World War III

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Timboslice

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China would take one look at the might of the combined American military force and start bricking it. Then once we marched on Beijing, and Victory in the Orient Day was declared, all occupational Allied forces in the world, at the strike of 5 o'clock, would do a massive group "Thriller" dance. While the Chinese and Russian P.O.W's looked on in awe.
AMERICA!!!
 

Nouw

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How can North Korea conquer South Korea like a snap of a finger? Seriously, you act like South Korea is basically a land of no-army.
 

Miumaru

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So are you saying we need to make Vaults to ensure Fallout games happen for real? Sounds like you were plaing Anchorage or something recently.
 

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Very interesting, if not a little depressing. I say the that the U.S. should pour all of its money into the development of laser guns and active camo, while japan should make giant one man mechs shaped vaguely like a person.......then trade tech. Imagine, METAL GEAR!!!!!!!!
 

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oktalist said:
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Venezuela and Brazil combine and form an alliance??? Possibly the beginnings of the United states of South America? and march across the rest of south America to forge a massive state to prepare an invasion into north America from the south? So north America is fighting 2 fronts.
I doubt that in the circumstances we are discussing, S. America would be interested in invading N. America. More likely they'd have enough to think about just securing their shores from the approaching Ru/PRC hordes.

It's like Yahtzee (kinda) said, who the hell would want to invade the US?
Well maybe South America would make an alliance with Russia and China and they would attack North America by a 2-pronged invasion?

China and Russia from the north and south America from the south
 

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DrunkWithPower said:
I like it. Very creative and doesn't jump the bus at anytime. Two questions 1) Where's Mexico in all this?
If Turkey decides to invade Russia from behind, would Greece help?
you would need to station Greece to the perimeter of Russia :p
 
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Teddy Roosevelt said:
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One thing, how does the fact that while China has a bigger army it is not as technologically powerful of the US factor into this?
The Eastern Front during WWII - German armoured columns made up of high-tech Panzer tanks are wiped out by the 'cheap and cheerful' Russian T-34, because the Russians had more of them.
The Germans had 3.5 million men, thereabouts. Russia fielded 7-8 million, while the Germans, throughnout the eastern front, might have had 5... probably less. China outnumbers us by less, and out ability to hit them at home with precision and speed plays its role.
Oh, no doubt, I was merely making an observation for the purpose of discussion. In fact the main reason the T-34s had the edge over the Panzers was due to their modular construction (allowing them to be rapidly repaired in the field), whereas the Panzers featured a fully integrated design (which required extensive rebuilding of the tank to fix even minor damage). This innovation did not go unnoticed by tank designers, and today all modern tanks like the American M1 Abrams, our Challenger 2, and the German Leopard are all built around the principle of modular design.

I can't help feeling that all of this is academic, however. Partly because this is a hypothetical (if very interesting) thread, but mostly because in all probability modern warfare between national superpowers will bypass armies entirely, and boil down to who's got the most nuclear subs off who's coast.
 

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Grouchy Imp said:
Teddy Roosevelt said:
Grouchy Imp said:
Vault Citizen said:
One thing, how does the fact that while China has a bigger army it is not as technologically powerful of the US factor into this?
The Eastern Front during WWII - German armoured columns made up of high-tech Panzer tanks are wiped out by the 'cheap and cheerful' Russian T-34, because the Russians had more of them.
The Germans had 3.5 million men, thereabouts. Russia fielded 7-8 million, while the Germans, throughnout the eastern front, might have had 5... probably less. China outnumbers us by less, and out ability to hit them at home with precision and speed plays its role.
Oh, no doubt, I was merely making an observation for the purpose of discussion. In fact the main reason the T-34s had the edge over the Panzers was due to their modular construction (allowing them to be rapidly repaired in the field), whereas the Panzers featured a fully integrated design (which required extensive rebuilding of the tank to fix even minor damage). This innovation did not go unnoticed by tank designers, and today all modern tanks like the American M1 Abrams, our Challenger 2, and the German Leopard are all built around the principle of modular design.

I can't help feeling that all of this is academic, however. Partly because this is a hypothetical (if very interesting) thread, but mostly because in all probability modern warfare between national superpowers will bypass armies entirely, and boil down to who's got the most nuclear subs off who's coast.
True.

Actually, while it's fresh in my mind, have you by chance watched the "World at War." Excellent documentary.

Another show said that, around the time of Kursk, some German Tigers (and, I assume Panthers as well) could kill 18 Soviet T-34's each day, but the USSR could replace them and then some, with ease, mind you, and supply the manpower for each crew.

Anyhow, that also depends on the situation. Nuclear weapons seem to many people like a first wave type of weapon, however, it's quite the opposite. They are more strategic, and everyone knows the massive drawbacks of using ICBM's and such like one might use, say, and infantry battalion. It's no secret that nuclear war essentially means that nobody wins. Conventional war could still happen, but it would be very quick. For instance, Tom Clancy's Red Storm Rising takes place for about two months once the shooting war starts, but then of course the nukes are prevented by a coup in Moscow led by the Soviet Army commander in chief in Europe. Regardless, conventional war would still happen, but it would be before the nukes start flying, and, if you think about it, the development of modern SDI's and various ABM defenses would actually turn nuclear war, potentially, into a more destructive form of conventional war than an apocalypse, given that one side would target nukes with other nukes and such, rather than wiping out the country, if you get what I mean.
 

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Only seeable flaw is with us guys in the UK as:

1. We've held out this long...we will carry on for a while.

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2. We would probably Ally with the US, Thus giving them a strategic point to intercept most attacks, therefore tipping the balance.
 

Yureina

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Yet another person who thinks China is god and will rule the world. Sorry, but I can't take this even remotely seriously unless you tack at least an extra 50 years onto your dates.

By the way... all this stuff about the Nazi-Soviet conflict is a load of baloney. The Soviet army was, though not in the first year of the conflict, a much better fighting force than most people have made them out to be.
 
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Teddy Roosevelt said:
Actually, while it's fresh in my mind, have you by chance watched the "World at War." Excellent documentary.
I think I have actually. Are episodes of it usually shown on the likes of UKTV History and Yesterday over the weekends?
 

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syndicated44 said:
In 2013 talks start to break down between China and the US.
The US and China won't go to war within our lifetimes. Their trade relationship is way too cozy, both countries basically need each other and frankly both sides have way too much to lose and virtually nothing to gain from a conflict. Sorry to burst your bubble.

The big-ass mondo nuclear war will also never, ever happen. Wars are primarily about territorial control (usually with another excuse such as "religion" or "freedom" thrown over the top to get people to willingly fight) and making territory uninhabitable is obviously incompatible with conquering it. Conventional weapons are far more effective these days anyway, and have long outstripped nukes in terms of military power and logistic benefits.
 

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I see the next world war happening like this:

-North Korea invades South Korea.
-NATO forces go into South Korea to stop invasion.
-China joins in on the side of North Korea.

That's all it would take. Even then one has to question why China would help NK, but they do have pretty decent relations.

Edit: But really, World War III wont happen in our life times. Countries are too dependent on trade relations. A super power attacking another super power would end badly for both of them, even if one side were to win.