That would be awesome but I wounder what it would be called then..."labagator","Lab-alligator" or "alligator 2.0"...One can only dream.AccursedTheory said:
would you ever become vegan?
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i would rather eat something with a fighting chance too ... i used to hunt with my dad years ago and like i said earlierjack583 said:
if we hunted our food, i would not be vegan right now ... and animal that has lived a full life in the wild then got killed quickly and cleanly by an ethical hunters bullet is good meat ... no hormones, no cages, no suffering.
but alot of the meat you see in your supermarkets today had no such thing as a fighting chance.
yeah, silent screamers or not ... we gotta eat something. most plants are ready to go ... if they aren't then the edible bits wouldn't be ripe (edible) would they?
like how apples drop from a tree
you are talking to jordanXlord the Vegan Hunter
Hell no
Meat beats Vegan "Powers"
*sees Vegan running for life*
oh Here we go
*Gun Shot*
And other Vegan dead...oh how i love my job
Hell no
Meat beats Vegan "Powers"
*sees Vegan running for life*
oh Here we go
*Gun Shot*
And other Vegan dead...oh how i love my job
We are omnivores by nature so we need a balance of meat and vegetables. I don't see point of not eating animal by products. Milking a cow doesn't harm it in any way and we need calcium in our diets. Don't get me wrong I have strong opinions against animal cruelty but we need to survive and thats just how nature works, the predators kill and eat the prey.
When I was younger I did actually try being vegan, lasted about two months. I can honestly say I have never felt so bad in my life: weak and tired. No, I wasn't just eating broccoli. I had soy and beans and all that stuff, but it just doesn't cut it.
To anyone who says being vegan is healthier I really want to give them a good shake. Healthier than what? Eating at McDonalds? Well duh! but healthier than eating an honestly balanced diet of animals that were farm raised, fed on real food, and ethically treated mixed with green vegetables and grains? I don't see how, you are just denying yourself additional nutrients.
Every long term vegan I have ever met looked like they were one step away from anorexia.
As for ethics... what is ethical? There is no objective answer to that, just limitless subjectives varying from culture to culture. I personally see nothing wrong with killing an animal so I can supplement my diet. That's just the reality of life.
To anyone who says being vegan is healthier I really want to give them a good shake. Healthier than what? Eating at McDonalds? Well duh! but healthier than eating an honestly balanced diet of animals that were farm raised, fed on real food, and ethically treated mixed with green vegetables and grains? I don't see how, you are just denying yourself additional nutrients.
Every long term vegan I have ever met looked like they were one step away from anorexia.
As for ethics... what is ethical? There is no objective answer to that, just limitless subjectives varying from culture to culture. I personally see nothing wrong with killing an animal so I can supplement my diet. That's just the reality of life.
Okay, stop. The answer is no, no going vegan for me. You not only want me to stop eating meat, but no milk? Not a chance.SsilverR said:
As for any possible health benefits, so what? I'm going to die anyway, so screw it. I'm going to have a big juicy burger with a side of fries every now and then and I'm going to enjoy the hell out of it.
I put it to you that it is impossible to actually maintain a true vegan lifestyle. Unless you are aware of every component of every thing you use and research and continuously monitor the manufacturing process it is almost certain that you will use something that has dead bits of animal in it somewhere or was used in its manufacture.SsilverR said:yeah but hunting and caging are 2 different things ... if we still had to hunt i wouldn't be vegan .. quickly killing an animal that has lived a full life to feed yourself and or family is perfectly natural ... caging, unethical farming ... that may be natural ... but there's no balance. it's just something else entirely.RevRaptor said:No - From my view point vegetarianism is hypocritical. I believe all life has equal value. did you know plants scream in the ultra sonic range when damaged, or that the acacia tree will release tannins when fed apon which makes its leaves unpalatable. These tannins are also digestion inhibitors. The tree also gives off a scent signal, upon which trees in the surrounding areas will pre-emptively increase their own tannin levels.
In short it knows when it's being eaten and doesn't like it. To me that implies that it feels pain. If it didn't feel pain then how else would it know it's being eaten.
Also this:
also that chart was interesting but you're assuming ALL these products come from the same company and everyone uses said products. there are ways around living that don't involve the body of a cow
Did you know that rendered animal fat is to this day used in steel mills in the production of sheet steel
Ride in a car? Vegan fail. Live in a house? Vegan fail.
I?m not vegan, but I am a lacto-ovo-vegetarian (I still eat egg and dairy products). I was raised vegetarian, whatever my mother?s reasons were, well, I don?t really care. All I know is that I?ve tried eating meat on various occasions and found it, well, kind of gross. I suppose I gave eating meat the same chance other people give eating nothing but vegetables. I tried it out but it just wasn?t for me.
Just wanted to say that you are certainly correct, many plants do have protein, one example of these rare plants is wheat... yeah. But, it is honestly harder to get a full balanced diet as a vegan. As a vegetarian it's pretty easy, but full on vegan has some challenges to it.SsilverR said:
And the benefits in no way make up for the downsides to me personally.