WoW Player Claims Kicked from Guild for Being Deaf

[Arehexes]

Ha.
This deaf guy wants to get even he should go make his own guild. Don't get sad, get mad, and then go excel at the game in your own way without the other bunch of losers.

Actually, he did form his own guild.

thats great. now we have an actual guild that dosent hate people for being diffrent

Well what disability do you have, is it not being able to read a whole comment. I'm still waiting on your thoughts on this

He tells me that i can't raid unless i have vent. Guild rules and all. I was pissed. After a huge blow out between us i get removed from the guild and put on ignore. Our guild wasn't even that good. We did naxx full clear 10 man once.

well?

aspergers and ive dealt with discrimination as well which is why im defending him

But here is the thing, we don't know what happened during the "big blow out" he and the guild master had. He could have said something to pis the guild master off. I know you want to defend the poor guy, I know people with disability have it rough (I maybe not have any myself, but I have helped those with them and have family close to me with disabilities who were treated bad). Your just blindly defending him because he is deaf, when he clearly said they had a blow out which lead to him getting banned.

I was pissed. After a huge blow out between us i get removed from the guild and put on ignore.

Do you know what happened between them, I wanna know the full argument word for word, so I know who was really in the wrong. If not piss off, because your just a pest who is defending someone without getting all the facts. I hate people who will take someones side just because "they know what they are going through", give us the facts you must obviously have.

EDIT:One more thing, this topic isn't about you so stop projecting yourself in what happened to ignore the facts.

 

[emeraldrafael]

I think the saying: "It's a game" can be applied here to both parties.

I dont think the fact that its a game applies to him. I think its more that he found a place of understanding after being ostracized, and then was ostracized again. With the "victim" I get it cause its more psychologically hurtful then anything else. Besides, he said he just watned to vent. Not like he was calling for blood or anything.

But yeah, a game's a game. Though Is till think its wrong to ostracize someone like that.

 

[Caiti Voltaire]

And with this being the representative, I will find bliss in my ignorance.

Fair enough. I'll go ahead and assume all your points are irelevant then.

The important thing is that you've found a way to feel superior.

I think the saying: "It's a game" can be applied here to both parties.

I dont think the fact that its a game applies to him. I think its more that he found a place of understanding after being ostracized, and then was ostracized again. With the "victim" I get it cause its more psychologically hurtful then anything else. Besides, he said he just watned to vent. Not like he was calling for blood or anything.

But yeah, a game's a game. Though Is till think its wrong to ostracize someone like that.

It is, but that seems to be a minority opinion.

 

[Anarchemitis]

Somebody gift this man Team Fortress 2: The game which has equal opportunity for the sensory-imparied.

If you have difficulty seeing information in-game, enable Use Color-Blind mode in Advanced Multiplayer Options.

 

[Antidrall]

Just when I thought total dickheads weren't a guildwide thing in WoW.

 

[Kortney]

I think the saying: "It's a game" can be applied here to both parties.

I dont think the fact that its a game applies to him. I think its more that he found a place of understanding after being ostracized, and then was ostracized again. With the "victim" I get it cause its more psychologically hurtful then anything else. Besides, he said he just watned to vent. Not like he was calling for blood or anything.

But yeah, a game's a game. Though Is till think its wrong to ostracize someone like that.

Oh of course it is. My intention wasn't to suggest that the deaf gentleman was in the wrong or anything, but I do believe his reaction went a little over board. No one should ever ostracise someone like that, but it's not the end of the world either. I don't play WoW, but I'm certain that most people and most guilds would not do this.

If he is so adamant about finding a place of understanding in the virtual world, he could just move on to another guild. But yeah, I can certainly empathise with him to a degree.

Anyway, I'm sure his thread/comment would of attracted a few offers from guild leaders across the game. Sure of it.

 

[emeraldrafael]

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Well, yeah, there is that at least. Too bad you odnt hear as many good stories as you do bad about gaming. Makes everyone involved seem to be massively outlandish pricks.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

this is ridiculous. this is one reason why i absolutely hate playing online in any type of game, people online have a serious probably with being douchebag galores on the most uptight of hardcoreness.

its a fucking game. you pay to play, not get paid to play, so fuck off all that horseshit.

i feel bad but even i would know not to look to wow for sympathy, between that and a bunch of other multiplayer based games i wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole if my life had just been hit by a flying bag of shit.

serious problems are serious. serious businezz is serious.

 

[Gudrests]

Losing his raid spot- Totally Justified.
Getting Kicked from the guild- Totally Unjustified.

Do I feel bad for the guy? Sure. Raiding isn't an easy thing, however, one player a second too slow on a progression encounter could be a wipe. But there is still no justified reason for gkicking him simply because he's deaf.

the thing is. the way alot of raiding guilds work is if your not raiding...you arent in the guild. which would mean he gets kicked. Does it suck that he's deaf and because of that he cant raid with them....yeah. but to put it simply he cant do what is needed....

