There is too much to WoW to write a review of it, possible ever. I've been playing since day one and one thing that is left out of most WoW reviews is the progress they have made since then. I'd write more, but the wireless network here sucks.
World of Warcraft, Reviewed by a [Not-At-All-Die-Hard] Fan
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Healing becomes a pretty integral part of pve and pvp alike as soon as you get in group enviroments. I'd love to see how a group of 40 rogues in regular gear take on pre-nerf Vandarr Stormpike.SpikedDeception said:
Leaving out a huge part of the game game in a review because you don't think it works well as advertisement doesn't strike me as good reviewing. I'm not saying that everybody will do each raid instance in it's entirety but most of the 5 man ones are almost always the climax of all the quests in that zone. Everything in westfall eventualy leads you up to the deadmines and i have yet to discover a quest of more then 5 steps in desolace that doesn't involve a trip to maraudon near the end.
Online game don't always follow the tank-dps-healer triangle and i don't see anything in your review that states that wo does. You didn't mention what classes can heal or healers in general.
I'm not sure who you saw fighting when you typed the part about warriors consistently beating warlocks but please inform the person involved who has a demon pet and a mana bar that they suck or get me the warrior's autograph.
Hunters being easy prey for rogues because their pet is busy elsewhere? If your pet is attacking somebody and you get backstabbed by a third party it means you are fighting 2v1 which means it's only natural that you lost.
The only part of you gameplay review that i can agree with is that most of the time battlegrounds are filled with 8 year olds, which is exactly while i only do raids and arenas. Both of these are major factors in the game and as you admitted don't have a lvl 70 to experience those you shouldn't call this a review.
I'm sorry if i sounded harsh in either of my posts but i get annoyed by people who offer me half a review just as i get annoyed when i find out i bought half a game.
There's no doubt that WoW is a fine game, but the experience is incredibly variable depending on who is around when your playing.
About 6 months in I decided to go play a warrior on a new server. Level 8 I met a priest friend whil slapping some murlocs and we pretty much hung out permanently from then on. At level 15-16 we picked up a mage (who I played right up til I quit about a month ago), then another warrior and a warlock around level 20. From then on, the 5 of us hung out most of the time we were online and it was without a doubt the finest time I've had in the game. We all leveled to 60, taking on instances before we were ready for them in levels, and we had a whale of a time. After that we expanded into raiding, and then shortly before TBC came out, the priest quit. I kept playing for a couple of years, but the time I spent levelling my warrior with my mates was the best time I've had in Warcraft.
The main thing to take from this is how the quality of your experience is affected by the people you play with. My advice is, if you want to play the game as its supposed to be, find 9 friends to start playing with at the same time and make your own small guild. All the raid content in the upcoming exspansion, Wrath of the Lich King, has both 10 and 25 man versions, meaning you can see everything the game has to offer with only 10 people, and if they're 10 people you've played with for a long time, enjoy playing with and know well, then your gonna have a great time playing.
About 6 months in I decided to go play a warrior on a new server. Level 8 I met a priest friend whil slapping some murlocs and we pretty much hung out permanently from then on. At level 15-16 we picked up a mage (who I played right up til I quit about a month ago), then another warrior and a warlock around level 20. From then on, the 5 of us hung out most of the time we were online and it was without a doubt the finest time I've had in the game. We all leveled to 60, taking on instances before we were ready for them in levels, and we had a whale of a time. After that we expanded into raiding, and then shortly before TBC came out, the priest quit. I kept playing for a couple of years, but the time I spent levelling my warrior with my mates was the best time I've had in Warcraft.
The main thing to take from this is how the quality of your experience is affected by the people you play with. My advice is, if you want to play the game as its supposed to be, find 9 friends to start playing with at the same time and make your own small guild. All the raid content in the upcoming exspansion, Wrath of the Lich King, has both 10 and 25 man versions, meaning you can see everything the game has to offer with only 10 people, and if they're 10 people you've played with for a long time, enjoy playing with and know well, then your gonna have a great time playing.
I guess my experience of MMO's is pretty limited, but WoW was the one that really gripped me when I tried to play it. Although neither the PVE or PVP are anything wonderful, they're still fun and easy to get into. It's definitely a very social game though, and my enjoyment of it relied heavily on having other people to talk to or do quests and instances with.
