WTF Pokemon. I mean, really?

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Mittens The Kitten

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i liked the pokemon games a lot and, after a long break, have decided to pick it back up, but some of the logic of the game is just batshit nuts, and not just in the physics-defying game sort of way.
For example, why does water do extra damage to rock!? Water's ability to deal extra damage to rock baffles me, becuase rock, as a substance is quite waterproof, to the degree that "like water on rock" is a saying meaning a totally ineffective strategy.
Also, bug attacks deal extra damage to dark. I'm sure there is some rationalization for why creatures of shadow are particularly vulnerable to insects, but it doesnt hold the kind of common sense game logic that "fire beats grass" has.
Also, the HMs have a host of problems of thier own, like why is Surf called surf?, its just swimming there are no waves used for transportation, so it could easily be called "swim". How can a hoothoot carry a teenager for miles. And how does the main character breathe while diving underwater.

Can you guys think of any similar craziness in this game or others?

P.S. The mock outrage was for comedic effect, i dont really have that big of a problem with PK.
 

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Mittens The Kitten said:
i liked the pokemon games a lot and, after a long break, have decided to pick it back up, but some of the logic of the game is just batshit nuts, and not just in the physics-defying game sort of way.
For example, why does water do extra damage to rock!? Water's ability to deal extra damage to rock baffles me, becuase rock, as a substance is quite waterproof, to the degree that "like water on rock" is a saying meaning a totally ineffective strategy.
Also, bug attacks deal extra damage to dark. I'm sure there is some rationalization for why creatures of shadow are particularly vulnerable to insects, but it doesnt hold the kind of common sense game logic that "fire beats grass" has.
Also, the HMs have a host of problems of thier own, like why is Surf called surf?, its just swimming there are no waves used for transportation, so it could easily be called "swim". How can a hoothoot carry a teenager for miles. And how does the main character breathe while diving underwater.

Can you guys think of any similar craziness in this game or others?

P.S. The mock outrage was for comedic effect, i dont really have that big of a problem with PK.
Water vs. Rock- EROSION!!! Sorry.
 

Blind Sight

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Water doesn't do extra damage to rock? Ever heard of erosion my friend? It's just very slow extra damage haha.

EDIT: Goddammit ninja'd.
 

Enlong

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Water will erode rock and earth. You've heard of a little something called the Grand Canyon, yes?

Dark is more like fighting dirty and using deceptive tactics than literal "made of shadows" stuff. The idea is probably that hive-minded Bug types just have minds that are too alien for Dark types to trick.

As for Surf, well, in battle, it creates a wave.
 

nuba km

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it's pokemon it's a game most type advantages make sense but there are one or two put in for balancing the different types.
 

Rednog

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The real question is why can't pokemon who should be able to naturally fly or swim unable to do so without an HM?
 

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Mittens The Kitten said:
I did not know that erosion formed the grand canyon over the course of several seconds.
Right, because stuff like Hydro Pump isn't extremely high-pressure water.

RedEyesBlackGamer said:
Bug being super effective against Psychic. Just why?
Either their minds are too alien to control psychically, or psychics are weak to fear.
 
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Others pointed out the water + rock = erosion, so I won't.

As for bug effective against psychic/dark, most likely for balance.
 

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Rednog said:
The real question is why can't pokemon who should be able to naturally fly or swim unable to do so without an HM?
And how the hell does Pidgey manage to fly me around anyway?
 

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zehydra said:
RedEyesBlackGamer said:
Bug being super effective against Psychic. Just why?
Because they had to make Parasect good for something, lol.
well psycic types use moves like Confusion to mess with other pokémon's minds and since bugs tend to be one of the more stupid kinds of life, psycic won't do much damage.
 

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RedEyesBlackGamer said:
Bug being super effective against Psychic. Just why?
I picture first, that psychic abilities wouldn't be useful against something with a totally foreign mind, and second that bugs buzzing around you while you're in a psychic trance would be distracting.
 

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RedEyesBlackGamer said:
Bug being super effective against Psychic. Just why?
Classic phobias: bugs, ghosts, and the dark.


Unfortunately, erosion of rock somewhat breaks down when flying is resisted by it (doesn't make sense for 'wind'-based flying moves, though it does for wing-based moves).
 

BlueberryMUNCH

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SO MANY QUESTIONS.

But then, when you start to think about it...the population of the Pokemon world is tiny
There are no real places for meeting people.
And I'm sorry, but Team Rocket can get a Pokemon and wipe out all human life on the planet, if they wanted to.

And why are Gyms called Gyms? What makes you good enough to run one?

The cites are hardly cities, they're more just villages.

How are Pokemon not the dominant species on the planet? Shouldn't they be the ones catching humans?

SO MANY PROBLEMS:(
 

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Mittens The Kitten said:
For example, why does water do extra damage to rock!? Water's ability to deal extra damage to rock baffles me, becuase rock, as a substance is quite waterproof, to the degree that "like water on rock" is a saying meaning a totally ineffective strategy.
And yet, erosion.

I would like to know why Psychic cant hit Dark. And why Poison is super effective on grass. Also why Ground attacks cant hit flying types, when they cant actually fly. or moves like mud slap. you're slapping the mud, so you can slap it up in the air. And iwth pokemon like Duduo who are flying but cant fly and avoid ground attacks.

I'd also like to know in a society of technological advancement where you have trains, subs, and cruise ships, no one has ever heard of a gun or a car. but thats not so much an issue as just how did they miss that when they had the technology.