 

[viranimus]

LOL really? this has kept going?

In this day and age of UI mods allowing 10+ rows with 10+ layers of hotkeys its a good thing no one brought up assigning repetitive text/chat commands to hotkeys in advance or the inherent latency and lack of clarity in VOIP transmissions else this arrangement of efficency would all have been kinda pointless.

What I do agree with is the notion of only having half the story. Upon being pointed out by others it is made fairly clear that he initially wasnt kicked out of the guild, his role in the guild was just effectively neutered. And it does seem, at least from the verbiage that the action of ejection was stemming from the deaf kids reaction more than his disability. Cant say as I would blame the deaf kid for his reaction, but as has been pointed out we only have one side of the story and honestly the deaf kid could have been acting like more of a tool than the GL.

Honestly I guess its all irrelevant cause well never really know, will we?

 

[Danceofmasks]

Even in a Survival situation, and this doesn't perfectly to the story, but does fit with what I'm trying to say; If you have a group of 10 people, and one gets crippled (lost of senses, broken bones, disease, etc.), the nine left will feel that they should not abandon a comrade because of a moral, but do know they will not be able to survive or will be slowed down significantly by keeping this crippled person with them. What will they pick? The noble action? Or the action that will save the lives of the nine left?

In such a situation, the logical choice is to discard the liability.

However, I'm not convinced the deaf kid is equivalent to a cripple in this case .. and this here may have been a contributing factor to the blowout.

He's obviously not new at the game, he can still play the game, AND he's been on raids before.

It boils down to reactions.
Being unable to get instantaneous instructions via voice can be an issue, sure ... but a good player will have a fairly good idea what to expect anyway.
If you're ready and primed to do something, actual execution doesn't take very long .. so long as you can take cues from what everyone else is doing.

So, taking the survival analogy, someone broke his leg. Oh, he may slow us down ... but if you know he's an awesome shot you're going to keep him around.

Since the guild in question "isn't that good anyway" at raiding, it's likely the roster would have been FAR from the best.

If I had to hazard a guess, the blowout may have started due to a reaction similar to, "are you serious?! You let @#$%! Jones raid but not me 'cos I can't use vent? I'm a way better player than he is!"

What IS certain, deafness is NOT the core of this issue. 'cos IF it had been clear that the deafness is a severe disadvantage, then the deaf kid would be a moron in ADDITION to being deaf.

The bottom line is, for those who have missed it, this kid WANTS TO RAID.
That means, he isn't playing this game "just for fun."

 

[RaikuFA]

Somebody gift this man Team Fortress 2: The game which has equal opportunity for the sensory-imparied.

If you have difficulty seeing information in-game, enable Use Color-Blind mode in Advanced Multiplayer Options.

agree with this soooooo much. ive never had a problem with a TF2 player acting like a WoW player. and if they did, theyd get kicked

 

[Caiti Voltaire]

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Well, yeah, there is that at least. Too bad you odnt hear as many good stories as you do bad about gaming. Makes everyone involved seem to be massively outlandish pricks.

If there's one notion I do agree with in the defences offered, its that the pricks that be are only a segment of a community. The problem is that they poison the well for everyone involved, because it creates a cloud and negative atmosphere over everything.

 

[emeraldrafael]

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Well, that wasnt really against you. I mean, I agree, to a point you sympathize but he could have moved on. Its just you posted it so flat out and I thought I'd post as a more general opinion to people saying he shouldnt be so thin skinned over a game. So that wasnt at you, just as a general statement that I'm going to take crap for I come almost for see with certainty without intending to flame bait or troll.

Life just happens like that I guess.

 

[Jadak]

Hardly a big deal, for plenty of "serious" guilds, voice chat is mandatory. I'd be kicked out all the same for not using it. It's a game, not a job. Nobody has to make any effort to accommodate him.

 

[Arehexes]

And with this being the representative, I will find bliss in my ignorance.

Fair enough. I'll go ahead and assume all your points are irelevant then.

The important thing is that you've found a way to feel superior.

I think the saying: "It's a game" can be applied here to both parties.

I dont think the fact that its a game applies to him. I think its more that he found a place of understanding after being ostracized, and then was ostracized again. With the "victim" I get it cause its more psychologically hurtful then anything else. Besides, he said he just watned to vent. Not like he was calling for blood or anything.

But yeah, a game's a game. Though Is till think its wrong to ostracize someone like that.

It is, but that seems to be a minority opinion.

He tells me that i can't raid unless i have vent. Guild rules and all. I was pissed. After a huge blow out between us i get removed from the guild and put on ignore. Our guild wasn't even that good. We did naxx full clear 10 man once.