One of the big things about WoW was that I found there was always 'something' to be doing, whether it was instances, crafting, solo-ing, battlegrounds, arena, stupid seasonal events or whatever. Sure, it was all a grind but I'll admit I find grinding fun from time to time.
It was fun for four or five months before I got bored of it... which is more than I can say for a lot of games.
Hunters and rogues might be the popular classes, but as far as I could tell they weren't all that awesome by the time they reached 70.
One of the big things about WoW was that I found there was always 'something' to be doing, whether it was instances, crafting, solo-ing, battlegrounds, arena, stupid seasonal events or whatever. Sure, it was all a grind but I'll admit I find grinding fun from time to time.
It was fun for four or five months before I got bored of it... which is more than I can say for a lot of games.
Hunters and rogues might be the popular classes, but as far as I could tell they weren't all that awesome by the time they reached 70.
'Paladins' and 'Druids' are really the universally accepted hybrid classes. Paladins because they work as both healers and tanks, and Druids for the same reason. The Hunter is more of a true hybrid, but is never classed as such because it combines so many elements from other classes.
Anyway, over the course of being with WoW for three years, I've led two successful 150-man guilds, raided many instances and generally grown to love not only the game, but the community. I think your review does the right thing by pointing out a few home truths that the majority of fans will not be as willing to accept - but also attempts to balance this by stating the sheer epicness that makes up the world. Good work, although it didn't really flow that well as a piece of prose.
Anyway, over the course of being with WoW for three years, I've led two successful 150-man guilds, raided many instances and generally grown to love not only the game, but the community. I think your review does the right thing by pointing out a few home truths that the majority of fans will not be as willing to accept - but also attempts to balance this by stating the sheer epicness that makes up the world. Good work, although it didn't really flow that well as a piece of prose.
I used to play a lvl 70 Human Mage, that got buffed to god-mode right after I quit the game. I was in a guild with people that I knew from PSO ( and later SWG ) and I had an amazing time. After several years the guild fell apart, because we couldn't raid properly and several people decided to leave. Shortly after that I joined a large raiding guild.
In short, I can say that I have seen some of the end-game PvE and the end game PvP, and I have to say that it's certainly one of the best MMO's ( or even RPGs ) that I have ever played.
The overworld looked simply amazing, and I used to spend hours walking around and exploring different zones. The gankers used to be mildly annoying, but once I learned how to play my class I could often retaliate and gank the ganker.
The graphics are, in my opinion, great - even to this day. I have never seen any strange things ( except for a bear riding a gryphon ), so there are hardly any graphical issues in this game.
Anyway, if you know someone else whom you can play this game with, it's one of the best games ever. If you can't form a guild with friends or join a large raiding guild, and you're stuck with random people it will still be an awesome experience, but you will miss out on the epic raiding experience.
I liked the review, by the way.
In short, I can say that I have seen some of the end-game PvE and the end game PvP, and I have to say that it's certainly one of the best MMO's ( or even RPGs ) that I have ever played.
The overworld looked simply amazing, and I used to spend hours walking around and exploring different zones. The gankers used to be mildly annoying, but once I learned how to play my class I could often retaliate and gank the ganker.
The graphics are, in my opinion, great - even to this day. I have never seen any strange things ( except for a bear riding a gryphon ), so there are hardly any graphical issues in this game.
Anyway, if you know someone else whom you can play this game with, it's one of the best games ever. If you can't form a guild with friends or join a large raiding guild, and you're stuck with random people it will still be an awesome experience, but you will miss out on the epic raiding experience.
Very true. I never got bored of WoW; I only quit the game because it kept me from trying out other games and things like that. I also love grinding, so that's not really an issue for me.
Are you kidding me? PvP in EVE is just as pointless as PvP in any other game. The only difference is that you lose everything yet gain nothing in EVE, whereas in WoW you can only obtain new gear. In EVE you fight for useless 'land', and in WoW you fight to get new gear.
I liked the review, by the way.
