women: drawn to the man on top of any hierarchy
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Totally agree with this take. My problem: were I a woman reading that literature, even knowing full well how true it might be, I think I'd feel some intellectual drive to fight those urges. I do the same thing as a guy sometimes because I don't enjoy feeling enslaved to my reproductive imperative. I'm being controlled by inbred evolutionary needs that may further my species, as a whole, but don't necessarily add up to personal happiness. Is that selfish on some level? Not if I eventually reproduce, right? Interesting thought.Rick1940 said:
I know the human beings in my life, with whom I've worked and interacted and hung out for YEARS, more than you do. I've access to the opinions of dozens of others with experiences very similar to my own. I'm infinitely more qualified to make value statements about the people in my examples than you are. These are my contentions with you. Stop putting words in my mouth.HardkorSB said:
If you can't tell an honest joke from actual assumptions (he's in love with her, he's jealous, he's full of crap), you're clearly here to stir shit up. Thank god I'm restless with nothing else to do. Otherwise, this would have been a waste of time.
Feminists these days are a bit strange, anyway. They already have equal rights. Everyone thinks that is okay, if not morally right. That means that everyone already is a feminist, and everyone who is really proud and in your face about being a feminist is one of the scary extremist feminists.The_Healer said:
Anyway, I thought it was already very much known that power attracts females. Not necessarily pleasant females though.
I offer two hints:FieryTrainwreck said:
1) When arguing on the Internet, try to avoid citing yourself as an authority. For example, you could say, "Tim Worstall totally thinks hypergamy is true, and that is confirmed by my experience, and Tim Worstall is a big sex expert, and he has a website at:"
http://www.eqsq.com/vive-la-difference/2009/07/04/monogamy-polygamy-and-hypergamy/
Then, when people inevitably call you nasty names, you can say, "Hey, chill out, if you want to get angry, get angry with Tim Worstall, he's the big fancy-pants expert."
Then in about five minutes, half of the population of 4chan.org is making prank phonecalls and getting pizzas sent to Tim Worstall's home, and you're forgotten in the chaos.
2) When arguing on the Internet, watch your time. If you spend x hours talking on the Internet, spend at least x hours talking to people in real life. Don't get sucked in to the Internet as your only source of conversations. That way, when people flame you on the Internet, you can tell real-life acquaintances about it, and they will say, "Forget it, Jake, it's Chinatown. Or the Internet, hosting flames from someone logged on in Chinatown." Anyway, they'll provide some useful perspective to prevent you from getting sucked into the flamewars.
Bring in the "girls go after douchebags!" topic into most internet forums, and you get a wave of misogyny thick enough to blot out the sun. It's entertaining.
I think people don't look into it too much. They see X and Y, and decide it MUST be Z, when it can very well be A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V or even W. Or even other things. Then they complain because Z is so unfair against them.
Protip: The kind of people who complain about how girls don't like them, usually aren't exactly the perfect catch.
Protip2: You're probably not as great of a potential boyfriend as you think you are. Don't presume that your emotions are any more valid than someone else's.
I think people don't look into it too much. They see X and Y, and decide it MUST be Z, when it can very well be A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V or even W. Or even other things. Then they complain because Z is so unfair against them.
Protip: The kind of people who complain about how girls don't like them, usually aren't exactly the perfect catch.
Protip2: You're probably not as great of a potential boyfriend as you think you are. Don't presume that your emotions are any more valid than someone else's.
OK, not meaning to offend but I kinda have to say it; boy, you crazy!Konrad Curze said:
Feminism is still going today. Heard of Equal Pay Day? How about the debate over whether a man can rape his wife? Domestic violence? Abortions? You're saying that any women who is concerned by those issues is an extremist.
Frankly, you seem to have things backwards. The "hate mongers and idiots that think any woman who chooses to be girly is in someway degrading women" are the dying breed. They're people like Allecto; sad, bitter freaks who post rants on blogs that rational people treat as a joke. There aren't many of them left. The real feminists, the ones you claim "went away and became normal people again"? They never stopped being normal people. Feminist views these days are the norm.
