Would you mind black actors portraying superheroes who are normally white?

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Pyode said:
I only think that should happen if we where talking about very minor script changes, like references to the characters home life, but if we are talking about changing the character entirely, I say absolutely not.

I'll stick with the Pulp Fiction example because it's a great example of race being essential to the character.

The character that Sam Jackson played in Pulp Fiction, Jules, was based entirely on the stereotypical "cool black guy" from the 70's. His entire attitude and personality reflect that. If you take those attributes away, not only do you have to change that character, but entire scenes that he is involved in.

The diner scene, for example, (one of my personal favorites) just would not have worked the same if they had cast a white guy for the character.
The thing is...can you really count a Pulp Fiction character as a "superhero"?

I'm thinking comic book characters here, and I don't think I've really seen any whose character is that dependant on his/her race.

This isn't a description about characters in general, it's about superheroes.
 

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I was watching Donald Glover on Comedy Central Presents and it reminded me of the campaign for him to audition for the new Spider-Man. I personally don't mind because a character like Peter Parker is the everyman. I can't really think of any heroes that are normally white who absolutely have to be white.

What are your thoughts?
For me its not a racial issue, its a point of continuing the character in the light that he/she was created. For instance, Superman has been around since 1938 and he's always been a white guy. I think, and I'm sure the world would think, that if in the new Superman movie they decided to use a black actor it wouldn't fit the character and story.
I don't think that would neccesarily be the case. Yes it would be a little jarring at first but I doubt it would seriously change the character. He would still be the bumbling but humble Kent/almighty Man of Steel. That being said, its time to flex my Superman Mythos muscles. In one continuity, Tangent Comics, Superman actually was a black man. Granted his abilities were more mental and he was a major antagonist.


You can honestly say that after after 80 years of Superman being white people wouldn't blink or say anything negative if they radically changed his appearance? Think about the recent uproar when they changed his image to a more emo-look.
If it was a simple thing like changing his image, than yes I would like to think that it would be looked over after an initial reaction phase. Besides, it has happened before with characters like Two-Face, The Kingpin etc. Now if they changed the character, the core personality(ies), THAT would be far more devastating for the fan base.
 

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I have no problem with black actors playing, Power Man, Blade or Black Lightning, but otherwise no if the character is white then the actor should be too
 

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You know it bothers me but I think I would. The same way that I would dislike Peter Parker being played by a blond, or Mary Jane by a brunnete, it would feel wrong. Comics being a visual medium I kind of have picture of the character already.

Sammy J makes Nick Fury though.
 

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TomLikesGuitar said:
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Would you mind if batman was a woman?

Would you mind if captain america was middle eastern?

Of course you would. Comic book hero's have backstories and personæ and physical attributes that define who they are.
No. I really wouldn't. I mean, I thought it was pretty badass when The Question went from this....

(Picture of Vic Sage in the Question suit)

To this.

(Picture of Renee Montoya in the Question suit)
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TomLikesGuitar said:
Would you mind if captain america was middle eastern?
Isn't the only requirement for Captain America the fact that he's American? What does it matter what they change his ethnicity to, he's still the same character. Even during World War II there were people of other races born in America, so as far as I can tell they could cast any muscular person to play the role as long as they were tall and acting extremely noble with a round shield.
Bat"MAN" literally can't be a woman and Batwoman already exists.

Also, there are no "requirements" for any super hero per se, but Steve Rogers (Captain America's secret identity) is a white male. That is a physical trait of the character. To change that, you have to change the character... or at least alter the story slightly.

The Question transition worked because it was written into the comics as part of the plot. It's not like they're saying, "Here's Vic Sage... except now he's a woman." No... she has a name and was the Question's partner until he died. Besides, the Question is all about the suit and being bad-ass. He doesn't have a superpower or anything. So Batman could do this as well, but it would kind of HAVE to be another male for obvious reason.

On the other hand, Peter Parker is a white male from Queens who got bitten by a radioactive spider and became Spiderman. That is what defines Spiderman. It is not the suit. So you could technically say that some black kid also got bitten by a radioactive spider, but this kid would not be Peter Parker. He would be some entirely new kid... Because, you know, Peter Parker is white... and you just don't do that with one of the MAIN CHARACTERS of any literary piece being translated to film.

I really just don't see the point.
Ah, see to me Peter Parker is a highly intelligent photographer who works for the daily planet and lives in New York. Skin tone has zero effect on his character, black people can be raised by their aunts and uncles in the suburbs, get bit by spiders and be really really smart just the same as white people.

To me it's all Peter's personality traits (shy, awkward, nerdy) and the way he acts out his fantasy of being a total smart ass when he wears his costume that define him. Any person of any race could be all of those things and the character doesn't change.

Same for Bruce Wayne, why couldn't a wealthy black child watch his parents be killed by Joe Chill before deciding to become a vigilante? To paraphrase the movie, "It's not who we are inside that defines us, it's what we do." Basically, to me, heroes are not defined by race but by personality and the action they take.
 
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Nah, go ahead!
In fact, it kinda speaks well on their part that they forget (just once) about if the actor looks like the character and makes sure that they're good. If they're still chosen BECAUSE they're black, then that's just stupid.
 