Thouh epic gear is integral to fighting good players, it is somewhat over rated. I was typically taking down epic geared Paladins, Warriors, Warlocks, Mages, and Priests with my Stormshroud geared Rogue. despite the gear, most players just aren't that good.
i even had people on my own team laughing at me for still wearing Stormshroud gear (no guild and i had been logged off for 6 months
and this was before the expansion
i remember saying this at a poker game and one of the other guys became utterly pissed off and vicariously physically threatened me through his Epicly geared Warrior. but it was silly, of course he would beat me in a duel.. but in a PvP war, i wouldn't be fighting him head on like a moron.. i would obviously be kicking him in the teeth when he would be down to half health scampering to the rear.
1 on 1 pvp requires the best gear, but if you have junk gear you have to pick your fights a lot better in order to keep up a decent kill rate.
i even had people on my own team laughing at me for still wearing Stormshroud gear (no guild and i had been logged off for 6 months
and this was before the expansioni remember saying this at a poker game and one of the other guys became utterly pissed off and vicariously physically threatened me through his Epicly geared Warrior. but it was silly, of course he would beat me in a duel.. but in a PvP war, i wouldn't be fighting him head on like a moron.. i would obviously be kicking him in the teeth when he would be down to half health scampering to the rear.
1 on 1 pvp requires the best gear, but if you have junk gear you have to pick your fights a lot better in order to keep up a decent kill rate.
i think this is a really fun game but including the rougues as the ugly i dont agree i think rouges are a very good style of character it just depends on the person playing like most people that choose rouges always ninja looting and that gives them a bad rep but otherwise i think there very good
i simply dont have the time to invest in a game like Warcraft. It is why i wont be paying up for eve once my trial is over, and its why i wont purchase Warcraft.
Hard to believe this game is 4 years old in November. I can't think of any game that old that has INCREASING subscriptions - incredible.
Having said that, and much kudos to Blizzard for making the world's most addictive videogame, it does get old and tired after a while. The term "jaded" or "burnt-out" is often used to describe raiders, and for good reason. It sucks away that much of your time and energy that it often feels like a 2nd job. Not many video games can make that claim.
So a friendly word of warning for those tempted to get into it - it will ruin all other video games while you play, as it constantly sucks you back in - so if you like to dabble in different genres/titles as they come out - WoW will single-handedly destroy that experience.
Also if you have an addictive personality and a family - STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM IT. Kids need their dads mmkay? And wives need their men mmkay again? Well for at least 1 hour a night anyway
Peace.
Having said that, and much kudos to Blizzard for making the world's most addictive videogame, it does get old and tired after a while. The term "jaded" or "burnt-out" is often used to describe raiders, and for good reason. It sucks away that much of your time and energy that it often feels like a 2nd job. Not many video games can make that claim.
So a friendly word of warning for those tempted to get into it - it will ruin all other video games while you play, as it constantly sucks you back in - so if you like to dabble in different genres/titles as they come out - WoW will single-handedly destroy that experience.
Also if you have an addictive personality and a family - STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM IT. Kids need their dads mmkay? And wives need their men mmkay again? Well for at least 1 hour a night anyway
Peace.
Wait, wait. The land is 'useless' but the gear is not? What about the loot from wrecks? Ransoms? Mining space, or ratting space? You don't actually know what you're talking about do you? I assure you there are advantages to owning space, and more to the point that means something. Even if you only own onesystem you're the only one in the universe who owns that system. You're never that unique on WoW. Anyway, where's the point in combat if you can't lose anything? Yes, it's pointless. All gaming is pointless, really, but that is not what I said. I said it is meaningless; you're not in any real struggle against other players, because frankly you have nothing to struggle for. I mean perhaps when you had to fight to keep your pvp rank, then you had a reason not to lose, not anymore! For it to have any point it needs to be risk vs. reward. WoW has no risk, only reward for putting in enough hours. EvE has both, enough risk to actually give an adrenaline rush, enough reward to make it worthwhile.AdamAK said:
ugh another warcraft fan. Ok on to my point i hate world of warcraft cause my ninth grade class was either talking about bj's at the prom, cod4, or warcraft.now the main reason i am posting is becuse i loath wow it comes at me like rune scape did to the 20 year old child molester that is blizzard. I really hate when i can't under stand shit of what people are saying nor half the time care by the end of the year i was playing shadow of colossus in my basement waiting for wow players to be bored when they take over the world or my school thank god for high school.
