cieply said:
Xojins said:
Oh I accept that biologically the main point of sex is to procreate, but in today's world, it's mostly about pleasure (save for some societies, probably). I would go so far as to say that most people (at least young people) who have sex have no intention or desire to have children, hence the use of condoms/birth control. They do it for the pleasure. So by your argument, there must be something defective with them.
Also, let's just examine how you think that homosexuality is something that "goes wrong." Biologically, something that "goes wrong" is a disadvantageous trait, making it less likely for that organism to survive. Homosexuality, however, is not a disadvantageous trait; it certainly isn't an advantageous trait, but not a disadvantage at the same time (according to Sigmund Freud. I can even provide a quotation if needed).
And I said "fuck you" not because I think I'm "better than you," but because I'm gay and I actually take offense to having myself being equated to cancer or asperger syndrome.
Yes but what you described is a byproduct of a healthy and useful process. In the case of homosexuals the process itself is corrupted.
I would say that inability to procreate really decreases chances of the organism to survive. Not as a unit but as a species. I certainly agree with homosexuality being a neutral trait. I only disagree that this is normal and healthy.
These were wrong examples and I stand corrected, what I meant was that this is something you are born with (although some disagree but that's not the point), a mild deviation with no real disadvantages for a concerned person. Still, I refuse to accept it as norm or a standard. I refuse to accept "equality" of homosexuality and heterosexuality. I will not succumb to a lie, even if it is to grant tolerance for homosexuals that they rightfully deserve. Tolerance should flow from understanding and letting others live the way they want, not from a brainwash that those to variants are equal.
It's not so useful if there's no intention to procreate is there? And why is heterosexuality "healthy"? I see no difference in health between any regular straight or regular gay person.
Well, if our species is to die out, it certainly will not be because of homosexuality. Plenty of homosexuals donate sperm or have artificially inseminated children, in which case they "do their part to further the species," as you would say. Also, not even all heterosexuals have children, so they would be equally detrimental to our species survival, by your logic. There's also a difference between the norm and normal. Homosexuality certainly is not the norm, but it's normal (homosexuality exists outside of the human species).
Your latent homophobia comes across a lot in this last part. Basically what you are saying is that heterosexuals are superior to homosexuals, which is bullshit and oh so ignorant in almost every aspect. Yes, heterosexuals reproduce more effectively. Big fuckin' deal. Higher reproduction rates are the last thing our species needs right now. As I've already said, homosexuals can reproduce via artificial insemination. Not as effective, but it works. Plus, if it came down to it, I'm sure a gay guy would have sex with a woman to ensure the continuation of our species.
Yes, tolerance should flow from understanding and not brainwashing, but it works both ways. The reason homosexuality is traditionally is a taboo thing is due mostly to media reflecting the values and traditions of those in power. Guess who those people are? Right-wing conservatives *GASP*. Where do those conservative values come from? Most of it has to do with religion and the bible, which most people believe to be fiction anyway. So basically, the intolerance of homosexuality historically is based on religious beliefs, which some could consider (and many do) brainwashing. But don't pay attention to that, it'll put many holes in your explanation next time.