WTF Humble Bundle?! "Indie" my ass.

[targren]

I just paid for the "Humble Indie Bundle 4" so care to tell me why the HELL I'm staring at a big, bloated pustule of an EA logo? I support indie gamers so that they DON'T feel the need to sell out to the scumbag sequel shitters. And to be the worst of the bunch, the one that I have actively and effectively boycotted for over two years?

I'm not happy about this, and the only reason I don't go change my "developer" slider down to zero is that the actual indie devs don't deserve to be screwed over because EA and HB pulled a fast one.

 

[piplink]

yeah, i started up shank and then i saw EA on the publisher logo thing, and was like WTF. but it was a good deal and i will look this over because it's a good game. EA can go die in a fire.

 

[RickyRich]

Hell, I thought this was going to be interesting. I get that EA isn't indie, but what do you have against it as a company? They make sequels because the previous title sold successfully, that's what companies do. Plus, when indie companies get big, it can happen, you'll probably just go and start talking bad about them too.

 

[targren]

Hell, I thought this was going to be interesting. I get that EA isn't indie, but what do you have against it as a company? They make sequels because the previous title sold successfully, that's what companies do. Plus, when indie companies get big, it can happen, you'll probably just go and start talking bad about them too.

What do I have against EA? Either you're new to gaming, or a BF3 fan... They're the Microsoft of the gaming world (though Sony is trying to catch up in the race to the bottom).

 

[Hazy992]

Hell, I thought this was going to be interesting. I get that EA isn't indie, but what do you have against it as a company? They make sequels because the previous title sold successfully, that's what companies do. Plus, when indie companies get big, it can happen, you'll probably just go and start talking bad about them too.

What do I hate about EA? Well;

Bringing out 'sequels' year on year that are only incremental updates, then having the cheek to charge £40 for it.
Popularising the online pass system.
Having adverts like 'Your Mom Will Hate Dead Space 2', which just paints a negative picture of the medium, like game developers are trying to piss people off.
The way the treat their employees and smaller developers.
Trying to beat the competition by making the same game as the competition but worse (*cough* Medal of Honor *cough*).

Phew! Rant over!

 

[RickyRich]

Hell, I thought this was going to be interesting. I get that EA isn't indie, but what do you have against it as a company? They make sequels because the previous title sold successfully, that's what companies do. Plus, when indie companies get big, it can happen, you'll probably just go and start talking bad about them too.

Obvious troll, failed attempt.

Nope, not a troll. I just understand how a successful business works.

 

[RickyRich]

Hell, I thought this was going to be interesting. I get that EA isn't indie, but what do you have against it as a company? They make sequels because the previous title sold successfully, that's what companies do. Plus, when indie companies get big, it can happen, you'll probably just go and start talking bad about them too.

What do I hate about EA? Well;

Bringing out 'sequels' year on year that are only incremental updates, then having the cheek to charge £40 for it.
Popularising the online pass system.
Having adverts like 'Your Mom Will Hate Dead Space 2', which just paints a negative picture of the medium, like game developers are trying to piss people off.
The way the treat their employees and smaller developers.
Trying to beat the competition by making the same game as the competition but worse (*cough* Medal of Honor *cough*).

Phew! Rant over!

I'm no fan of the online pass system myself, it makes buying a used game a pain in the ass. But, I do thoroughly enjoy most of the games they have produced. Their advertising is meant to seperate them from other companies, it may paint a negative image to some people, but to others it's an add for a game they may like. I've personally never found anything wrong with them, then again I'm not a developer.

 

[targren]

I don't agree with all of EA's practices (online passes can go fuck themselves), but it's a business and a damned successful one at that.

That's good for them. Since I object to their practices, I see no need to support them. There are plenty of games to play from other studios.

Why don't you just boycott Microsoft, Sony, Activision, THQ, 2K Games, Epic, and many others?

Sony IS also on my list. As for Activision, they're almost as bad, but it doesn't matter to me because it's been a few years since they put out a game that I thought was worth playing. Not sure what 2K does anymore besides GTA (never been my bag), and haven't seen a THQ game since Titan Quest. Are they still around?

 

[veloper]

I agree that is not a true indie bundle.
Shank is a nice game, but there's big publisher money behind it, so it doesn't qualify as indie.
Still if you haven't got the games yet, you're getting a great deal.

 

[Fappy]

Hell, I thought this was going to be interesting. I get that EA isn't indie, but what do you have against it as a company? They make sequels because the previous title sold successfully, that's what companies do. Plus, when indie companies get big, it can happen, you'll probably just go and start talking bad about them too.

Obvious troll, failed attempt.

Nope, not a troll. I just understand how a successful business works.

For that matter, let's boycott business altogether. Yeah! Let's only buy houses, clothes, and cars made by indie hands that don't have anything to do with those evil corporations!

It is just a video game. I don't see the big deal.

