would you ever become vegan?

[Kurokasumi]

I would never become vegetarian or any branch of it. Simply because if I ran into a grizzly bear, I don't think I have any chance of it being a 'Vegetarian' grizzly bear. Pretty sure I would be torn apart very painfully and fed to it's children.

 

[rubinigosa]

wait ?...what ? either I am miss understanding what you have written or did you just hint that you get more attractive if you eat vegan ?...If I am miss understanding then I am sorry.

you're at peace, you respect all others and their decisions and you like what you see in the mirror (both physically and psychologically) ... if that's the case then cravings won't be an issue ... especially with all the beautiful vegan cuisine from all around the world to keep your taste buds occupied

no, you don't have to be attractive to look in the mirror, smile and feel good about yourself

Yes, I know that you do not have to be attractive to do that.But many people still think that they have to be "attractive" to do that.

and that's the problem ... like i said, if you feel good about yourself after you've changed your life in some way, you seem healthier, feel healthier and are committed and at peace ... then you're going to want to smile when you look in the mirror.

those people who think that are obviously in a dark place .. either that or they're insensitive douchebags ... when you feel good about yourself and you find peace and confidence then looking in the mirror and smiling isn't something you have to try to do ... you just will

I agree with you about this but I do not agree with persons that says that you have to do a certain change to do this like going vegan.

no, no ,no u missed my point .. i didn't say you needed an extreme change to achieve this ... what i meant was as long as you feel good about yourself no one elses opinion should get in the way of that depending on the context.

i used veganism as an example since it's the primary subject in this thread .. it could be anything you do, as long as it works for you and makes you feel good.

Actually it seems like you missed my point (or I did a translation mistake) because you just wrote that I missed your point then wrote the point I was trying to tell you...anyway it seems like we are agreeing about the subject.

 

[Lyri]

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Real vegans don't wear leather shoes.

I know a Vegan and he has to supplement vitamins and minerals that he doesn't get from meat into his diet.
I wouldn't be so sure on those "healthy pro's" because you went vegan, there is conversely a lot you're giving up.

Oh, he also has anal fisures because of it, just sayin'.

 

[LandoCristo]

Hell to the no. I would if that was the only food available, but you can't get me to do it willingly. Maaayyybbee vegetarian if I didn't have to do the cooking myself (I hate cooking vegetables) but never full vegan. I love my milk on my breakfast cereal too much to switch to soy.

 

[Beliyal]

No - From my view point vegetarianism is hypocritical. I believe all life has equal value. did you know plants scream in the ultra sonic range when damaged, or that the acacia tree will release tannins when fed apon which makes its leaves unpalatable. These tannins are also digestion inhibitors. The tree also gives off a scent signal, upon which trees in the surrounding areas will pre-emptively increase their own tannin levels.

In short it knows when it's being eaten and doesn't like it. To me that implies that it feels pain. If it didn't feel pain then how else would it know it's being eaten.

Also this:

Why hypocritical? What is hypocritical about eating only the food you actually like? Because, we're not all vegetarian/vegan only because of animals that suffer. I first am not. Animal suffering is on the list, but not the first on it. I am vegetarian because I love it, because it is beneficial to my health (this is personal only), the food falls lightly on my stomach and I don't feel gloated, it reduced many of my health problems, the cuisine is fantastic and I don't like meat and never really have liked it. I also have no real problems with killing animals; I do have problems with the inhumane treatment of them. Yes, I'm aware that not all cows can live happily ever after on fresh air because there simply is not enough place, but I don't think that should be used as an excuse. We, as a species, evolved enough to develop the concept of ethics and morality, and treating our food they way we treat is, first of all, not healthy for us, and second of all, morally disgusting. Now, I've seen the cows that do live happily ever after on fresh air and I couldn't be happier. They were healthy and not covered in piss and shit of other cows; honestly, what disgusted me the most about slaughterhouses was that feeling that those animals live in unclean conditions and that I eat that afterwards. Also, the problem has never been the sole act of eating meat; the problem is exaggeration. And we exaggerate in meat consumption, just because we can and because it's in a supermarket. If we had to hunt it down on our own, we sure as hell wouldn't be eating it three times a day, 7 days a week. We would ration it and keep one kill maybe for weeks. I'm not for returning thousands of years in the past, but exaggeration is one of the issues. Eating a stake once a week however, is not. But an average omnivore will eat meat at least twice a day.