My opinion is based on that statement the deaf kid made, from what this says either the deaf kid is wrong, or the guild leader is wrong. We don't know, and his is very one sided. And if you think it's wrong to ostracize someone then wow could you help me, some nasty trolls from gamefaqs mocked me for my lisp I had on a Lets Play I was making.

He isn't the only one who was shunned or mocked for a problem he can't help, different people have different problems but they all get shunned one way or another THAT'S LIFE(if they can help it or not).

He isn't the only one to lose friends (I lost my childhood friends cause I was black and they weren't when we got older), or to be shunned (I was the "white" kid at my mostly black high school, and I'm black if you didn't guess from my avatar).

Stop putting this kid on a freaking pedistool, and just because YOU don't see this as anything more then a game doesn't mean someone else doesn't. I know people who can't go on without World of Warcraft, it's like a drug for them. We should all follow your example cause it seems your views should be everyone views from your attitude. But I bet you won't respond to this, why would you I bet you feel like your better then me. Because you can give pity to someone you never met, who could have been a ass to his guild master but we only have his word for it.

 

[Fatalistic]

Even in a Survival situation, and this doesn't perfectly to the story, but does fit with what I'm trying to say; If you have a group of 10 people, and one gets crippled (lost of senses, broken bones, disease, etc.), the nine left will feel that they should not abandon a comrade because of a moral, but do know they will not be able to survive or will be slowed down significantly by keeping this crippled person with them. What will they pick? The noble action? Or the action that will save the lives of the nine left?

In such a situation, the logical choice is to discard the liability.

However, I'm not convinced the deaf kid is equivalent to a cripple in this case .. and this here may have been a contributing factor to the blowout.

He's obviously not new at the game, he can still play the game, AND he's been on raids before.

It boils down to reactions.
Being unable to get instantaneous instructions via voice can be an issue, sure ... but a good player will have a fairly good idea what to expect anyway.
If you're ready and primed to do something, actual execution doesn't take very long .. so long as you can take cues from what everyone else is doing.

So, taking the survival analogy, someone broke his leg. Oh, he may slow us down ... but if you know he's an awesome shot you're going to keep him around.

Since the guild in question "isn't that good anyway" at raiding, it's likely the roster would have been FAR from the best.

If I had to hazard a guess, the blowout may have started due to a reaction similar to, "are you serious?! You let @#$%! Jones raid but not me 'cos I can't use vent? I'm a way better player than he is!"

What IS certain, deafness is NOT the core of this issue. 'cos IF it had been clear that the deafness is a severe disadvantage, then the deaf kid would be a moron in ADDITION to being deaf.

The bottom line is, for those who have missed it, this kid WANTS TO RAID.
That means, he isn't playing this game "just for fun."

Good points.
Also, he did state that he's not totally deaf, he has lots of trouble hearing... But he can still hear. Depending on the accident, he could get a hearing aid to help him. It's not a totally loss of sensory input.

 

[Kortney]

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Well, that wasnt really against you. I mean, I agree, to a point you sympathize but he could have moved on. Its just you posted it so flat out and I thought I'd post as a more general opinion to people saying he shouldnt be so thin skinned over a game. So that wasnt at you, just as a general statement that I'm going to take crap for I come almost for see with certainty without intending to flame bait or troll.

Life just happens like that I guess.

Yeah I understand.

Another thing that a few too many have been ignoring is that we don't really know what went on here. He could of been politely told to sit out on a raid due to his hearing (something I don't agree with, but I can understand because WoW is serious business) and he could of then proceeded to flame the guild and get himself kicked. The way he writes gives me vibes that he isn't telling the unbiased truth.

But, then again, they could of acted like major dicks and kicked him for no reason. If thats the case, he should move on.

That's just my nature though - I struggle to take the side of the person who is moaning without evidence. But I repeat, I do empathise with the man, and if I had to take a side it would be with the deaf man.

 

[Arehexes]

LOL really? this has kept going?

In this day and age of UI mods allowing 10+ rows with 10+ layers of hotkeys its a good thing no one brought up assigning repetitive text/chat commands to hotkeys in advance or the inherent latency and lack of clarity in VOIP transmissions else this arrangement of efficency would all have been kinda pointless.

What I do agree with is the notion of only having half the story. Upon being pointed out by others it is made fairly clear that he initially wasnt kicked out of the guild, his role in the guild was just effectively neutered. And it does seem, at least from the verbiage that the action of ejection was stemming from the deaf kids reaction more than his disability. Cant say as I would blame the deaf kid for his reaction, but as has been pointed out we only have one side of the story and honestly the deaf kid could have been acting like more of a tool than the GL.

Honestly I guess its all irrelevant cause well never really know, will we?

Nor anyone on the deaf kid said asking about it, it's automatically the guild masters fault. we don't know what happened T_T.