WTH at all the X1 hate?

[theuprising]

Did literally NO ONE see the benefits of an always online console? And good god not one media story about it either, instead the media literally jumped on the hate train to get views. Oh yeah and when the X1 backs off its Always Online, its "spineless backpedaling", but when the PS4 drops the Playstation Eye basically abandoning any advanced motion control gaming experience in the next generation to die, so it could beat the XB1's pricing, its "listening to the consumer". Ok guys.

And everyone also glosses over all the PS4's faults like its nothing too (PS4 charging just as much for far inferior and far less secure online functionality, much fewer multimedia features, far less robust cloud infrastructure, etc...) well I think its cuz all the XB360 fans jumped ship, and they weren't the smartest bunch, and thus you are in the situation we are in today. As a PC Gamer I was looking forward to the old X1 for a TV gaming solution. If you guys "only care about the games" and want the best dedicated gaming system, you would not be buying a PS4. You would be buying a gaming PC. You are getting a console b/c you want it to compliment the stuff in your living room and/or you can't be damned to make a gaming PC.

 

[Soopy]

This has all been said about one million times now. The Xbone is disliked because of what it stood for as much as for what it was.
Nobody disputed Sony's shortfalls, they were simply golden by comparison.


How long have you worked at Microsoft?

 

[theuprising]

This has all been said about one million times now. The Xbone is disliked because of what it stood for as much as for what it was.
Nobody disputed Sony's shortfalls, they were simply golden by comparison.


How long have you worked at Microsoft?

Again I am the troll because if I have a viewpoint which is pro-X1, I work for microsoft. I have heard your lines before...

The X1 stood for the PC-itization of Consoles, now its back to last generation...

And again, consoles are multi-media systems. For the best gaming experience, get a gaming PC...

 

[Soopy]

You haven't actually stated any facts. How are you "Pro" XB1?

PC-ization is exactly a point against consoles, it makes them irrelevant.

 

[theuprising]

You haven't actually stated any facts. How are you "Pro" XB1?

PC-ization is exactly a point against consoles, it makes them irrelevant.

In my eyes they were basically irrelevant, and for masses who couldn't work a gaming PC in the PS2 generation. The last generation showed that consoles can be multi-media devices that can do everything and the X1 pushed it more in that direction while also making sure it was a completely digital console similar to a PC. But yay status quo! GJ guys.

 

[Zhukov]

Can you please tell me how to get a job promoting the Xbone on forums?

Because I think I could do a better job of it.

 

[theuprising]

Can you please tell me how to get a job promoting the Xbone on forums?

Because I think I could do a better job of it.

Have you ever wondered why literally no one is pro X1 on the internet other than "trolls"? There literally has to be someone right? Hmm but I hope these "trolls" go away.

 

[Soopy]

They provided a simple to use gaming system, they were less powerful but the trade of was ease of opperation. The XB1 took that and squandered it. Unrelated applications like youtube on the XB360 are irrelevant to the needs and wants of people interested in a gaming console.

Instead of improving upon what the console was already good at, they tried to turn it into a method of cattle control with very little in the way of gaming expansion. It is/was going to be more of the same with less freedoms. Seems like a step backwards to me.

Being totally digital is a non event, what does it achieve?

P.s; Google what "Literally" means.

 

[SeventhSigil]

Let me get this clear. The Xbox One supporters moved on from 'Pffft, stop complaining about DRM, this is the future of gaming' to themselves complaining that it's all been removed. Well, that's just peachy then. As Soopy said, consoles are intended to be just that, video game consoles; I, as a consumer, have no interest in a multimedia system, as I already have multiple media devices that function just fine. To say nothing for a computer. PC-izing the Xbox One basically just makes it a computer that Microsoft can claim a monopoly when it comes to software and applications. I just want a game console; Playstation 4, with its PlayGo support, more familiar controller, and an apparent history of beating Microsoft to the punch when it comes to 'innovations' in the digital marketplace, suits me just dandy.

Also, Sony actually had the sense to back down from the start. Microsoft spent over a week insisting they were right, then caved in less than twelve hours after their 'This Is The Future' spiel. If it weren't for the arrogant presentation, I'm sure they would be more easily forgiven for trying to pull that sort of thing.

 

[theuprising]

ALSO what pisses me off is why are you guys glad all these features are gone from the X1? Ppl who were buying the X1 wanted them, you guys didn't, you still aren't buying the X1, and you never will be. So why was it changed, argh, just for whiners who are going to buy the PS4 anyway!

 

[SeventhSigil]

....you can really blame Microsoft for changing it, you know. =P They're the ones who decided your money wasn't good enough for them.

 

[SeventhSigil]

Yes, but see, they decided that they would rather change it just for the tiiiiny chance of getting our money, than keep it knowing for certain they would get yours. They abandoned you that quickly, just on the off chance they would make more profit off of it, with no guarantee that it would even work at all, because they figured you would line up to buy their console no matter what they did. You were there, waving your money at them, promising devotion... and instead they ran off to chase us.

