I just wanted to say, after reading the first page of back and forth comments from OP and the community, this whole thread is really, really sad and OP doesn't seem to know what he's talking about. This thread should probably be locked
WTH at all the X1 hate?
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The problem with the X1?
Half of the features they had for it were for restricting what I could do. And as someone who has friends who can not afford internet, and regularly spends time with them playing games, the X1 is entirely useless for sitting on the couch and playing games with my friends.
PS4, while not doing anything new, doesn't restrict me like that. And unlike the Wii U, seems to have games I'm interested in coming out for it.
So, no I don't see benefits to being always online, it doesn't seem worth it. And I prefer game consoles over PC gaming because it's simple. I don't have to worry about DRM or fiddling with my system to make my games work. I put it in and play. Not to mention, I really don't have the Techyknowhow to upgrade/keep my PC up to date.
Half of the features they had for it were for restricting what I could do. And as someone who has friends who can not afford internet, and regularly spends time with them playing games, the X1 is entirely useless for sitting on the couch and playing games with my friends.
PS4, while not doing anything new, doesn't restrict me like that. And unlike the Wii U, seems to have games I'm interested in coming out for it.
So, no I don't see benefits to being always online, it doesn't seem worth it. And I prefer game consoles over PC gaming because it's simple. I don't have to worry about DRM or fiddling with my system to make my games work. I put it in and play. Not to mention, I really don't have the Techyknowhow to upgrade/keep my PC up to date.
There were no benefits to see lol. The benefits was just PR bs made up by MS. Also having a camera require in a console was stupid, and Sony figured that out before announcing it to the world (there were leaks and what not but it was never revealed in a press conference) where MS just lied and pretended them screwing us over was a good thing for us until the low preorder numbers and Sony not following them made them see they can screw us over that obviously and get away with it.theuprising said:
Also PS4 is charging less and you get alot more with psn+ then you do xbl gold plus it's not inferior or less secure if anything psn is more secure then xbl, I'm sure you'll go back to the hack in this but two things to consider: 1. If xbl was hacked MS wouldn't tell the cops or the press they'd just cover it up and 2. After the hacker Sony significantly increase it's security so even if theoretically xbl was significantly more secure then psn before the hack it isn't anymore. And of course in games the gameplay is the same, Sony actually uses more dedicated servers then MS in games, most of the differences like cross game chat have to do with the 360 OS having more RAM allocated to it.
No 360 fans aren't the smartest bunch, they were 360 fans lol, but they were at least smart enough to jump ship and the tv thing is just so kinect can target ad and gauge their effectiveness and send the data back to MS. Also people who are all about the games do get consoles, why because consoles have more games then pc but more then that they are more hassle free.
No actually ps4 doesn't require an HDTV. If you don't have an HDTV you need to get an adapter though like this one http://www.amazon.ca/component-YPbPr-HDMI-converter-v1-3/dp/B003VJ9RP6 I went through the same thing when I got an N64 it only came with component cables and I only had the cable slot because my tv was old so I had to get a similar adapter. And Xbone was doing horrible in preorders on amazon they were getting slaughtered, still are but to a lesser extent.theuprising said:
Yeah, what people really want is a console. Ya know, pop in a disc (or click your digital copy) and play. Online or offline. Sit back, relax with a controller and enjoy yourself. The Xbone didn't offer that, they took the worst aspects of PC gaming and tried to implement it. Without any benefits. You wouldn't see sales like steam does on XBL, you'll get full priced games years after the game was release, and the new XBL game for free? Limited timeframe, and really really old games that you played years ago.
MS had VERY bad PR, a console that it's hardware is very weak, and charged more which got you less than the PS4.
Again I will reiterate. People don't want a PC-ized console. They want a fucking console that is no hassle and lets you PLAY YOUR FUCKING GAME WITH THE LEAST AMOUNT OF HASSLE.
Get that through your thick skull OP.
MS had VERY bad PR, a console that it's hardware is very weak, and charged more which got you less than the PS4.
Again I will reiterate. People don't want a PC-ized console. They want a fucking console that is no hassle and lets you PLAY YOUR FUCKING GAME WITH THE LEAST AMOUNT OF HASSLE.
Get that through your thick skull OP.
That's just silly.AuronFtw said:
I call it the Xbox One because I think 'Xbone' is a ridiculous term.
Granted, I'm not defending the console, so I suppose there's a difference.
I'm not sure if I want to engage this OP though, because... well because his stance makes my brain hurt. Oh well...