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But then it is no longer the same character.
Take a character like Batman for example then. We'll go strictly based on the films. Each Batman is different from the next, sometimes not much, but sometimes a large difference. Race doesn't even come into it here. They don't always have to be exactly the same as their source material, and sometimes can end up better by not sticking close to it.
 

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Inb4 every one who says no is accused of being racist.

OT: Depends which character it is and what actor is being considered. I think Sam Jackson does an excellent job as Nick Fury.
 

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Whatever color they are in the comics is the color they should be in the movie. But the day that I see a black Superman is the day I officially stop watching movies.

People are saying stuff like, "Samuel Jackson played a great Nick Fury." Well, in the comics, there is both a black and a white Nick Fury. Since I don't keep up with Marvel, I don't know the story behind it but it just kinda aggravates me when people say things like that. If you're gonna make an argument, please do your homework. Sorry, I don't mean to sound rude...
 

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depends:
1. will they avoid making a point about it?
2. are good actors?

if yes to both, then yes
 

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Also, this kind of happened a few years back when those Justice League cartoons (the newer ones) made Hal Jordan, aka the Green Lantern, a black guy for no apparent reason. That irked me to say the least. Up and suddenly changing an established character's appearance that way for no justifiable reason is just stupid. It was a cartoon, there was no reason for him to be black when the character has always been white.
1) John Stewart is infinitely more awesome than Hal Jordan because he's a former Marine and could kick ass and take names regardless of ring. Let's get that straight right now

John Stewart has been established as a Green Lantern since 1971, so no using him instead of Hal Jordan was not a forced PC thing. I'm going to make the assumption that you watched the JLA series thinking that John was in fact Hal the entire time right? So no, they didn't make Hal black, they just brought in John to the job instead.
 

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With all due respect to our colored brothers and sisters I would say to keep it as it should be. Spiderman is white....Superman is white.....keep it that way with all movies.
 

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Okay for starters I AM NOT RACIST! But I do believe that the actors need to fit the physical description of the certain role they are trying to fulfill! The directors shouldn't say, "Oh, you can't be here because you're (Insert color here)" but they do need to think of the original description of the character. Would they cast a black person to play a KKK member? No! And they shouldn't cast someone who would change the description completely of a superhero...although if they wear a mask the whole thing-who'd know?
 

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Every time a super hero franchise goes through a 'reboot' aspects of the character's story are altered. I don't see how this is any different.
 

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If they could act in a manner that didn't go against the character type, I think it would work.

This means the stereotypical cool-attitude that usually accompanies african american actors who play a heroic role, would not suit it.
A superman acting all cool-black-toughguy, like shaft or the hero's from bad boys, just wouldn't work.

Lawrence Fishburne, as Morpheus in The Matrix, played the character in a way that did not portray the stereotypical black-attitude. It's that sort of acting I feel that would be necessary to make it work.

I think the more mediocre-neutrality that usually stereotypes a caucasian character is generally what is needed for most super hero roles. Their secret identity is usually a mild mannered, everyday type person, or a fairly discrete person despite their success. Even the rich and socialitic alter-identities, such as Bruce Wayne or Tony Stark, are more just flambouyant in their spending of money and dry humour, rather than typically loud or memorable in terms of character, and they usually had their weaknesses of character. The stereotypical black-attitude is more wet humour, very cool and proud, generally devoid of a weakness.

If a black actor could do one of the known superheros in the same dry manner, with a weakness of character people could relate to, I think it would work. But in the same sense, this could be changing the black stereotype to a more white stereotype, which may make it less easy for black people to relate to.

Perhaps these superhero characters just portray a typically caucasian stereotype.

I think if there were to become a new unique superhero, flambouyant and cool in the black stereotype sense, it could work also. The alter ego could be a rich personality, a black rapper or sports person. This could set up a believable reason for the alter ego's fortune.

What about a black boxer who fights crime on the side?
This might fail simply because a black rapper or sports personality is generally quite proud and self-promoting to begin with, so making a superhero of them might be just too much elevating of the character, but then again, thats generally where portraying a weakness in the character becomes effective.


Will Smith in Hancock, and Robert Townsend in Meteor Man, both do a superman role, but it's done rather satirically and more pokes fun at the role. Meteor Man is a good recommendation to watch tho, regarding this topic, as it pretty much was made in an attempt to ask the very same question, Can a black man play superman?
 

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Marter said:
The thing is...can you really count a Pulp Fiction character as a "superhero"?

I'm thinking comic book characters here, and I don't think I've really seen any whose character is that dependant on his/her race.

This isn't a description about characters in general, it's about superheroes.
Well, you didn't seem to have a problem with it when the other guy brought it up, I was simply explaining a problem with your point about changing the script in relation to an example you where already discussing.

As for a super hero that needed to be black, that's super easy. Someone already brought it up, but the Black Panther is an African king. He would pretty much have to be black.

To be honest though, I think they need to stick as close to the original source material as possible and lets face it, changing someones race often means changing their cultural background and changing their cultural background means changing who they are as a person.

That's not to say they would be changes for the worse, but I believe in keeping things true to the original. If it really where as simple as a change in skin pigmentation, I would have no problem, but that would rarely be the case.