Man, can see why you're so upset. =P

 

[Soopy]

....you can really blame Microsoft for changing it, you know. =P They're the ones who decided your money wasn't good enough for them.

who's money are they getting? Not yours. I haven't met a single person who was swayed by their dumb move, everyone's happy that the DRM is gone, patting themselves on the back, and saying "never forgive, never forget, still getting a PS4", so why bother catering to the tards?

Well, um, because they had to?

Do you think they just did it because some people didn't like it? Nah, I dare say they have a pretty accurate way of gauging the market which pointed out the rather obvious fact that nobody wanted their console with those features. Sure there may have been a REALLY small silent majority, but that does not support a multi-billion dollar investment. Nor is it something a large business will do just to be cool...

 

[lapan]

Did literally NO ONE see the benefits of an always online console? And good god not one media story about it either, instead the media literally jumped on the hate train to get views. Oh yeah and when the X1 backs off its Always Online, its "spineless backpedaling", but when the PS4 drops the Playstation Eye basically abandoning any advanced motion control gaming experience in the next generation to die, so it could beat the XB1's pricing, its "listening to the consumer". Ok guys.

Being online can be a good feature, but it should never be a system requirement for a console with a large part of offline features. Microsofts PR department doing just about everything wrong didn't help either.

 

[theuprising]

....you can really blame Microsoft for changing it, you know. =P They're the ones who decided your money wasn't good enough for them.

who's money are they getting? Not yours. I haven't met a single person who was swayed by their dumb move, everyone's happy that the DRM is gone, patting themselves on the back, and saying "never forgive, never forget, still getting a PS4", so why bother catering to the tards?

Well, um, because they had to?

Do you think they just did it because some people didn't like it? Nah, I dare say they have a pretty accurate way of gauging the market which pointed out the rather obvious fact that nobody wanted their console with those features. Sure there may have been a REALLY small silent majority, but that does not support a multi-billion dollar investment. Nor is it something a large business will do just to be cool...

You really think ppl who are all about "games first" are going to buy the X1? HELL NO, they are buying the PS4. Simply cuz its cheaper and b/c the PS4 didn't try and "screw them over". By using internet. Which they have. Keep in mind the PS4 requires you to have an HDTV, probably something more rare than internet, but that's an aside.

They were doing fine in preorders on amazon, I heard it was because Gamestop stopped offering the X1 or was bad mouthing it in their stores. For obvious reasons, it would have marked the death of the villainous retailer.

 

[Soopy]

....you can really blame Microsoft for changing it, you know. =P They're the ones who decided your money wasn't good enough for them.

who's money are they getting? Not yours. I haven't met a single person who was swayed by their dumb move, everyone's happy that the DRM is gone, patting themselves on the back, and saying "never forgive, never forget, still getting a PS4", so why bother catering to the tards?

Well, um, because they had to?

Do you think they just did it because some people didn't like it? Nah, I dare say they have a pretty accurate way of gauging the market which pointed out the rather obvious fact that nobody wanted their console with those features. Sure there may have been a REALLY small silent majority, but that does not support a multi-billion dollar investment. Nor is it something a large business will do just to be cool...

You really think ppl who are all about "games first" are going to buy the X1? HELL NO, they are buying the PS4. Simply cuz its cheaper and b/c the PS4 didn't try and "screw them over". By using internet. Which they have. Keep in mind the PS4 requires you to have an HDTV, probably something more rare than internet, but that's an aside.

They were doing fine in preorders on amazon, I heard it was because Gamestop stopped offering the X1 or was bad mouthing it in their stores. For obvious reasons, it would have marked the death of the villainous retailer.

Yet, once they retracted the DRM systems their pre-sales took off? Funny that huh.

XB1 needs a HDTV as well.

Why would any non-gamer buy an XB1, given the Xboxes history as a GAMING CONSOLE?
Also, considering the fact that everything the XB1 touts as "innovations" is just an emulation of systems and products that have been available for nearly a decade anyway...

 

[ShinyCharizard]

U mad bro?

PS4 is objectively better. More powerful, cheaper, better deal with PS Plus, no crappy kinect (it's shit and doesn't work properly Microsoft, give up on it already), more open to smaller developers, available in more countries, better exclusives (seriously Microsoft have fuck all exclusive first party games compared to Sony these days), comes with a headset, doesn't focus on TV deals that have no relevance outside of the US (and really who the fuck buys a gaming console to watch TV on?)

It's the Kinect that kills it for me, if they dropped that piece of shit I'd pick one up within a year of launch.