Over the past week, I've had to restart my router roughly ten times just to stay connected to the internet. That's not even taking into account when the servers on the company's side would be broken, rendering me unable to access them and thus unable to play any games.theuprising said:
I appreciate that Microsoft backed off of the 24-hour check-in. It's not the same as the PS4 not having a mandatory Eye built-in, though. They're still going to be selling the PS4 Eye, it's just not being included in the base console. A proper analogue would be if Microsoft removed the mandatory Kinect, which is still a sticking point for a lot of people.
I don't give a toss about the online functionality, multimedia features, or 'cloud'. I care about the games (which I will also touch on later on here, since you seem to be under the misconception that people can't have a PC and a games console for similar reasons).
I have a PC. I also have a PS3 and an Xbox 360, and a PSP and PS Vita and Nintendo DS. Do you know why? Because they all have games that I like to play, and can't get unified on one system. I don't care about online multi-player. I don't care about being able to watch Blu-Rays, or getting Netflix, or accessing Facebook and Twitter from my console. I don't care about uploading videos, I don't care about in-game chatting with friends, I don't care. And because of that, I'm far more likely to pick up a Wii U and a PS4 in addition to upgrading my PC, rather than looking for an Xbox One. Because Microsoft's entire marketing plan revolved around everything except the games, and before they started backtracking, their ideas were going to actively impede my ability to play games I've purchased on the console I bought.
May I politely ask if you don't see if there's a problem that we had to take an unknown source's opinion at all? I mean, this is again the fault of Microsoft. We. Didn't. Know. From week to week, their own people changed and contradicted the story that was previously given. We never knew what we were getting. Think about how clear it would have all been if instead of trying to blow smoke in our face and say it was Pixie Dust to fly off to never-neverland, they would have had the balls to say 'Hey, not everyone's going to like it, but this is what we're doing'?9thRequiem said:
I mean, they already did it when they said 'We have a console for people who want to play offline'. I took it as a 'fuck you' personally, but I also at least had ONE iota of where they actually stood.
At this point, I at least know what we're getting for the X1. It might not be as shiny in your opinion, and I value yours... but it's definite. And I don't see how anyone can willingly set aside hundreds of dollars with the two step they were doing about what you'd actually get for those hundreds of dollars?
We're talking about a company where people asked them point blank questions, all they did was step side with colorful prose. If I didn't get comments about water coolers, if I didn't get 'It's the future, why wouldn't you want to follow us into the future'. If I had a spreadsheet of absolute facts of the matter, I would have been more quiet about my 'whining'.
But we didn't get any of that. We got misdirection at best. Treat me like a grown up. Tell me what I'd like and what I wouldn't like. Define these things. Don't have your figureheads mis-state or misunderstand your own device.
The Truth of the matter is this; before the reversal the very best we had were ideas that needed 'more explanation in the months to come' with a few cemented realities that I and many others disliked. If you hold a press event to sell a product, you better be more than willing to put it all on the line so we can tell you if we want the product. Holding it close to your vest is not the way to go, because it's up to THEM to convince a vast majority of people to want to buy the product. They had to tell us exactly what we were getting and how. They did not. None of them. Each got on and contradicted the other to where actually Newspapers were reporting that they had no idea what the Xbox One was. That's not a failure on our part in not understanding what we promised. that's Microsoft's fault. And if the only things they made clear is what myself and a few million others did not like... What would anyone expect?
And as you are rightfully voicing your opinion that it was unnecessary and distasteful that me and a few million others expressed dismay over the system, we rightfully voiced our opinion that they can't just treat us like asses then ask us to pay for the experience.
We don't want the PC-ization of consoles. We like consoles how they are.theuprising said:
Frankly I feel anyone who would want a DRM heavy, locked down gaming system that all the worst parts of the PC, combined with all the worst parts of consoles (like no mods, etc)...is a stupid, stupid person.
The Xbone180 didn't offer anything to us without taking away much more than it brought to the table.
Motion gaming isn't "the future", its a gimmick, and one that got really tired, really fast. Maybe the Kinect 2 will be better, frankly I don't really care...I like to sit back and relax when I play a game, not be forced to jump all over the place while the game incorrectly reads my actions, when I could much more easily press "A" on the freakin controller.
I'm GLAD I'm saving that $100 on my PS4 by not having an PS Eye or whatever its called now in the box, I'm really not very interested in it either.
As far as "benefits to an always online console"....there aren't any.
Well, that opening post was an amusing amount of unsubstantiated BULLSHIT.
Claims without proof or argumentation? Check.
New account? Check.
Blind antagonism trying to pass itself off as reason? Check check check.
In any case, thanks for the laugh.