That's really the crux of it, though; I wasn't presenting an argument - least of all an open debate about whether or not my boss was actually a douche or his gf was actually cool. I don't see why I have to prove either of those things for the purposes of this thread. Seems like the amount of detail necessary to accomplish such a feat would preclude anyone from even bothering to read the post. More importantly, it would involve discussing detailed personal information that isn't exactly for public consumption. So yeah, taking my word on the character of these people doesn't seem like an unreasonable request.
I'm not a potential boyfriend so much as an actual one at the moment, so I'm fantastically unclear as to how that assumption relates to this thread in the slightest.
I guess derailment is standard procedure here, but I'm well shocked at how vindictive and aggressive it's been. Maybe it's just the ultra-late night crowd?
You're...you're actually serious, aren't you? Holy shit! The mind boggles.Konrad Curze said:
OK, first up, equal pay. You are aware that there is still a pay gap, right? That a man and a women who do the same job will often earn different amounts for it? Have a read;
"The report commissioned by the International Trade Union Confederation in 2008 shows clearly that, based on their survey of 63 countries there is a significant gender pay gap; on average 15.6%, which means that `women earn on average 84.8% of men's earnings'"
Do you think this is equality? Really?
Moving on, spousal rape. A lot of people believe that when a couple marry, she agrees to give herself to him. Whenever he wants sex, she has to just lie back and think of England, whether she wants to or not. In some countries, this isn't even illegal. Do you think it's wrong to do that? Well, so do I, and so do feminists! You act as if these common, everyday problems women face like domestic violence ("According to the Centers for Disease Control, domestic violence is a serious, preventable public health problem affecting more than 32 million Americans, or over 10% of the U.S. population.") or the abortion debate (which still rages worldwide, between those who support a woman's right to choose what happens to her body, and those who don't) only occur in "Bumfuck Arkansas". How deluded are you?
I did not say that everyone is a feminist. There are still lots of sexist, chauvinistic guys. There are still women who believe their role in life is submission. However, in the Western world today, feminism is the norm for women. As you say, standard human rights, which was my point. This does not change the meaning or usage of feminism, and it certainly doesn't automatically mean "any women who self-dentifies as a feminist is an insane man-hater". It just means that the feminist movement is achieving it's goals. Of course, there are always people who don't pay attention and like to claim that feminists are crazy. Hint hint.Konrad Curze said:
Reminds me of something Peter Crouch said in an interview when asked
"What would you be if you had never became a footballer?"
To which Peter Crouch replied. "A virgin"
I think women tend to be attracted to men with power or respect, and men with power having confidence is all part of the package. Besides, a confident male is more likely to hit on a woman, and so relationships happen a lot easier.
"What would you be if you had never became a footballer?"
To which Peter Crouch replied. "A virgin"
I think women tend to be attracted to men with power or respect, and men with power having confidence is all part of the package. Besides, a confident male is more likely to hit on a woman, and so relationships happen a lot easier.
A few things.
1. BonsaiK already answered the "question", as it were, so the rest of us may as well all go home now. This isn't really theoretical either, human beings are simply still in a large part driven by urges from our lesser-primate brains that haven't caught up with the reality of the society we've made.
2. Think a few people spectacularly missed the point of that XKCD strip. The point was the "friend/nice guy" was actually the douchebag, and the "douchebag" was the better choice since he was, if nothing else, at least presumably honest about his intentions.
1. BonsaiK already answered the "question", as it were, so the rest of us may as well all go home now. This isn't really theoretical either, human beings are simply still in a large part driven by urges from our lesser-primate brains that haven't caught up with the reality of the society we've made.
2. Think a few people spectacularly missed the point of that XKCD strip. The point was the "friend/nice guy" was actually the douchebag, and the "douchebag" was the better choice since he was, if nothing else, at least presumably honest about his intentions.
I've read some things by that guy and others in his "circle," and I think it's worth pointing out that he's a conspiracy-theory weaving idiot.Rick1940 said:
On topic, BonsaiK said what needed to be said.