 

[SeventhSigil]

....you can really blame Microsoft for changing it, you know. =P They're the ones who decided your money wasn't good enough for them.

who's money are they getting? Not yours. I haven't met a single person who was swayed by their dumb move, everyone's happy that the DRM is gone, patting themselves on the back, and saying "never forgive, never forget, still getting a PS4", so why bother catering to the tards?

Well, um, because they had to?

Do you think they just did it because some people didn't like it? Nah, I dare say they have a pretty accurate way of gauging the market which pointed out the rather obvious fact that nobody wanted their console with those features. Sure there may have been a REALLY small silent majority, but that does not support a multi-billion dollar investment. Nor is it something a large business will do just to be cool...

You really think ppl who are all about "games first" are going to buy the X1? HELL NO, they are buying the PS4. Simply cuz its cheaper and b/c the PS4 didn't try and "screw them over". By using internet. Which they have. Keep in mind the PS4 requires you to have an HDTV, probably something more rare than internet, but that's an aside.

They were doing fine in preorders on amazon, I heard it was because Gamestop stopped offering the X1 or was bad mouthing it in their stores. For obvious reasons, it would have marked the death of the villainous retailer.

Xbox One needs an HDTV as well, so I wouldn't call it a ringing advantage for Microsoft there.

Fine in the U.S., but still losing to the PS4, and you have to keep in mind, the U.S. is Microsoft's strongest market for the Xbox. Everyone expects Xbox to win in the U.S., and win big, and if it doesn't, it's kind of screwed in the rest of the world. In the U.K., the overall bestseller list for 2013 on Amazon, the PS4 was sixty-six spots ahead of the Xbox One.

 

[Windcaler]

Hmmm brand new account with the questionably antagonistic name "the uprising" and proceeds to demean us for our purchasing decisions. Likely conclusion: Troll or Microsoft intern/employee. Unlikely conclusion: Someone who genuinely doesn't really get it

Im a PC gamer as well but frankly if people want to play games on consoles they are entitled to do that. It is their money. I prefer PC gaming because it allows me to customize my hardware to meet my personal needs and allows for a much wider variety of games but this in no way invalidates the stengths of consoles such as the pick up and play functionality or price points. There are and will always be legitimate reasons why console players prefer their consoles. We have no right to say console players are wrong for preferring to play on consoles

So if you look around you can most certainly see that people are talking about the good ideas behind the xbone. The main one being that family share plan which actually turned out to be pretty awful. It was not nor was it ever and open complete game sharing capability on par with giving a friend a disk. It was essentially letting someone on your list get a 45 minute demo of the game and Im sorry but that's just nonsense when you compare it to the ability to give a friend your disk and let them play the whole thing.

The voice recognition software is also arguably a good thing, however there are serious privacy concerns with the Kinect overall. Coupled with the recent NSA scandal americans in particular are feeling quite vulnerable with such a device. Whether that's right or wrong I don't know, but I do know its not going to change anytime soon. When you have government officials arguably abusing their power to spy on the populace people are far LESS likely to trust a company that the government pays little attention to when it comes to their actual products and their functionality.

Now with the TV shows, I have to see these shows before I can comment on the good or bad elements of them. The idea of a halo show is completely uninspiring but hey I could be wrong, it could be the next Babylon 5. Only time will tell.

If there are other good things about the old xbone I do not recall what they are. At the end of the day I really think Microsoft could have saved themselves a lot of headache if they just did a tech demo and showed us how the thing worked. A lot of the privacy and ownership concerns would still be there but it would have made the good stuff look even better. They didn't do that though.

As to this always online idea, you need to understand that there have been two extremely good reasons why always online is a bad idea to begin with. These are called Diablo 3 and Sim city (both PC games). Consumers just do not trust the servers to be able to handle the mass of people 24 hours a day 7 days a week. The only reason MMOs get a pass is because theres no way you can do that and because they schedule regular maintenance. For a console its an even worse idea because your talking about much larger numbers trying to simultaneously use those servers. It would have been even worse then Diablo 3 and Sim city turned out to be and theres no evidence to suggest that Microsoft could have handled it any better then Blizzard and EA/Maxis. Going beyond the server issue there were also real and legitimate concerns about the xbone becoming a worthless brick when those servers shut down and no evidence to dissuade the concerns. Then theres my personal pet peeve, region locking that prevented anyone outside the listed countries from legally purchasing and buying games. I still can not for the life of me understand why region locking is a thing, I see no benefit to it from a consumer or business side

Now as for the PS4 in all honesty they didn't have to do anything new when we had the xbone staring us in the face. That thing was every bad business decision rolled into one. However Sony doesn't get a free pass either, I have various issues with their concerns about their console but I have to see more before I can say they will be a legitimate problem. Right now they are concerns and I would like to see a tech demo from sony to quell or confirm those concerns

 

[SeventhSigil]

Wait, wait, wait... are you saying XBOX ONE is more open to indy developers? Or PS4?