'Wow, they actually got away with this?' Moments

[lacktheknack]

I amazed that the game Left Behind was even allowed on store shelves. I have never seen anything more close-minded, juvenile, racist, sexist, stupid, offensive and retarded in my entire experience of playing games. I guess that's what you get when you turn a terrible book series that panders to the most extreme of ultra-conservative christian dolts into a game that operates entirely on wiping out other races and religions and perpetuating 19th century gender roles.

You haven't even read the books have you? The early books are really not that bad at all and more of a Christan themed zombie survival story. Where instead of zombies it's the Anti- Christ and his minions.

The first books aren't really anymore pro Christ than say, Narnia.

More than not reading the books, I'm 95% sure he didn't actually play the damn game either. He probably wasn't actually expecting anyone here to have played it and thought he could spew whatever bull he wanted, that's the only reason I can come up with for that comment.

Oh, and YET ANOTHER character I can add to my ever-expanding list of "Anti-Thiests on the Escapist". I feel less welcome here every week.

 

[Vault101]

Ive never really had any problems

But Im very surprised that Deadspace and other similar games got released In australia but L4dead2 didn't I mean how bad could it possibly be?

No, they were released after Michael Atkinson, a politician, resigned. For those who don''t know who Michael Atkinson, he is an Australia politician, infamous for his banning and censoring of games in Australia. So Dead Space 2, which was made after Left 4 Dead 2, was able to be released because not only was Michael Atkinson gone but the laws he helped make and bring to fruition are now being reviewed by some people in government. There is also a petition going around to allow them to be sold and released in Australia, personally I don't know what side of the debate to be on, R 18 games would certainly change our gaming experience but it also might corrupt children more than Cod has done.

Now, after that mouthful of Australian politics I will answer the forum makers question.... Heh, I'm having some trouble here, ummmm I guess... Call of Duty MW2 when America is ripped to shreds by bombs and you can look up and see famous American landmarks burning to pieces.

Thats the thing though, if they are R18+ then it should be harder for kids to get their hands on them and deter parents form buyign them for their kids,though Ive only ever been asked for ID once for an MA15+ game,and I was 18 at the time

plus parents need to take responsibility for what their kids are playing, ts also got to do with the publics persecption of games, thye need to see that the medium is not just an imarture thing for kids that can just be banned and swpet under the carpet

plus there have been no studies to prove that thease violent games have any bad effect on young people (who shouldnt be playing the bloody things in the first place)

 

[Vault101]

How about Fear 2(or was it the first one? It's been a while) where the entire plot is about a little girl is trying to rape both your mind and body. Also she's your mom somehow.

Though I've never actually be offended by anything, so I never think about whether or not something might be going too far. Blatant sexism and racism usually just makes me laugh - as it should.

Ooooh, or maybe that gay scene in Dragon Age if you play a male warden and sleep with Zevran.

I havnt played the first FEAR but the main characher "point man" I understand is Almas son

but becket, the PC from fear2 and the one she is trying to rape is not..I think the plot is very confusing

 

[lacktheknack]

I amazed that the game Left Behind was even allowed on store shelves. I have never seen anything more close-minded, juvenile, racist, sexist, stupid, offensive and retarded in my entire experience of playing games. I guess that's what you get when you turn a terrible book series that panders to the most extreme of ultra-conservative christian dolts into a game that operates entirely on wiping out other races and religions and perpetuating 19th century gender roles.

You haven't even read the books have you? The early books are really not that bad at all and more of a Christan themed zombie survival story. Where instead of zombies it's the Anti- Christ and his minions.

The first books aren't really anymore pro Christ than say, Narnia.

well the Narnia books are actually a bit pro Christan beacuse Aslan is what the author thought Jesus would look like if he was a animal so...Aslan = Jesus making the books pro Christan.

He never said they weren't. Neither series is particularly in-your-face about it, though. At first.

Anyways, this is starting to fall off topic. I'll shut up about the religious aspect that has snuck in if everyone else does, deal?

 

[Risingblade]

I wasn't offended at all, but I'm surprised nobody got angry about the Evokers in Persona 3.

Basically: To cast spells, your characters (mostly teenagers) have to shoot themselves in the head. They're not really using guns, but they look exactly like guns and it's obvious they were going for that kind of symbolism.

Can't think of anything that made me feel like a game had crossed the line, though.

Yeah I actually though Yukari had been trying to commit suicide in the first scene

 

[-Drifter-]

I can think of plenty of 'how'd they get away with that' moments in games. Hell, I mentioned an rpg just the other day, think I saw the topic still active earlier, where you can play as a prostitute for example. And Vampire: Bloodlines is the wonderful, wonderful game I have to thank (This is extreme sarcasm!) for opening my eyes to the snuff genre of film, something which I wish I had never learned existed because it's so grotesque and disgusting and worse, real.

You've probably been told already at this point, but there's no evidence of snuff films being real. They're an urban legend.

Let's see the new 3D castlevania had nipples... Granted they were on a deformed demon woman, but nipples all the same!

If you think that's a big deal then Dante's Inferno would blow your fucking mind.

 

[lacktheknack]

I can think of plenty of 'how'd they get away with that' moments in games. Hell, I mentioned an rpg just the other day, think I saw the topic still active earlier, where you can play as a prostitute for example. And Vampire: Bloodlines is the wonderful, wonderful game I have to thank (This is extreme sarcasm!) for opening my eyes to the snuff genre of film, something which I wish I had never learned existed because it's so grotesque and disgusting and worse, real.

You've probably been told already at this point, but there's no evidence of snuff films being real. They're an urban legend.

There HAVE been verified YouTube snuff films, though. They were three minutes long, but a very despicable and sickening three minutes.

 

[Tony2077]

I wasn't offended at all, but I'm surprised nobody got angry about the Evokers in Persona 3.

Basically: To cast spells, your characters (mostly teenagers) have to shoot themselves in the head. They're not really using guns, but they look exactly like guns and it's obvious they were going for that kind of symbolism.

Can't think of anything that made me feel like a game had crossed the line, though.

Yeah I actually though Yukari had been trying to commit suicide in the first scene

i went into that game knowing about that so it wasn't a big shock to me and really the game came from japan crazy shit is what they do.

 

[-Drifter-]

I can think of plenty of 'how'd they get away with that' moments in games. Hell, I mentioned an rpg just the other day, think I saw the topic still active earlier, where you can play as a prostitute for example. And Vampire: Bloodlines is the wonderful, wonderful game I have to thank (This is extreme sarcasm!) for opening my eyes to the snuff genre of film, something which I wish I had never learned existed because it's so grotesque and disgusting and worse, real.

You've probably been told already at this point, but there's no evidence of snuff films being real. They're an urban legend.

There HAVE been verified YouTube snuff films, though. They were three minutes long, but a very despicable and sickening three minutes.

Have you seen them yourself? Because otherwise I very much doubt that's true. And, if so, what proof is there of their validity?

 

[lacktheknack]

I can think of plenty of 'how'd they get away with that' moments in games. Hell, I mentioned an rpg just the other day, think I saw the topic still active earlier, where you can play as a prostitute for example. And Vampire: Bloodlines is the wonderful, wonderful game I have to thank (This is extreme sarcasm!) for opening my eyes to the snuff genre of film, something which I wish I had never learned existed because it's so grotesque and disgusting and worse, real.

You've probably been told already at this point, but there's no evidence of snuff films being real. They're an urban legend.

There HAVE been verified YouTube snuff films, though. They were three minutes long, but a very despicable and sickening three minutes.

Have you seen them yourself? Because otherwise I very much doubt that's true. And, if so, what proof is there of their validity?

I didn't watch it myself, for obvious reasons.

However, there was a newspaper report about two Russian guys who sledgehammer'd a guy to death and put it on YouTube, and two arrests were made.

