Will we ever get a super hero movie where the villain wins at the end?

[TheVampwizimp_v1legacy]

As previously stated, many times, Watchmen had Veidt win, and his plan was villainous even if his goal wasn't. The Dark Knight sort of gave the Joker a victory, though of course Batman wins all at the end of the trilogy. But then there's The Winter Soldier, where the evil plan is thwarted, but the good guys still took a major hit.

I hope that, even if we don't get a villain truly winning in the end, we do start seeing the heroes losing. Like, dying. And failing to completely stop the villains. Say, in Avengers X or whatever: Nick Fury dies, Thor has to kill Loki for good, but not before Asgard is in shambles, Hawkeye dies and Black Widow is forever scarred by not being able to save him, and Bruce Banner finally has to lose it in a public place and kills dozens of innocents while he stops the bad guy. I want to see some real consequences on the world and the people in it. They don't have to fail, but a pyrrhic victory would be new and interesting.

 

[Fox12]

Other than Watchmen? Although the villain doesn't really win in that. Nobody does, actually.

No. You can't make twelve sequels to a massive franchise if the villains win. How are the studios supposed to make 100 billion dollars? These films aren't art, they're products on an assembly line, with multiple films in production at any time so that 4 films can be released a year. Failure isn't an option because it's not lucrative. Iron Man will never overcome his alcoholism. Bruce Banner will never control his condition or get married. Black Widow will never overcome her mysterious past. Thor will never reconcile with his brother, and Loki will never stay caught. No one stays dead.

DC is a little bit more experimental, but I suspect they may copy Marvel soon, since they're making all the money. Marvel will NEVER make anything like what you describe.

 

[Seanchaidh]

I don't see any particular reason why a superhero movie couldn't have the protagonist(s) make a heroic last stand that is well intended but ultimately inconsequential. I mean, there may be economic reasons that some studio would shy away from that, but nothing intrinsic to writing a good story.

 

[Vivi22]

Harveys sudden turn doesn't even make sense, there was no precident for it set up earlier in the movie, he takes an injury and his girlfriend dies, and then suddenly goes on a murdering rampage, including 1 cop. Sure, he had beatings from his father, but there's nothing before or after he tells that story to suggest he has a "darker" side.

Someone wasn't actually paying attention. Not only did he outright state earlier in the movie that sometimes a vigilante like Batman taking things into his own hands when the system is corrupt and doesn't work is not only a necessary thing, but a good thing. Not to mention he's watching the Joker basically manage to outsmart/evade the police at every turn, all while dealing with a police and justice department that are almost completely corrupt and getting nowhere as far as stopping him. And if that weren't enough, we also see him basically kidnap a suspect and threaten to kill him. Granted, he was bluffing, but it showed he was already willing to play fast and lose with the law and basically psychologically torture someone who was mentally ill to get the job done. For all the talk of him being such a fine upstanding guy, that's more than enough evidence right there that when you push him far enough he will cross the line. And that's just what he did before him and his girlfriend got blown up. Suffice it to say, if he wasn't exactly 100% stable before, going out of his way to kill the people he deems responsible for his girlfriends death when he's lost all faith in there being any justice for anyone in that city is not a big stretch.

 

[DeimosMasque]

Harveys sudden turn doesn't even make sense, there was no precident for it set up earlier in the movie, he takes an injury and his girlfriend dies, and then suddenly goes on a murdering rampage, including 1 cop. Sure, he had beatings from his father, but there's nothing before or after he tells that story to suggest he has a "darker" side.

Someone wasn't actually paying attention. Not only did he outright state earlier in the movie that sometimes a vigilante like Batman taking things into his own hands when the system is corrupt and doesn't work is not only a necessary thing, but a good thing. Not to mention he's watching the Joker basically manage to outsmart/evade the police at every turn, all while dealing with a police and justice department that are almost completely corrupt and getting nowhere as far as stopping him. And if that weren't enough, we also see him basically kidnap a suspect and threaten to kill him. Granted, he was bluffing, but it showed he was already willing to play fast and lose with the law and basically psychologically torture someone who was mentally ill to get the job done. For all the talk of him being such a fine upstanding guy, that's more than enough evidence right there that when you push him far enough he will cross the line. And that's just what he did before him and his girlfriend got blown up. Suffice it to say, if he wasn't exactly 100% stable before, going out of his way to kill the people he deems responsible for his girlfriends death when he's lost all faith in there being any justice for anyone in that city is not a big stretch.

That doesn't even mention the plot point about how he was upset with Gordon's choices for his task force because "half of the cops in here I investigated for corruption' (paraphrase.) That's where he got his name... He was Harvey Two-Face because he'd act like he was all with the cops but he'd turn on them when they were corrupt, even when they were on his side.

They made a whole plot point of that when his face is burned... he insisted that Gordon finally tell him his nickname, "Two Face" basically telling the audience that while the cops found him wrong, even Gordon (the Batman APPROVED Police Commissioner had even heard the name the corrupt cops had called him.)

Hell, his first targets are the cops who made it so that the Joker could kidnap him and Rachel.

 

[Ronald Nand]

What about Amazing Spiderman 2? Spiderman doesn't really get any of the villians, he just kills Electro whom is an aimless psychopath, Green Goblin kills Gwen Stacy and starts setting us his posse of villians, Spiderman doesn't really catch him or stop any of his major plans, sounds like an overall defeat for Spiderman.