soory my 4-6 grade theachs were retarded and when i felt like playing fire emblam in the bath room they let me
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... *Ahem* After reading through that three times, I finally got the gist of what he was saying.asleep at the comp said:
One thing I will never really understand is why so many people, as he put it, loathe the game. I can see why you would dislike it - World of Grindcraft, one of the most unoriginal yet true mockeries - as well as getting a character to a high level and the pointless boredom after that, leading to a remake. Yet the one sole mystery I cannot understand is why OTHER people hate why, say, I like to play the game.
I am a Blizzard fanboy. I'm not going to lie and say I played everything they've produced, but I did play the Diablo's, Starcraft / Brood War, Warcraft I, II, III and the Frozen throne, each to death and loving each experience. This is just a step up. I loved - overall, to be quite honest - the original Diablo and Warcraft III the best, and when you spend hours controlling Jaina in a campaign mode, then promise me I can see her in-game, eye-to-eye? That's pretty badass.
I have played WoW from February after release, though not solid. I pretty much quit every summer and start back up again in the fall, and pretty much always for the same reasons. This is my opinion only and though it may seem like I will rag on WoW/Blizz, take it with a grain of salt.
I currently have a 70 troll shaman, which I haven't played for 3 months. If you have ever been to the Shaman forums...you would know we are the ones that defined jaded with respect to WoW. No other class has been shat upon so much as the Shamans. Anybody who claims otherwise hasn't played a Shaman, or hasn't played in general for long enough to know what they are talking about.
As far as my resume, I have been through about the first 1/3rd of BC endgame raiding stuff (2/3 of TK, etc...). I have tried doing PvP...but if you know shamans, you know that to be a bit masochistic. So I have experienced a significant portion of what the game has to offer.
Though not labeled as such in the review, Shamans are hybrids. They can heal, they can do melee and spell dps, and used to be able to tank stuff. It just takes a degree in Shaman mechanics and completely different sets of gear...though your other hybrids need to do the same thing. You would be hard pressed to say that a resto druid can tank or that a prot pally can DPS.
I dislike Blizzard's handling of WoW, and thus WoW in general rubs me wrong. Shamans are the epitome of what an MMO class should be - balanced. We have just as many strengths as weaknesses and it truly takes knowledge of the class to play it well. None of our specs are so WTFPWN *when placed on equal grounds* that we are even considered viable over a different class in that context. We have the smallest representation in Arena PvP. We get maybe two of us in a raid. Every other class has imbalances, in that they are tailored to excel at a specific scenario, where Shamans are tailored for no real specific scenario at all. We just figure out what we are supposed to do and try to make it work.
Add to this that I like games that give me a choice on how I build my character. In WoW, your choice is your talent spec. Good/bad for you to decide, but that's it. Your spec will determine how you play and what gear you get. This is made even more obvious by the "sets" that Blizzard created. And no, socketing isn't really a matter of choice, it is just one more level of "If you play this way you will use this gear or you will be shunned" mentality.
Contrast this to a game in a parallel genre, Titan Quest. No, it isn't an MMO. No, it's not original. No, it's not the most beautiful game in the world. But what it is I love so much. From level 2 you define your character after how you want to play, not the other way around. You also aren't penalized by not having the "set gear" for your character. In TQ could have the same exact class "trees" (there are 8 total, with 1 added in the x-pansion, you can pick 2) for your character, but because you are spending points on the abilities and buffs that affect your play style, you will end up with a very unique character. You pick how to spend your stats, and your stats without equipment actually make a difference.
In WoW I just get the feeling that I am a mannequin for carrying items and casting spells, as your base stats are pretty much pointless by the time you hit lvl 30, let alone endgame.
Now, WoW I think can be a great social tool. One of my good friends I met through WoW, he a Priest and I a Shaman, and we still talk to each other (albeit through messaging due to us being in different countries) for hours every day. But in the end, that was all I could hold on to. It was the people I met that kept me playing, not the game or gameplay.
