Worst leaders of your country

[DJjaffacake]

And the US and the UK are guilty for the problems today with Israel.

Oh, yeah, it's not like all those countries that invaded Israel immediately after it was created, just because the israelis were mainly Jewish, had anything to do with it. Also, fixed it for you.

So what gave the UK and US the rights to throw out the inhabitants of the area just because the jews wanted it? Are you daft? Todays problems are caused by the carelessness of the US and UK creating Israel thinking there'd be absolutley no problems at all. Other than pissing of the entire arab world.

Yay for insulting people with different opinions to you. What gave the Arabs the right to attack Israel? The US and UK created it in order to provide a safe haven and a homeland for Jews. There would be no issue if the aggressive countries just accepted Israel.

 

[Chairman Miaow]

David 'silver spoon up his fucking arse' Cameron. There's probably worst but he's a fucking prick.

Don't forget Nick (I'm the deputy?) Clegg.

Camoron is only allowed to do what he likes because of that **** enabling him!

The worst part about Nick Clegg is that now the Lib Dems will never actually get in. They could have done some real good if they had a backbone, but instead they have just fucked over all the smaller parties.

 

[themyrmidon]

Woodrow Wilson for starting the income tax, major foreign intervention, and being a closet racist, among other things.

Dishonorable mentions go to Hamilton, Lincoln, FDR, and Rumsfeld.

 

[Phisi]

All of them.

P.S. I live in Australia.

I agree with this guy, although if I had to pick a rottenest apple in the lot I'd be John Howard.

 

[Sutter Cane]

I think many of us living in the US would have to say George Bush.

People like to pretend Obama's the reason were in such a bad way but they forget Bush put the whole thing into motion.

It's going to take many elections and many years just to get back to where we were and seeing how shallow our politicians are I don't see any hope in sight.

Really? Bush?? Don't get me wrong, Bush was a shitty president, but the worst? Worse than Jackson and his trail of tears? Worse than Johnson who fucked up reconstruction? Worse than Grant who let corruption run wild? Worse than Coolidge who set up the great depression? Worse than Harding who failed to prevent the great depression?

For me, personally, yes I consider Bush to be the worst.

I have friends and family who were sent to Iraq and never made it back. And due to the chain of events Bush started by his stupidity and greed me, my friends, and my family can barely get by because of the economy.

So you're saying that bush is worse than leaders who engaged in deliberate acts of cruelty based on ethnicity, and whose decisions made conditions significant worse for said group of people, simply because its personally affected you? While it certainly justifies your dislike of him, calling him the worst president of all time based on that simply reeks of egoism.

Next time I will make my decision only after I set aside myself, my family, my friends, my race, my religion, my opinions, and my personal experiences and how they've effected me to give a proper robotic answer derived from statistics so that I am selfless and therefore don't reek of egoism.

Well in this case, yes you should, as you have not personally experienced all 200+ years of American history personally.

Every president who's ever lived has fucked over a group of people based on ethnicity/standing and made conditions significantly worse for said group of people. Are you saying the suffering of one group of people should be seen as less disgraceful as the suffering of a different group? Because it certainly seems like that's what your saying, and that's fucked up.

Please name ONE thing that the Bush administration carried out and actively supported that is even in the same ballpark of the trail of tears.

 

[Eddie the head]

I don't want to say he was a bad leader but Reagan has lead to a lot of right wing bull shit. I mean I thought he was ok I guess but there are tests like are you a Reagan republican? And Reagan would have failed that test. So I guess it is more the idea of the guy is bad he himself wasn't.


For just truly bad Andrew Johnson has to be up there.

 

[aprildog18]

Honestly I would say George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson etc were are pretty crappy leaders, only because they fought a war to create the country in the first place. We might as well have just stayed a colony of Brittan and just joined Canada in one big happy north american family (maybe conquer mexico).

But then we would all be using lightning rods with big round spheres on the top.

OT: I would say George Bush (mainly his administration), Reagan, Nixon I guess, but he did improve foreign relations. Not sure about Obama though, seeing he has to deal with such a big mess made by Bush.

 

[katsumoto03]

The stupid man who currently leads our country... right into the ground.

 

[Korolev]

I live in Australia, and while we haven't had many "good" Prime Ministers, none have been incredibly bad.

When I say bad, I'm talking about Buchanan bad, I'm talking about Syngman Rhee bad, I'm talking about Idi Amin bad. When you see how bad other leaders can be, it makes you thankful that at the worst, our leaders can be slightly mean and incompetent. We've never had a genuinely evil person in power. Yes, I didn't like Howard, but the man wasn't evil, not by any stretch of the imagination.

The absolute worst leader we've ever had would have to be.... hm. Well, John Howard. No, I don't think he was totally evil, and he did some good things and generally managed the economy pretty well as well as Law and Order issues. However, he got us involved in Iraq due to his brownnosing of the American President. He also delayed action on Climate Change, and he once tried (this was before he was Prime Minister) block refugees fleeing communist prosecution from Vietnam from entering Australia. He was a mean old bastard, and I never liked him because I always suspected he was racist against Asians. Given that I'm half Chinese, I always suspected he was half-racist against me.

 

[Erttheking]

I lot of people over here seem to point to Jimmy Carter, from what I hear he royally fucked up the economy. I wouldn't know personally, he was a little before my time and he isn't exactly a hot topic in history class, also I'm too lazy to look him up.

 

[Ldude893]

Uh, if you're in China, how can you say that without uh... Er... Gaining some "Attention" from the government? No offense to you, I'm not trying to sound like I'm joking, but isn't this the sort of thing that causes people to... "Disappear"?

I live in Hong Kong. It's technically part of China but with it's own system; a little corner of freedom in a giant country of authoritarian suck, at least until 2047 when China's allowed to change Hong Kong's system per an agreement with the British.
Over here, we've got mass candle-lighting memorials for the Tiananmen incident every June 4th.

 

[ThePenguinKnight]

For me, personally, yes I consider Bush to be the worst.

I have friends and family who were sent to Iraq and never made it back. And due to the chain of events Bush started by his stupidity and greed me, my friends, and my family can barely get by because of the economy.

So you're saying that bush is worse than leaders who engaged in deliberate acts of cruelty based on ethnicity, and whose decisions made conditions significant worse for said group of people, simply because its personally affected you? While it certainly justifies your dislike of him, calling him the worst president of all time based on that simply reeks of egoism.

Next time I will make my decision only after I set aside myself, my family, my friends, my race, my religion, my opinions, and my personal experiences and how they've effected me to give a proper robotic answer derived from statistics so that I am selfless and therefore don't reek of egoism.

Well in this case, yes you should, as you have not personally experienced all 200+ years of American history personally.

Every president who's ever lived has fucked over a group of people based on ethnicity/standing and made conditions significantly worse for said group of people. Are you saying the suffering of one group of people should be seen as less disgraceful as the suffering of a different group? Because it certainly seems like that's what your saying, and that's fucked up.

Please name ONE thing that the Bush administration carried out and actively supported that is even in the same ballpark of the trail of tears.

So let me get this straight, You actually want me to judge 200+ years of american history atrocities that even you admit I have never experienced? You want me to sit here and say that I believe X atrocity is worse than Y atrocity? Sure, lets see how sensible that would be in a hypothetical situation.

Hey fatherless child of war! You shouldn't feel so bad that your father was tortured until he died laying in his own waste from starvation! Being captured by terrorists isn't as bad as being a slave! Now stop crying because you're egotistical, it could have been worse.

You want to talk egotistical? You're the one trying to control my opinions.

I don't mind the thread subject and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I just don't like being badgered because I dislike Bush more than previous presidents due to personal experiences rather than historical happenings.

 

[StormShaun]

Tony Abbott. He's not PM yet, but he will be.

And I will rue that day.

Yeah, I ditto that.
But it's not like we're not already hating on Julia Gillard or Kevin Rudd.

We really need better leaders here in Australia. :S

 

[Dryk]

Tony Abbott. He's not PM yet, but he will be.

And I will rue that day.

I was actually thinking of saying that but I was not sure of how it would go over.

Goes over well with me.

Tony Abbott. He's not PM yet, but he will be.

And I will rue that day.

Yeah, I ditto that.
But it's not like we're not already hating on Julia Gillard or Kevin Rudd.

We really need better leaders here in Australia. :S

The difference as I see it is that they're actually trying to spend money and improve this country, they're just screwing it up more often than not.

 

[J Tyran]

Oliver Cromwell, he was a puritanical Christian nutcase. His invasion of mainland Ireland bordered on ethnic cleansing and thousands where butchered during the campaign.

I'm now arguing for Cromwell in two separate threads on these forums. What has my life become ...? Anyway, as much as you're titled to your opinion:

Cromwell attempted to deliver widespread Parliamentary reforms that wouldn't be witnessed again until the Great Reform Act of 1832. His religious tolerance was astounding for the time - the Cavalier Parliament that came subsequently reversed this in the most disastrous ways. His foreign policy established England as one of the foremost military powers in Europe for a brief time - again Charles II would lose this quickly. He was a principled man, and highly religious - but no "nutcase".

The people sheltering in the church after surrendering during the sacking of Drogheda witnessed Cromwells religious tolerance. That atrocity was only one in many. Another atrocity that stands out was the capture and enslavement of Irish children, basically sending vast uncounted numbers of children to the West Indies to be worked to death in sugar plantations. Even back in England he oppressed people and dictated how they should live their lives, he banned things like sport and going to a theatre. Children caught playing sports would be whipped.

He was also a dictator because he dismissed parliament. Anyone that kills or starts wars in the name of religion is definitely a nutcase, Cromwell didn't just kill or start a war either. He started a campaign of ethnic cleansing, his goal was to reduce the Irish Catholic population and to use terror tactics to "tame" (his words) the Irish Catholics that where left.

In some ways it could be argued he was the Hitler of his time. All the elements are there, genocidal religious intolerance, a series of atrocities and mass killings, oppression of his own people by forcing his own biases onto them and starting a war motivated by his hatred and biases.

His actions are really indefensible.

 

[Revnak_v1legacy]

*snip*Coolidge*ship*

Never heard of anybody calling him out before. Care to explain? I am genuinely curious.

 

[Gavmando]

Australia:

Our worst leader hasnt been voted in yet. His name will be Tony Abbott. He's a hard core religious freak who uses fear mongering to gain support. He will be the worst thing that happens to our country since Howards work choices.

 

[Ch@Z]

Buchanan, LBJ, and Andrew Johnson. All of them crazy, all of them morons, all of them terrible leaders.

LBJ was awesome. If he didn't go to Vietnam, he would have been considered one of the greatest presidents of all time.

He fought for Civil Rights, made education cheaper with financial aid, reduced poverty dramatically, established Medicaid, made immigration easier, consumer protection, gun control, space race..... the list goes on man.