About plants; yes, there are indications that they do "feel" pain, but we cannot compare plants (a completely different type of beings) to animals. Biologists determined that we belong to two separate kingdoms (unlike the fact that we are animals, just like the ones we eat). On some level, plants can probably feel pain (or at least a basic chemical reaction that implies the loss of life), but I do not think that kind of pain is similar to ours. Plants are organisms that can live for thousands of years (unlike our limited life spans), if you cut the branch off, it will grow back (unlike our body parts), they do not have nerves and a nerve system, they do not tend to their young, they do not have faces, they do not have voices and so on. Besides, what do we consider being painful for the plant? Taking the apple from a tree? Harvesting wheat? Picking up ripe lettuce? Chopping the tree down, walking on grass, picking a flower? It may sound... selfish to think of plants like that, but they are a completely different life form. If we say plants "know" when they're "eaten", should there be protests about destroying bacteria? Because, they are a life form too, and as far as we know, they too maybe feel some sort of primal pain. Besides, people that don't care about the slaughter of animals don't really care about harvesting plants; they just use this as an attack to ask vegetarians "But, aren't plants in pain too?". I don't know, maybe on some level they are. But they are also on many levels completely different from beings that share ancestors with us, and that we have no problems torturing and killing. I mean, this post may sound condemning or patronising, but I find something else hypocritical; people that eat meat with no moral problems that go on talking about "murdering plants". Clearly, murdering anything that isn't human is not on those people's lists as something important. And one more thing; I already said that the sole act of murder is not really the biggest issue. The treatment is the issue, and we can't say that we treat wheat inhumanely, can we? Or could we argue that every time we harvest it, it feels pain? It grows back next season though, so how can we even determine what should be considered painful or inhumane for the plant? These are the reasons that put this plant thing on a whole new level of possible arguments. Which is something we can't address before we address the issue of our four-legged (or winged) close relatives. Which in turn is not something we will solve before we solve the treatment of our fellow humans. But I do like the fact that my simple choice can make a little bit of difference. In this time and age, this kind of a choice shouldn't really be followed with so much controversy and stereotypes.

I'm sorry if this sounds as an attack, because it isn't; I just wanted to put some things in different perspective and to note that not all vegetarians and vegans are so for only one reason, and that reason being the concern for animal welfare There are a lot of possible reason a person may have for being vegetarian or vegan. I personally try not to use the word "vegetarian" for myself, exactly because everyone suddenly starts thinking that I only do it because I weep for animals in slaughterhouses. I do weep for them, but that's nowhere near being the only reason for me choosing this diet and it's not even the first on the list of reasons.

/tl;dr

 

[SsilverR]

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Real vegans don't wear leather shoes.

I know a Vegan and he has to supplement vitamins and minerals that he doesn't get from meat into his diet.
I wouldn't be so sure on those "healthy pro's" because you went vegan, there is conversely a lot you're giving up.

Oh, he also has anal fisures because of it, just sayin'.

i'm not an in-fighter so i don't need leather soles .. i'm more of a balanced technician so i have this softer compound made up of all this other stuff ... even if it is animal produce i won't shed a tear since i know how unrealistic being full vegan is so all i can do is set my own standards and just live happy

 

[spartan231490]

I don't even mean ovo-lacto vegetarian, I'm talking PURE vegan.

Vegans consume neither the animal or the products of any animal with a face, meaning that things like milk, eggs and even honey are off the list.
Apparently, there are quite alot of health benifits that come with going full vegan and i was wondering if anyone else here would do it (I just recently decided to do it for personal reasons) or is already living the vegan lifestyle.

Do you even think humans should become (ok i REALLY don't want to use the word "Vegan" again) herbivores? since our very physiology dictates that we're omnivores and meat to some people is literally the only lifeline.

Personally i feel privileged to be in a society that gives me the option to live whatever lifestyle i want, and although i now personally believe that humans may reach a point where everyone has these options and perhaps should reduce or fully stop meat consumption, not only for overall health but also for the sake of overall ethics.

Hopefully i won't evolve into one of those "omfg u had a BURGER?!?!"**throws bucket of cows blood on mums face** ..... truly cringe worthy >.<
+ i'm not really vegan yet ... only been at it for a week.

I see no reason to. I love the taste of meat, and the only thing I eat that is technically vegan is probably water. I don't think that it's more healthy either, there are plenty of people who eat meat and are very healthy. And I don't think there is anything even remotely ethically questionable about eating meat either. Everything in nature survives only through murder, and us humans aren't so far above nature as we often delude ourselves into thinking.
To clarify, I have nothing against vegans, I have a very good friend who is a vegan, but I also can't agree with any argument that being vegan is ethically superior.

 

[Canid117]

Why would anyone do such an awful thing by choice?

 

[teebeeohh]

if it gives me telekinetic powers yes, otherwise no

 

[SsilverR]

wait ?...what ? either I am miss understanding what you have written or did you just hint that you get more attractive if you eat vegan ?...If I am miss understanding then I am sorry.

you're at peace, you respect all others and their decisions and you like what you see in the mirror (both physically and psychologically) ... if that's the case then cravings won't be an issue ... especially with all the beautiful vegan cuisine from all around the world to keep your taste buds occupied

no, you don't have to be attractive to look in the mirror, smile and feel good about yourself

Yes, I know that you do not have to be attractive to do that.But many people still think that they have to be "attractive" to do that.

and that's the problem ... like i said, if you feel good about yourself after you've changed your life in some way, you seem healthier, feel healthier and are committed and at peace ... then you're going to want to smile when you look in the mirror.

those people who think that are obviously in a dark place .. either that or they're insensitive douchebags ... when you feel good about yourself and you find peace and confidence then looking in the mirror and smiling isn't something you have to try to do ... you just will

I agree with you about this but I do not agree with persons that says that you have to do a certain change to do this like going vegan.

no, no ,no u missed my point .. i didn't say you needed an extreme change to achieve this ... what i meant was as long as you feel good about yourself no one elses opinion should get in the way of that depending on the context.

i used veganism as an example since it's the primary subject in this thread .. it could be anything you do, as long as it works for you and makes you feel good.