Claims without proof or argumentation? Check.
New account? Check.
Blind antagonism trying to pass itself off as reason? Check check check.
In any case, thanks for the laugh.
I think you might have missed my point. o.o I myself was, and still am, against the DRM, etc, etc, etc, but during my time spent on the Xbox forums (I know, I know, God help me,) the gist of pretty much every argument had those opposed to Microsoft's now-revoked policies consisted of the side against (myself, those others who thought the region locking and DRM should be revoked) arguing, presenting pre-order information, polls, etc, etc. Meanwhile, those who WANTED the DRM would generally reply with 'Stop whining, this is the future of Gaming, we'll all advance to incredible things,' sounding almost cult-like. Generally, there seemed to be a lot of scorn in the forum for those who dared complain, and who didn't just 'Go to Sony,' as it was put.Forlong said:By adding all the disadvantages of PC gaming with exactly ZERO of the benefits. That's known as a "dick move".theuprising said:
Evidence of this? No? Well here's some evidence contrary:SeventhSigil said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ul2PD48hIfc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwXatsuUiA8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3peOt4rH3HA
Note the high number of dislikes on the first two videos, and the much lower number of dislikes on the third one.
Yes, because now Sony and Nintendo know they can't get away with pulling the same stunt.theuprising said:
Yeah, so what is Microsoft's excuse?theuprising said:
That's what convinced me too...and the fact that I've already downloaded 5 games for free.CrazyCapnMorgan said:I just want to say that, under normal circumstances, I'd have never bought a PS Vita.
But I did. Wanna know what changed my mind?
Then when the policies were REVERSED, the sides all but switched. Those who had originally criticized us for speaking out against the DRM were now speaking out against having it removed. I was just noting the irony that a group of individuals are talking about how we who were against the policies were 'whiners' while they themselves are hitting the same notes we were.
I'm not sure if you thought I was defending those who supported the old One. o.o I'm not quite that insane.
Why do we even need those apps, and don't we have to buy a letter typed to write faster, allot of us own apple devices, and phones which do all those apps, and more, and type faster without having to buy a console keyboard, and ps4 is one hundred dollars cheaper. ONE HUNDRED dollars cheaper. As for drm some games don't need it, and what if the Internet is down in a area? Also they sold the Xbox like it was a Wii to I am sure get the high sales of it, and I saw through it. I guess the only console that actuary cares about hard core gamers is the playstation. Also pcs cost a crap ton more,but I will move to a gaming pc if playstation starts doing what the Xbox is doing.
X-One tried to replace television. Yet, it requires a television to function. Fail.
X-One tried to become a PC. Yet it lacks anywhere near the current power of a modern PC, as well as the vast majority of programs and usefulness of a PC, therefore it failed at that objective as well.
X-One took a huge step back from its core demographic, and began focusing on the Frat/CoD demographic solely, as can easily be discerned from the fact that being able to watch Sports on the X-One (Again, you can already do that on your television) as well as basically only showing off CoD: Ghosts at the reveal were the two main points they tried to sell at the consumers at said reveal.
Microsoft showed their inherent greed by refusing to allow used games to be played on the system, and somehow thought that giving ten people you put on your own console a glorified demo system (the family "sharing" feature) while forcing the person who owned the game to use their own bandwidth to allow said demo somehow made up for it. Microsoft had clearly shown with that act that they feel that someone who pays $60+ for a game and $500+ for their console do not, in fact, own said console. A gaming console is not like a house, you do not pay mortgage costs on a game system or living expenses for any games within it. If I buy a console and it is in my home, it should belong to me, and that is all there is to it.
X-One requires Kinect to always be on to play the system. This has nothing to do with necessity and everything to do with Microsoft's greed as they saw it as an easy way to force people to shell out another $100 for the peripheral whether they want it or not. You must be out of your damn mind if you think I'll pay you $100+ more for a piece of buggy motion capture that I do not ever intend on using.
X-One required a check on the internet every 24 hours, lest you be unable to do virtually anything on the X-One. That is not only stupid, it's totally confusing as to who the hell would come up with that and why.
All of the backtracking Microsoft did with the console in the past few weeks has nothing to do with them caring about their consumers and everything to do with the fact that they realized their own idiocy and lack of knowledge of their main selling demographic was going to cost them large amounts of money in losses of console sales, which even now it still will.
All of that "all-digital" download stuff requires an extreme amount of memory to actually have those games on your system. I can guarantee the system will sell with a low-gig HD, basically forcing anyone who wants to have more than a handful of games downloaded to play at any given time to buy another one, or have to constantly keep re-downloading games when they feel like playing them, a chore that can take hours or more. I recall that installing all of Fallout 3 took my system quite some time.
