I was just proving a point. Why aren't ppl crying that it requires an HDTV? I could be too poor to afford one and can only afford an X1. Why aren't people crying it requires electricity, now the troops can't play in some parts of Afghanistan, QQ QQ.SeventhSigil said:
WTH at all the X1 hate?
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Lots and lots of people, actually.
Considering they're a gaming console and all.
Your use of Hyperbole is incredible. Never have I seen such a ridiculous statement, and have been on the internet a LONG time...theuprising said:
In Australia, its not actually possible to buy a brand new SD TV anymore. At least I've not seen one in a major retailer for a long, long time. We don't even have analogue broadcast anymore.
Because Internet connectivity has nothing to do with money sometimes; the infrastructure simply isn't set up in some regions. And HDTVs can be donated to the troops, but even if they had an Internet connection there, the old Xbox One policies meant it was region locked, so it wouldn't work in Afghanistan even if you had a stable connection. Just wouldn't work at all outside the 21 countries.theuprising said:
Because I feel like im the only person who holds this view point and its just bizarre.SpunkeyMonkey said:
They justified the cost better than Microsoft ever have, the only real benefit to online that Xbox 360 had over PS3 was party chat which won't be the case for this coming gen. As for why people don't just get a gaming PC well that is pretty fucking obvious, it's more expensive.theuprising said:
If you like willingly being on a short leash, talked down to like an idiot who doesn't know better and forced to jump through hoops for permission for a treat you legally bought, more power to you. Just don't get mad at those of us who value our dignity and freedom in our hobby and want nothing more than to make Microsoft an example so others don't try the same nonsense.
There were way more benefits to everyone BUT the consumer with the Xbone. Also no one magically forgot when Sony tried to justify the original PS3's high price because it was supposed to double as a media hub/living room entertainment device with its blu-ray player and customers were supposed to just 'deal with it' and they have only just recently recovered financially from their arrogance in that regard. Or the all digital PSPGo that promised similar things to the Xbone that consumers and retailers hated alike and they've had to scrap it not too long after its launch so it's almost like it never existed. Sony has made and paid for its past mistakes. At least they've been trying to learn their lesson, at least for their pocketbooks' sakes, unlike Microsoft that can afford to take the hit to their smallest department.
Even if Microsoft was trying to bring us all 'into the future' with no bad ulterior motives and actually good PR for what we would get out of their luxury (read: not a basic necessity for living) item, they need to bring that discussion to the table when the world, let alone the US, has better a internet infrastructure. It's like they were trying to say 'buy our console now and maybe in 10-15 years (when we'll probably be in gen 9 with new consoles anyway) the internet will (probably) be good/great for all and then the Xbone will retroactively make sense to own. That kinda selling only really works with serious long-term investments like real estate wherein you CAN tell a customer, 'if you buy into this area now, in 10-20 years you'll get a huge return on your investment when they add malls, schools, hotels and transit'.
There were way more benefits to everyone BUT the consumer with the Xbone. Also no one magically forgot when Sony tried to justify the original PS3's high price because it was supposed to double as a media hub/living room entertainment device with its blu-ray player and customers were supposed to just 'deal with it' and they have only just recently recovered financially from their arrogance in that regard. Or the all digital PSPGo that promised similar things to the Xbone that consumers and retailers hated alike and they've had to scrap it not too long after its launch so it's almost like it never existed. Sony has made and paid for its past mistakes. At least they've been trying to learn their lesson, at least for their pocketbooks' sakes, unlike Microsoft that can afford to take the hit to their smallest department.
Even if Microsoft was trying to bring us all 'into the future' with no bad ulterior motives and actually good PR for what we would get out of their luxury (read: not a basic necessity for living) item, they need to bring that discussion to the table when the world, let alone the US, has better a internet infrastructure. It's like they were trying to say 'buy our console now and maybe in 10-15 years (when we'll probably be in gen 9 with new consoles anyway) the internet will (probably) be good/great for all and then the Xbone will retroactively make sense to own. That kinda selling only really works with serious long-term investments like real estate wherein you CAN tell a customer, 'if you buy into this area now, in 10-20 years you'll get a huge return on your investment when they add malls, schools, hotels and transit'.
If it just comes down to wanting to find an atmosphere where it doesn't feel like everyone disagrees with you; http://forums.xbox.com/xbox_forums/general_discussion/f/3817.aspxtheuprising said:
Granted, still some arguments in the forum, but the pro-Old-X1 and anti-Old-X1 are pretty evenly balanced, so it won't feel so overwhelming.
I wont rehash the litany of reasons people hated the Xbone but you ask the question, 'Did literally NO ONE see the benefits of an always online console?'
And this is exactly the point: Microsoft didn't show us any benefits! They showed us TV, Sports, COD Dog, and tried to shove a multitude of anti-consumer practices down our throats. When anyone anyone had the temerity to ask about the restrictions they were either fobbed off or patronized. When they finally got round to mentioning the plus points, like the Cloud and Family Sharing, they seemed like they had no idea what they were talking about. Different people gave different impressions and tried to weasel out and redirect straight questions. In short they came across like dodgy used-car salesmen.