Can WoW be fun? Yes. Does WoW consume a lot of time? Yes. Is there skill involved with WoW? Yes, PvE boss fights are like a timed puzzle game, and if you can't figure out the puzzle you won't win. Even knowing the solution doesn't make it easier to win if you don't know how to play your character. PvP on the other hand is a matter of Class > Gear > Skill.
If you enjoy WoW, more power to you. For me, I am still searching for an MMO with the flexibility and balance that I want.
That's my lengthy take ^_^
I currently have a 70 troll shaman, which I haven't played for 3 months. If you have ever been to the Shaman forums...you would know we are the ones that defined jaded with respect to WoW. No other class has been shat upon so much as the Shamans. Anybody who claims otherwise hasn't played a Shaman, or hasn't played in general for long enough to know what they are talking about.
As far as my resume, I have been through about the first 1/3rd of BC endgame raiding stuff (2/3 of TK, etc...). I have tried doing PvP...but if you know shamans, you know that to be a bit masochistic. So I have experienced a significant portion of what the game has to offer.
Though not labeled as such in the review, Shamans are hybrids. They can heal, they can do melee and spell dps, and used to be able to tank stuff. It just takes a degree in Shaman mechanics and completely different sets of gear...though your other hybrids need to do the same thing. You would be hard pressed to say that a resto druid can tank or that a prot pally can DPS.
I dislike Blizzard's handling of WoW, and thus WoW in general rubs me wrong. Shamans are the epitome of what an MMO class should be - balanced. We have just as many strengths as weaknesses and it truly takes knowledge of the class to play it well. None of our specs are so WTFPWN *when placed on equal grounds* that we are even considered viable over a different class in that context. We have the smallest representation in Arena PvP. We get maybe two of us in a raid. Every other class has imbalances, in that they are tailored to excel at a specific scenario, where Shamans are tailored for no real specific scenario at all. We just figure out what we are supposed to do and try to make it work.
Add to this that I like games that give me a choice on how I build my character. In WoW, your choice is your talent spec. Good/bad for you to decide, but that's it. Your spec will determine how you play and what gear you get. This is made even more obvious by the "sets" that Blizzard created. And no, socketing isn't really a matter of choice, it is just one more level of "If you play this way you will use this gear or you will be shunned" mentality.
Contrast this to a game in a parallel genre, Titan Quest. No, it isn't an MMO. No, it's not original. No, it's not the most beautiful game in the world. But what it is I love so much. From level 2 you define your character after how you want to play, not the other way around. You also aren't penalized by not having the "set gear" for your character. In TQ could have the same exact class "trees" (there are 8 total, with 1 added in the x-pansion, you can pick 2) for your character, but because you are spending points on the abilities and buffs that affect your play style, you will end up with a very unique character. You pick how to spend your stats, and your stats without equipment actually make a difference.
In WoW I just get the feeling that I am a mannequin for carrying items and casting spells, as your base stats are pretty much pointless by the time you hit lvl 30, let alone endgame.
Now, WoW I think can be a great social tool. One of my good friends I met through WoW, he a Priest and I a Shaman, and we still talk to each other (albeit through messaging due to us being in different countries) for hours every day. But in the end, that was all I could hold on to. It was the people I met that kept me playing, not the game or gameplay.
Can WoW be fun? Yes. Does WoW consume a lot of time? Yes. Is there skill involved with WoW? Yes, PvE boss fights are like a timed puzzle game, and if you can't figure out the puzzle you won't win. Even knowing the solution doesn't make it easier to win if you don't know how to play your character. PvP on the other hand is a matter of Class > Gear > Skill.
If you enjoy WoW, more power to you. For me, I am still searching for an MMO with the flexibility and balance that I want.
That's my lengthy take ^_^
ok frist off i did play wow when it was just a game for the pc not anything online and it was called warcraft not world of war craft. i liked playing it until i got past the thrid level and then was like a retard is to..... a smart ass, and i only played the frist. but i am sorry it's just i can't see how people like playing somthing that................................ Well i have no idea what to say but in any case. the closet i came to playing warcraft was a ten day free trial until i had to download software and my 1990s comp can't take anything over 10g and sounds like a rusty hard drive or at least till it broke but back to the point. i do not hate, it i just can't stand to understand it nor sit and wait to be told what it is about.