So, that's why, OP. That is why there is so much hate for this glorified television and sub-par PC. I don't care about watching sports in between people screaming the word "******" on Call of Duty. I have a perfectly working PC right now that is more useful than the X-One will ever be to me. I also am not so lazy as to consider the fact that I could do everything on the system "without a remote".
PS4 comes with better hardware for a cheaper cost and none of the terrible DRM.
X-One tried to become a PC. Yet it lacks anywhere near the current power of a modern PC, as well as the vast majority of programs and usefulness of a PC, therefore it failed at that objective as well.
X-One took a huge step back from its core demographic, and began focusing on the Frat/CoD demographic solely, as can easily be discerned from the fact that being able to watch Sports on the X-One (Again, you can already do that on your television) as well as basically only showing off CoD: Ghosts at the reveal were the two main points they tried to sell at the consumers at said reveal.
Microsoft showed their inherent greed by refusing to allow used games to be played on the system, and somehow thought that giving ten people you put on your own console a glorified demo system (the family "sharing" feature) while forcing the person who owned the game to use their own bandwidth to allow said demo somehow made up for it. Microsoft had clearly shown with that act that they feel that someone who pays $60+ for a game and $500+ for their console do not, in fact, own said console. A gaming console is not like a house, you do not pay mortgage costs on a game system or living expenses for any games within it. If I buy a console and it is in my home, it should belong to me, and that is all there is to it.
X-One requires Kinect to always be on to play the system. This has nothing to do with necessity and everything to do with Microsoft's greed as they saw it as an easy way to force people to shell out another $100 for the peripheral whether they want it or not. You must be out of your damn mind if you think I'll pay you $100+ more for a piece of buggy motion capture that I do not ever intend on using.
X-One required a check on the internet every 24 hours, lest you be unable to do virtually anything on the X-One. That is not only stupid, it's totally confusing as to who the hell would come up with that and why.
All of the backtracking Microsoft did with the console in the past few weeks has nothing to do with them caring about their consumers and everything to do with the fact that they realized their own idiocy and lack of knowledge of their main selling demographic was going to cost them large amounts of money in losses of console sales, which even now it still will.
All of that "all-digital" download stuff requires an extreme amount of memory to actually have those games on your system. I can guarantee the system will sell with a low-gig HD, basically forcing anyone who wants to have more than a handful of games downloaded to play at any given time to buy another one, or have to constantly keep re-downloading games when they feel like playing them, a chore that can take hours or more. I recall that installing all of Fallout 3 took my system quite some time.
So, that's why, OP. That is why there is so much hate for this glorified television and sub-par PC. I don't care about watching sports in between people screaming the word "******" on Call of Duty. I have a perfectly working PC right now that is more useful than the X-One will ever be to me. I also am not so lazy as to consider the fact that I could do everything on the system "without a remote".
PS4 comes with better hardware for a cheaper cost and none of the terrible DRM.
Issues I have and still have with the xbone:
1: Indie devs can not self publish and can't provide FREE content updates(DLC)
2: Need live account for Netflix
3: Cant not upgrade or change out the HDD as you see fit.
4: How dodgy their PR team was towards questions directly about DRM prior to the reversal of the plans.
5. No word if they will be doing any cross platform stuff again with GFWL.
1: Indie devs can not self publish and can't provide FREE content updates(DLC)
2: Need live account for Netflix
3: Cant not upgrade or change out the HDD as you see fit.
4: How dodgy their PR team was towards questions directly about DRM prior to the reversal of the plans.
5. No word if they will be doing any cross platform stuff again with GFWL.
On the internet thing. XB live and PS+ both give you free games, its just the PS+ gives you the better deal since they are games you probably don't already own. But we have yet to see what kind of games XB live will throw at you once the XB1 is launched. So they both give you games. Both charge you. What's the difference?
Oh yeah, XB 1 has cloud infrastructure, the most notable benefit of which is DEDICATED SERVERS. PS4 does not have this, and are still charging you. Also PSN has had a major breach of security in the past...
Oh yeah, XB 1 has cloud infrastructure, the most notable benefit of which is DEDICATED SERVERS. PS4 does not have this, and are still charging you. Also PSN has had a major breach of security in the past...
The frat/CoD w/e WAS its main demographic. They bought the most games and Xboxes. Also yes they were trying to reach more casual and non-gamers with all of its multi-media features, which I thought was exactly what a console needed.Orthus said: