would you ever become vegan?

[DefunctTheory]

Not so much the 1st world right now, but less wealthy countries have huge food problems and food prices globally are higher than ever before. I read a study which predicted huge water shortages in the next <50 years (damn I need to find that again) and an extremely high amount of food, water and land goes into livestock; which in turn produce huge amounts of methane, which is a greenhouse gas far more worrying than CO2.

I don't know the whole truth, I'm sure, but It seems meat is more trouble than it's worth.

Food prices have been affected due to fuel prices, and the centralization of the food supply, something that would not be affected a global shift of diet. In addition, 'organic' foods that many vegans/vegetarians favor tend to have inflated prices.

Water shortages have little to do with animals, and more to do with pollution . Personally, the only places I've been that had clean water shortages have been Iraq (We didn't do it, they've had shit for water forever) and Korea (Their apartments come furnished with those water dispensers you see in offices, if that tells you anything). Both countries have water issues due to their own reckless behavior. Could water shortages be caused by animal farming? Probably, but I've never read an actual argument for it that hasn't dripped for vege/vegan propaganda and exaggerations.

As for the methane thing... never seen a study that could honestly show how bad cows are to the environment. Methane isn't good, I'll admit to that, but like water studies, methane studies are laced with propaganda, by people who obviously were against the issue at hand before they even started.

 

[Shining_Pyrelight]

I'm dangerously close to cutting out all meat and animal products, I just don't like the stigma attached to it lol

Besides, healthy food costs alot more than bad food, and I buy games so my extra funds are quite limited

 

[rubinigosa]

Only if we manage to grow animal tissue and products such as milk in labs cheaply. Otherwise domesticated Chickens, Cows, lambs and Turkeys are reasonably stupid animals and I feel far, far worse about the ways we lock them in tiny cages and inhumanly slaughter them than I do about actually eating their meat.

We have managed to grow animal tissue in labs I heard it feels and taste like chicken but you can not buy it yet.

 

[DefunctTheory]

Only if we manage to grow animal tissue and products such as milk in labs cheaply. Otherwise domesticated Chickens, Cows, lambs and Turkeys are reasonably stupid animals and I feel far, far worse about the ways we lock them in tiny cages and inhumanly slaughter them than I do about actually eating their meat.

We have managed to grow animal tissue in labs I heard it feels and taste like chicken but you can not buy it yet.

Has to pass by the doors of the Food Administration first.

Guess how long their going to drag it out.

 

[SsilverR]

No - From my view point vegetarianism is hypocritical. I believe all life has equal value. did you know plants scream in the ultra sonic range when damaged, or that the acacia tree will release tannins when fed apon which makes its leaves unpalatable. These tannins are also digestion inhibitors. The tree also gives off a scent signal, upon which trees in the surrounding areas will pre-emptively increase their own tannin levels.

In short it knows when it's being eaten and doesn't like it. To me that implies that it feels pain. If it didn't feel pain then how else would it know it's being eaten.

Also this:

yeah but hunting and caging are 2 different things ... if we still had to hunt i wouldn't be vegan .. quickly killing an animal that has lived a full life to feed yourself and or family is perfectly natural ... caging, unethical farming ... that may be natural ... but there's no balance. it's just something else entirely.

also that chart was interesting but you're assuming ALL these products come from the same company and everyone uses said products. there are ways around living that don't involve the body of a cow

 

[Frozen Donkey Wheel2]

A-Lot-of-Words Memorial
In Honor of the Words Who Were Deleted in the Name of Post Cleanliness

May We Never Forget Your Sacrifice

Ah, I see. Sorry for kinda biting your head off, there.

And that milk thing actually makes a lot of sense.

 

[flagship]

Only if we manage to grow animal tissue and products such as milk in labs cheaply. Otherwise domesticated Chickens, Cows, lambs and Turkeys are reasonably stupid animals and I feel far, far worse about the ways we lock them in tiny cages and inhumanly slaughter them than I do about actually eating their meat.

We have managed to grow animal tissue in labs I heard it feels and taste like chicken but you can not buy it yet.

Yes that's why I used the word cheaply, currently it's very very expensive. I'm actually quite interested if we'll manage to replace most animal meat by meat grown in labs in the next couple decades.

 

[Angus565]

No probably never. My love of bacon, steak and dairy products far out-ways my love for nature and animals.

 

[rubinigosa]

Only if we manage to grow animal tissue and products such as milk in labs cheaply. Otherwise domesticated Chickens, Cows, lambs and Turkeys are reasonably stupid animals and I feel far, far worse about the ways we lock them in tiny cages and inhumanly slaughter them than I do about actually eating their meat.

We have managed to grow animal tissue in labs I heard it feels and taste like chicken but you can not buy it yet.

Has to pass by the doors of the Food Administration first.