And if all else fails, wasn't the hanging of Saddam Hussein technically a "snuff scene"? I mean, someone strangled and broke their neck on camera, and that one was undeniably on YouTube for several days.

 

[seditary]

I wasn't offended at all, but I'm surprised nobody got angry about the Evokers in Persona 3.

Basically: To cast spells, your characters (mostly teenagers) have to shoot themselves in the head. They're not really using guns, but they look exactly like guns and it's obvious they were going for that kind of symbolism.

Can't think of anything that made me feel like a game had crossed the line, though.

There actually was a bit of a controversy about it but it died down quite fast so not many people noticed.

 

[TRR]

That always did piss me off. Bayonetta, God of War, Dante's Inferno, Darksiders, THOSE were ignored by the Christian right. Mass Effect wasn't.
WHAT THE FUCK?!

Actually Dante's Inferno got a bit of heat, there should be some videos on youtube for it but I'm too lazy to find them right now.

For me though there has been nothing that I have found that was really objectionable.

 

[Drakmeire]

Bayonetta
murdering angels by summoning demons and killing God at the end of the game. How wasn't this game targeted by christian groups? did they just have to admit that it was awesome?
and now I give you... Bayonetta punching God into the sun.
enjoy
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What I never got about that part of the game.

Why didn't she just summon that 'Queen Sheeba character' right at the start of the fight with Jubaleus?

I mean seriously. She's like 30 times her size. The fight woulda been done in seconds.

Also it kinda negates the impact of how powerful that jubaleus was meant to be. Seeing as she could summon something infinitely more powerful than it.

Actually she is only able to summon demons when the enemy is incapacitated because the chat takes so long, and Jeanne supplied the white hair for the summon, so if she wasn't helped Sheeba would have been much weaker.
easy answer: Rule of Cool
DO NOT QUESTION IT!!!

 

[MasterChief892039]

sexism

Metroid: Other M
The whole damn game.

And I mean, for the most part I have a pretty thick skin when it comes to sexism in games because women are so often just thrown in for sexual titillation and not because they contribute in any way to the story - but I'd way rather women in games be made out as sex objects than turned into self-loathing, sniveling, spineless slaves to male superiors, like Samus was in Other M (bonus points for alliteration?).

 

[-Drifter-]

I didn't watch it myself, for obvious reasons.

However, there was a newspaper report about two Russian guys who sledgehammer'd a guy to death and put it on YouTube, and two arrests were made.

And if all else fails, wasn't the hanging of Saddam Hussein technically a "snuff scene"? I mean, someone strangled and broke their neck on camera, and that one was undeniably on YouTube for several days.

Huh. Well, maybe it's not as much a myth as I believed, but still, I doubt there's any kind of 8mm style underground market for them.

 

[Bon_Clay]

I didn't watch it myself, for obvious reasons.

However, there was a newspaper report about two Russian guys who sledgehammer'd a guy to death and put it on YouTube, and two arrests were made.

And if all else fails, wasn't the hanging of Saddam Hussein technically a "snuff scene"? I mean, someone strangled and broke their neck on camera, and that one was undeniably on YouTube for several days.

Huh. Well, maybe it's not as much a myth as I believed, but still, I doubt there's any kind of 8mm style underground market for them.

I've seen both of those videos for the record, and could probably still find a link for you if you wanted. Though for the hammer one I highly recommend not watching it if you think it will disturb you.

I don't know if there has ever been an underground snuff film market as you say, but in this day its not all that hard to find legitimate videos of people being killed on the internet. There was also that beheading video of an American by some extremists a while back that had captured him. Another video that was very real and very disturbing.

OP: If the ESRB rates it properly I don't think there should be any outrage or complaints over video games. If kids can't buy games for adults and parents are given a guideline and suggestion for who should play it based on its content, then there should be no censorship or subjects off limits. Adults can choose for themselves what they can handle, and if someone doesn't like it, don't buy it and continue living your life.