Actually it seems like you missed my point (or I did a translation mistake) because you just wrote that I missed your point then wrote the point I was trying to tell you...anyway it seems like we are agreeing about the subject.

nah, u made no errors ... twas i .. with my 5am sleepiness XD ... either way i think we both said what we needed to say and we both understand each others perspective so it's all good

i feel like there's more to be said but for the life of me i can't seem to think ... more i need sleep but it could be that most of you guys are right and i need more cod liver omega 3 haha ^^ ... the cod teases me .... knowing i will never jack his liver ... wait wtf am i talking about ... LOL imma pass out now XD

 

[Frankydee]

Nope.

For one I adopted the idea that changing your diet because you somehow feel consuming meat is morally wrong isn't a very good reason to change it in the first place.

And for another thing I enjoy my diet as it is. I could see maybe going vegan later on in life if I felt like I needed to watch my health more. But I'm not one of these people that just turns into a health nut overnight.

 

[goldfalsebond]

Are you kidding me? Hell no. I would never, EVER give up my rare steak. Being vegan is stupid and only hurts your body. Whats worse, if you try and make your new born child vegan, you are going to have one malnourished baby on your hands.

 

[Commander Nines]

Ok, the Scott Pilgrim thing has been overused, but I cant help myself.

Yes, if being Vegan made me into a demi-god I would. I so would. Screw meat, eggs, hell even cheese. Glorious power...

But under normal circumstances, no. I love cheese. I love sour cream. I love milk. I could probably do without steaks and bacon, but omnivore sounds so much more balanced, no need to go to the extremes. And on a side note, every time I hear a so called vegetarian ask for chicken or fish I want to wring there necks. Seriously, its still meat!

 

[ethaninja]

No. It's stupid and no. Health risks occur when you don't eat meat.

 

[cWg | Konka]

I dont understand how people can eat twigs and leaves and call it food? if your food doesnt have a face and a soul it isnt worth eating

 

[squiggothhunter]

I am the opposite of a vegan, pure carnivore baby. I really never grew out of that 7 year old stage where you refuse all veggies lol. I like my steaks bloody, my burgers grilled, and my vitamins coming from well...a vitamin lol. Actually my diet is really pure protein and a couple vitamins

 

[SkyeNeko]

I'd probably be a carnivore. I hate veggies...

And i still think that an omnivorous diet is still healthier than going all the way to one side.

 

[rubinigosa]

wait ?...what ? either I am miss understanding what you have written or did you just hint that you get more attractive if you eat vegan ?...If I am miss understanding then I am sorry.

you're at peace, you respect all others and their decisions and you like what you see in the mirror (both physically and psychologically) ... if that's the case then cravings won't be an issue ... especially with all the beautiful vegan cuisine from all around the world to keep your taste buds occupied

no, you don't have to be attractive to look in the mirror, smile and feel good about yourself

Yes, I know that you do not have to be attractive to do that.But many people still think that they have to be "attractive" to do that.

and that's the problem ... like i said, if you feel good about yourself after you've changed your life in some way, you seem healthier, feel healthier and are committed and at peace ... then you're going to want to smile when you look in the mirror.

those people who think that are obviously in a dark place .. either that or they're insensitive douchebags ... when you feel good about yourself and you find peace and confidence then looking in the mirror and smiling isn't something you have to try to do ... you just will

I agree with you about this but I do not agree with persons that says that you have to do a certain change to do this like going vegan.

no, no ,no u missed my point .. i didn't say you needed an extreme change to achieve this ... what i meant was as long as you feel good about yourself no one elses opinion should get in the way of that depending on the context.

i used veganism as an example since it's the primary subject in this thread .. it could be anything you do, as long as it works for you and makes you feel good.

Actually it seems like you missed my point (or I did a translation mistake) because you just wrote that I missed your point then wrote the point I was trying to tell you...anyway it seems like we are agreeing about the subject.

nah, u made no errors ... twas i .. with my 5am sleepiness XD ... either way i think we both said what we needed to say and we both understand each others perspective so it's all good

i feel like there's more to be said but for the life of me i can't seem to think ... more i need sleep but it could be that most of you guys are right and i need more cod liver omega 3 haha ^^ ... the cod teases me .... knowing i will never jack his liver ... wait wtf am i talking about ... LOL imma pass out now XD

Yeah,you do that before you accidentally steals the cods liver but seriously I didn't notice this until now but why is it not a poll ? anyway feels a bit wrong when you say that "we" might be right after you have defended your opinion.

 

[RatRace123]

Nope, I love meat too much to give it up.

 

[Feste the Jester]

No. Steak/Pork/Chicken/Fish/other meat/Dairy are all too delicious.

Also, question to others on this forum. Why do so many people disregard fish as a meat and eat it anyways if their "vegetarian" or "vegan".