend on Magicka, Health, and Stamina? well, you get the picture. Matt and team informed us that while there are ?heals, DPS, and tanks?, every class can take on every role with the progression system and the armor and weapons. It?s just a matter of switching out your loadout and you?re good to go.

It sounds pretty Guild Wars 2ish, every class can play every role yet some classes will still be better at it then others.

Kinda like how...... Elder Scrolls classes always played, yeah you could heal as a warrior, but you would suck at it compared to a mage.

 

[cthulhuspawn82]

Yes, all subscriptions MMOs are automatic fail. WoW only survives because people started playing before everyone realized P2P was a scam and just continue to do so. WoW got is hooks in before P2P died.

And going free doesn't help a P2P game. It was developed with a subscription model in mind, so even after it goes free its still a pointless grind to get you $15.

 

[Wolfhowl the shadow lurker]

Heres a mad idea, why don't we wait till we have seen someone play this or have done it ourselfs before hateing on it. I really do not understand where all this hate is coming from.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

If Zenimax do this their job and are smart about it they can make their money before this tanks. Although, if it plays anything like a TES game I won't touch it with a barge pole.

 

[thespyisdead]

well... not if they take the GW approach to MMOs... but that's my oppinion... P2P is a thing of the past now...

 

[SajuukKhar]

Decision of? lol... What's that supposed to mean?

Anyways, if it's not Bethesda that's fine. It's still TES and it doesn't change the gyst of my post: An MMO will never work.

As in, it was Zenimax's decision to make the MMO? Not Bethesda's? is that hard for you to understand?

I think Guild Wars 2 kinda invalidates all the things you said about MMORPGs.

 

[Thoric485]

for the 50 millionth bazillionth time... IT ISNT BETHESDA.

It was the decision of Zenimax, Bethesda's parent company.

Zenimax is Bethesda. It's a shell company created by Bethesda's founder to hold the Bethesda studio, the Bethesda publishing arm and the acquisitions (Arkane, id etc.).

 

[Salomega]

I've been saying this since TESO was announced and will continue to say it: "This is a terrible idea!" The Elder Scrolls games have all been catering to the fact that your character is "The One", you are the Nerravarine, you are The Hero of Kvatch, you are The Dragon Born and that is what its all about, being the Stalwart hero of the land.

If you make it an MMO though suddenly what used to be a game where you were the main focus and everyone was amazed at your ability to kill dragons or survive super diseases or find a princely needle in a haystack to give an amulet to, now you are just one of many little derp sticks roaming around the land of Tamriel being mediocre instead of the dragon stomper.

All in all, I won't be buying this game and wish those that are a good luck with it, I'd love to be wrong about this but I just don't think I am. -shrug-

 

[SajuukKhar]

"Hard to understand"? "ugh"? Simmer down, pal, not too sure why you're being so insistent and combative about this but it's not very inviting, I've not spoken to you before so stop questioning my intelligence.

I was referring to the word 'decision', when I asked what you meant. I didn't know why you chose to say "It's Zeminax's decision" rather than "Zenimax is making it", for all I know you're just saying "Bethesda are making it... because Zeminax decided they should" or something... Sounds like some doublespeak Mitt Romney would come up with. I haven't read any articles, I don't know the whole story, but when you use a weird-ass word like "decision" I don't know what you might be talking about.

Anyways, good point re: Guild Wars 2. I haven't played the game, I played WoW back in the day, and preferred it's open world. I don't play any MMOs anymore but the last one I played was TOR and that confirmed to me very clearly that, unless there's a very strong framework in place like there was with Guild Wars 2 (there was one for WoW but they've still managed to fuck the game up for the past four years) that any new AAA MMO was going to be a grey'd out mish mash of crap.

Actually we have spoken before... several times.

I said its Zenimax's decision because
1. It is their decision
2. Zenimax isn't making it, Zenimax Online is
3. Blaming Bethesda for Zenimax getting another company to make a Elder Scrolls MMO is like blaming Bioware because EA made some other company make a Mass Effect MMO.

And as much as I doubt the MMO will be good, i see a tanking in the near future after it is released, the game could be good. It uses a weird hybrid of the single player TES games combat along with some GW2 actiony elements and limited skill bars thrown in there.

That combined with the TES style emphasis on exploration, which many articles have pointed out does exist, could make the MMO just unique enough to not feel the same as everything else.

It wont be GW2 good, but I don't think its gonna be another WoW clone.

 

[Dandark]

I actually like the look of this now, it's looking much better than I thought and I would buy this. However im completely put off by the P2P, I really like the sound of it but im not going to get ripped off by a subscription model just to play it.

If they drop the subscription model then I would easily play this though.

 

[SajuukKhar]

My point is this; a TES MMO doesn't need a holy trinity style mechanic. The game has never lent itself to that sort of gameplay and attempting to smash a holy trinity mechanic in there really only shows that they're not interesting in making an Elder Scrolls game. People play for the high adventure and the immersion, not the spamming trade-chat for three hours looking for someone willing to be a healer.

You are aware that, in a game where every class can play every role, there is no spamming for hours looking for a healer.

Case in point, Guild Wars 2.

I mean really, that IS the entire point of a "every class can play every role" system.

That's not an apt analogy at all. As has been mentioned here, Zenimax is a shell company created by Christopher Weaver, the founder of Bethesda. It isn't like someone purchased Providence Equity then said "and now we're going to have *X developer here* make a TES MMO". This was a decision that was very much made within the inner circle, so to speak, of Bethesda. Even if it was just a call from Christopher Weaver, that's still Bethesda.

One person does not equal the entire company, no matter their position.

I wouldn't blame Activision for the actions of Kotick, or w/e his name is.

So unless you have some proof that Bethesda as a whole was like "lets totally do this" you cant really say they were.

 

[Comocat]

I've been saying this since TESO was announced and will continue to say it: "This is a terrible idea!" The Elder Scrolls games have all been catering to the fact that your character is "The One", you are the Nerravarine, you are The Hero of Kvatch, you are The Dragon Born and that is what its all about, being the Stalwart hero of the land.

If you make it an MMO though suddenly what used to be a game where you were the main focus and everyone was amazed at your ability to kill dragons or survive super diseases or find a princely needle in a haystack to give an amulet to, now you are just one of many little derp sticks roaming around the land of Tamriel being mediocre instead of the dragon stomper.

All in all, I won't be buying this game and wish those that are a good luck with it, I'd love to be wrong about this but I just don't think I am. -shrug-

I think you are right. TES and Fallout both are games built around a heroic character and the choices they make. Subsequently the game world reflects those choices. One of the first choices in Fallout 3 was blowing up (or saving megaton) could you imagine an MMO where a single player could decide to destroy and quest hub? IMO TES and Fallout are mediocre games at best when it comes to mechanics, but they shine in the fact your choices seem to matter. I can't see how an MMO can capture this spirit. Give players freedom and the majority of players will turn npcs into thralls then heard them into a penis formation. Don't allow player freedom and congrats on creating generic fantasy #1000. Best of luck to the designers though, I hope it works out.