'So...why do we need DRM?'
'Hey, why don't you wanna come with us to the FUTURE?'
'Could you nail down exactly how the Family Sharing is gonna work?
'Did you SEE Titanfall?'
As consumers it's not our job to search high and low for possible benefits, it's up to Microsoft to show them to us. They failed spectacularly.
And this is exactly the point: Microsoft didn't show us any benefits! They showed us TV, Sports, COD Dog, and tried to shove a multitude of anti-consumer practices down our throats. When anyone anyone had the temerity to ask about the restrictions they were either fobbed off or patronized. When they finally got round to mentioning the plus points, like the Cloud and Family Sharing, they seemed like they had no idea what they were talking about. Different people gave different impressions and tried to weasel out and redirect straight questions. In short they came across like dodgy used-car salesmen.
'So...why do we need DRM?'
'Hey, why don't you wanna come with us to the FUTURE?'
'Could you nail down exactly how the Family Sharing is gonna work?
'Did you SEE Titanfall?'
As consumers it's not our job to search high and low for possible benefits, it's up to Microsoft to show them to us. They failed spectacularly.
ask them that. we on the other side of the fence are as puzzled as you.theuprising said:
I for one never said "change it and I'll buy it", all I and most others ever said was "I'll never buy a console with those "features"".
They're the ones who waffled, and it's clearly worked somewhat, it swayed a lot of people because pre-orders have been recovering since the announcement, but we never really had any control over Microsoft's Policies, all we did was state our own policies regarding what systems we're interested in.
yeah, HDTVs are dirt cheap these days. You can get a brand new 30" HDTV for 200 bucks. I was on the fence about them for a long time, but seriously, you can get HD for cheap these days, that's not the issue. The issue was that they were wresting control from us. Telling us we needed to buy things we didn't want, throwing sweeping blanket DRM over their entire library of games, and basically setting up a dangerous monopoly. So we said no. Sometimes we said hell no. Maybe with a lot of yelling and cursing (not me specifically). But really that's it. We just said no.Soopy said:
They changed their own tune because they didn't like the negative press, but they still have a long way to go before they can regain our trust again.
Oh like the family sharing thing?theuprising said:
Too bad that turned out to be a load of shit:
http://pastebin.com/TE1MWES2
It was little more than a glorified demo service at most.
What were the other benefits? I doubt they would outweigh the main problem with an always online console, which is that it'd last only as long as Microsoft kept their servers up.
I'd like to point out that PS plus isn't just online...You get a handful of free games a month. Which is pretty awesome if you ask me.
Why would I ever trust a microsoft product again after I had 3 console and 4 wireless controller failures? Why are people so easy to forgive microsoft when they make their products out of cheap garbage? If microsoft was a person instead of a corporation I would pop his car tires. I want my money back from having to rebuy controllers after both my limited edition ones died shortly after 3 months.
Simply put, they are SCAMMERS and stole my money!
Simply put, they are SCAMMERS and stole my money!
Yes, because something entered into PasteBin totally counts as a trustworthy source. Anyone could enter things like that. I know trusting manufacturers isn't the best idea, but I still think that the official Microsoft releases are more trustworthy than that.Genocidicles said:
I'm in the same situation as the OP - It frustrates me that due to mass complaining, things were changed away from what I wanted, then the people who complained are too bitter to buy it anyway.
No because absolutely none of the supposed benefits Microsoft talked about required a 24 hour check-in to implement. That was just them being assholes and trying to fuck their customers in the ass.theuprising said:
Are you kidding? There are all kinds of Microsoft apologists out there if you look for more than five seconds on google.
Less secure maybe, though I'd question it they haven't upped their security substantially since the debacle a few years ago. But inferior? Not really seeing it when the subscription also includes discounts on digital titles and free games that aren't six years old already. Maybe the multiplayer features have some catching up to do, but you still get more value out of PS+ than Xbox Live for the amount you pay.
Do you really want an Xbone just to watch cable? Because that's about the only thing it does that I can't already do on my PS3.
In what way? Microsoft hasn't even really given people a reason to care about being connected to the cloud all the time that you don't already get with PS+ or Steam. And some of their more substantial claims, such as being able to quadruple the power of the Xbone using cloud technology, were outright lies.
I just want to say that, under normal circumstances, I'd have never bought a PS Vita.
But I did. Wanna know what changed my mind?
I don't care if a console, handheld or whatever can shit Mona Lisa's on command, if you don't make a game worthy enough for my attention and interest, I'm not giving you my money as a result.
By the way, after purchasing it, I did download about half a dozen games from the PSN store. Was rather cheap, considering I also had a PS+ membership. =)
But I did. Wanna know what changed my mind?
I don't care if a console, handheld or whatever can shit Mona Lisa's on command, if you don't make a game worthy enough for my attention and interest, I'm not giving you my money as a result.
By the way, after purchasing it, I did download about half a dozen games from the PSN store. Was rather cheap, considering I also had a PS+ membership. =)