Guess how long their going to drag it out.

A weary,weary,weary long time I guess...but we have still managed to make synthetic chicken meat.

 

[SsilverR]

I'm dangerously close to cutting out all meat and animal products, I just don't like the stigma attached to it lol

Besides, healthy food costs alot more than bad food, and I buy games so my extra funds are quite limited

yeah, it takes the piss that people are exploiting so called healthy foods and selling stuff you could've made at home for under £1 for as high as £4.29 or similar ... perhaps higher

with that much cash you could make the same thing 10 times over at home ... basically this is the golden rule of veganism or vegetarianism .... you will have to learn to cook

once you do you'll find out how cheap vegan food really is

 

[game-lover]

NO.

No, no, no, no, no. NEVER.

I like my flesh and dairy and eggs too much.

Health is overrated.

 

[Thedarkness77]

No i would never do that i like meat too much.

 

[rubinigosa]

wait ?...what ? either I am miss understanding what you have written or did you just hint that you get more attractive if you eat vegan ?...If I am miss understanding then I am sorry.

you're at peace, you respect all others and their decisions and you like what you see in the mirror (both physically and psychologically) ... if that's the case then cravings won't be an issue ... especially with all the beautiful vegan cuisine from all around the world to keep your taste buds occupied

no, you don't have to be attractive to look in the mirror, smile and feel good about yourself

Yes, I know that you do not have to be attractive to do that.But many people still think that they have to be "attractive" to do that.

 

[DefunctTheory]

Only if we manage to grow animal tissue and products such as milk in labs cheaply. Otherwise domesticated Chickens, Cows, lambs and Turkeys are reasonably stupid animals and I feel far, far worse about the ways we lock them in tiny cages and inhumanly slaughter them than I do about actually eating their meat.

We have managed to grow animal tissue in labs I heard it feels and taste like chicken but you can not buy it yet.

Has to pass by the doors of the Food Administration first.

Guess how long their going to drag it out.

A weary,weary,weary long time I guess...but we have still managed to make synthetic chicken meat.

When they can make synthetic alligator, and make it NOT a specialized food, I'll jump for joy.

 

[Screamarie]

Nope. While I am an avid animal lover, I see nothing wrong with eating animals or things such as milk or honey because...I am an animal. I don't believe that I, being a human being, am any better or worse than other animals because I have the higher learning capabilities. I have fur, though a lot less than others, if I had young they wouldn't have been born in eggs and I would give them milk from my body, face it, we're mammals. Just because we can do math doesn't change that.

So like any other animal that is an omnivore I will eat meat and plants, but of course I will not say anything against people who wish to be a vegetarian or a vegan. In fact I applaud them...as long as they really are what they say they are. I do not appreciate people that say "I don't eat meat" and then bite into a chicken leg or take another bite of tuna filet.

 

[Joe Myers]

One of my aunts has been a vegan for years and she took me to a vegan cooking conference one summer since she knows I enjoy cooking. I was actually surprised at the wide variety of foods and recipes they had! As to whether or not I'd actually become one, I don't know, but I can at least say that I know it wouldn't be as awful as some people make it out to be.

 

[jack583]

i would not.
why?
well look at it this way:
plant cells and animal cells are exactly the same. execpt that the plant cell has an added "cell wall".
now plants--as a whole, not just cells--do not have nerves and therefore can't feel pain.
they also can't defend themselves or run.
but when eaten, the plant cells will die the same way animal cells would.
so eating a plant is the same as eating a cow.
the difference is that plants can't cry out in pain as you kill them.
the cells could be feeling pain, but they can't scream out saying they are.
the just have to sit there, motionless, waiting to die.

so yeah, i'd rather eat something that has a fighting chance, then something that can't fight back.

 

[SsilverR]

A-Lot-of-Words Memorial
In Honor of the Words Who Were Deleted in the Name of Post Cleanliness

May We Never Forget Your Sacrifice

Ah, I see. Sorry for kinda biting your head off, there.

And that milk thing actually makes a lot of sense.

it's cool man ^^

yeah, some of the documentaries i've seen scared the hell out of me .. apparently when the cows get pumped with these chems they also have a bit of a pus discharge along with the milk ... and this pus is meant to be the same colour but slightly thicker .. meaning some cartons or whatever of milk (mostly cheap milk, but u never know) might have cow pus in it

apart from needless slaughter and suffering caused ... i'm also worried about what they're putting in the meat to make it bigger, grow faster ect ... then they not only deem this worthy of consumption by my fellow man .. but they sell it to people with a grin on their faces ... these same people go home and feed their kids this corrupt meat .. not their fault .. but what can they do?

obviously this isn't all companies, some take care of their animals and methods of slaughter are humane ... it's just that we really don't know what's going on behind closed doors