You forgot to take off you hipster glasses before you said that last part

 

[number2301]

Hell, I thought this was going to be interesting. I get that EA isn't indie, but what do you have against it as a company? They make sequels because the previous title sold successfully, that's what companies do. Plus, when indie companies get big, it can happen, you'll probably just go and start talking bad about them too.

What do I have against EA? Either you're new to gaming, or a BF3 fan... They're the Microsoft of the gaming world (though Sony is trying to catch up in the race to the bottom).

I agree with Richard here, I've been gaming since 1990 and I don't care for any modern military shooters, much less Battlefield 3. You know what else? Microsoft hate is so 90s. Modern Microsoft make some good enterprise software, a great OS and even a half decent mobile OS. I don't really see what's to hate since they lost their power in a whole bunch of areas (see the rise of Apple, Firefox and Chrome).

But then we get this -

Bringing out 'sequels' year on year that are only incremental updates, then having the cheek to charge £40 for it.
Popularising the online pass system.
Having adverts like 'Your Mom Will Hate Dead Space 2', which just paints a negative picture of the medium, like game developers are trying to piss people off.
The way the treat their employees and smaller developers.
Trying to beat the competition by making the same game as the competition but worse (*cough* Medal of Honor *cough*).

Point 1 - That's business, if people are paying it why wouldn't they? They aren't providing an essential service to you, they're selling luxury goods.

Point 2 - I don't much mind the online pass system, it would appear that second hand games are really reducing profit margins for the developers of games, at the benefit of shops which contribute virtually nothing.

Point 3 - An advertising campaign which misses the mark? Oh no!

Point 4 - It seems the entire industry does this, Bondi, Rockstar etc.

Point 5 - Again, this is how business works. They tried to compete with someone else. What do you expect?

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

''Shank is a 2D side-scrolling beat 'em up developed by Klei Entertainment and published by Electronic Arts.''

Indie developer, with EA as publisher, no problem there right?

Here is their website http://kleientertainment.com/ They are definitely indie I'd say.

 

[Fappy]

''Shank is a 2D side-scrolling beat 'em up developed by Klei Entertainment and published by Electronic Arts.''

Indie developer EA as publisher, no problem there right?

EA's name attached = auto-bad.

It's like if you hate Quinton Tarantino you shouldn't watch the film "Hero" because his name is on the poster.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

''Shank is a 2D side-scrolling beat 'em up developed by Klei Entertainment and published by Electronic Arts.''

Indie developer EA as publisher, no problem there right?

EA's name attached = auto-bad.

It's like if you hate Quinton Tarantino you shouldn't watch the film "Hero" because his name is on the poster.

But they had nothing to do with the content of the game apart from it's distribution?

'Shank was announced at Penny Arcade Expo 2009. On March 4, 2010 Klei Entertainment signed with Electronic Arts and were able to finalize which platforms the game would be released on.'

So they worked on it for a year before EA was even involved.

 

[Fappy]

''Shank is a 2D side-scrolling beat 'em up developed by Klei Entertainment and published by Electronic Arts.''

Indie developer EA as publisher, no problem there right?

EA's name attached = auto-bad.

It's like if you hate Quinton Tarantino you shouldn't watch the film "Hero" because his name is on the poster.

But they had nothing to do with the content of the game apart from it's distribution?

That was kind of my point. I was being sarcastic

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

''Shank is a 2D side-scrolling beat 'em up developed by Klei Entertainment and published by Electronic Arts.''

Indie developer EA as publisher, no problem there right?

EA's name attached = auto-bad.

It's like if you hate Quinton Tarantino you shouldn't watch the film "Hero" because his name is on the poster.

But they had nothing to do with the content of the game apart from it's distribution?

That was kind of my point. I was being sarcastic

Oh lol sorry I thought you were saying they were like the director of the game (I know Hero wasn't directed by him lol but yeah...derped)

 

[veloper]

''Shank is a 2D side-scrolling beat 'em up developed by Klei Entertainment and published by Electronic Arts.''

Indie developer, with EA as publisher, no problem there right?

Here is their website http://kleientertainment.com/ They are definitely indie I'd say.

Indies don't have publishers by definition. They self-publish. Indies don't go to a publisher to borrow money for their project.

 

[Zantos]

I love this sort of argument. On one side, you've got people saying that the best way to get innovation into the industry is to increase the distribution scale of indie games using the money of larger publishers, allowing more people access to the new ideas from smaller developers. On the other side, you've got people saying big companies shouldn't get involved with indie games because they're bad.

It's about on the same level of logical response as "Cos I said so."

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

''Shank is a 2D side-scrolling beat 'em up developed by Klei Entertainment and published by Electronic Arts.''

Indie developer, with EA as publisher, no problem there right?

Here is their website http://kleientertainment.com/ They are definitely indie I'd say.

Indies don't have publishers by definition. They self-publish. Indies don't go to a publisher to borrow money for their project.

Maybe there needs to be a new definition of indie then.. Because they are hardly Bioware.