WWII finally ends...?
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Huh. I guess that WASN'T sarcastic enough. Knew I should have gone ALLCAPS!Pyromaniac1337 said:THEY GOT THE FUCKING FLAG WRONG FOR GOD SAKESWolvaroo said:
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I second this opinion. While it would make for an interesting change to be a Wehrmacht foot solider pounding on the door of Moscow or a crack Luftwaffe ace gunning done B 17s every Veteran, red blooded American and purist opposed to and change in the standard formula would chop the developers balls off, as well as anyone dumb enough to buy it.Skullkid4187 said:
Seems to me that almost everything covered here is about FPS or controlling a character. Been gaming most of my life, and in my honest yet humble opinion, Company of Heroes (+expansions) is THE shining star of RTS. It's just breathtaking. So, as long as WWII can be done as well as this, perhaps in different genres, then by all means... After all, it was pretty much the longest, most varied and most interesting phase of combined arms warfare.
What irritates me is that despite there being something like a bajillion WW2 games out there (I looked it up!) the vast majority of these mods continue to retread the same series of battles over and over and over and over and over.
Why can't we ever be fighting in Italy for once? Fighting against Rommel's famous Afrika Korps? Maybe even just a different perspective, perhaps as part of the French military trying to hold back the Blitzkrieg? Or give one of the other 3 beaches during Normandy have some time in the spotlight, hell, the Canadian beach bordered right onto a small town. That'd be a nice gameplay mixup to go straight from the beaches to house to house fighting.
Or maybe just not make it an FPS or an RTS for once? Why not a stealth game where you play as a downed pilot in enemy territory? Or a psychological thriller in which you're attempting to escape the SS? And then the ultimate of mind F*&k's, why not play as a German soldier? Doesn't have to be as a loyalist, Hitler took control by force remember, but as a regular German citizen dealing with the hellish realities of fighting in a war he doesn't believe in as his home and everything it once stood for is crushed beneath the iron fist of the Nazi regime? Could be a sorta grim adventure/rpg sorta game with branching dialogue and multiple endings.
But no, we get Omaha, again, and... oh look, the western front. Again. As an American. Again. *yawn*
Why can't we ever be fighting in Italy for once? Fighting against Rommel's famous Afrika Korps? Maybe even just a different perspective, perhaps as part of the French military trying to hold back the Blitzkrieg? Or give one of the other 3 beaches during Normandy have some time in the spotlight, hell, the Canadian beach bordered right onto a small town. That'd be a nice gameplay mixup to go straight from the beaches to house to house fighting.
Or maybe just not make it an FPS or an RTS for once? Why not a stealth game where you play as a downed pilot in enemy territory? Or a psychological thriller in which you're attempting to escape the SS? And then the ultimate of mind F*&k's, why not play as a German soldier? Doesn't have to be as a loyalist, Hitler took control by force remember, but as a regular German citizen dealing with the hellish realities of fighting in a war he doesn't believe in as his home and everything it once stood for is crushed beneath the iron fist of the Nazi regime? Could be a sorta grim adventure/rpg sorta game with branching dialogue and multiple endings.
But no, we get Omaha, again, and... oh look, the western front. Again. As an American. Again. *yawn*
There is war propaganda. IN SPACE. Companies will never let it die. Even if it means jumping to conclusions.
To an extent I enjoy the challenge of WWII based first person shooters having to use inferior weapons such as a 5 shot bolt-action rifle or 10 shot semi-auto rifle. If FORCES you to carefully use cover and fields of fire rather than just rush in twitch gaming style.
One thing that I think will be the final nail in the WWII-shooter's coffin is the trend of video games to have more fleshed out stories. See with world war 2 we all basically know how it went and how it ended.
Take the story of COD4 (them be spoilers in thar paragraph) where you enter the "Generic middle eastern city" and fight to get to the bad guy, I mean the nuke came as a complete surprise because it was an entirely fictional campaign. Again in the final level when the inter-continental ballistic missiles are launched and suddenly you have only 45 minutes to prevent the East coast of USA and likely the western world as well from being destroyed.
(arr, the spoilers be used up now)
I am only interested in WWII shooters if you are going to go the Wolfenstein/Ingourious Basterds route where you CAN deviate from history... so Hitler could get assassinated in 1944... or the Third Reich could successfully invade mainland Britain. I mean if I have to do D-day ONE MORE TIME...
Hitler was the most despicable man of the 20th century, he deserves to be ridiculed and killed over and over in games, it that is the way history remembers him as the final boss for everyone to get satisfaction from shooting till it dies... I think that's exactly the last thing he'd want.
One thing that I think will be the final nail in the WWII-shooter's coffin is the trend of video games to have more fleshed out stories. See with world war 2 we all basically know how it went and how it ended.
Take the story of COD4 (them be spoilers in thar paragraph) where you enter the "Generic middle eastern city" and fight to get to the bad guy, I mean the nuke came as a complete surprise because it was an entirely fictional campaign. Again in the final level when the inter-continental ballistic missiles are launched and suddenly you have only 45 minutes to prevent the East coast of USA and likely the western world as well from being destroyed.
(arr, the spoilers be used up now)
I am only interested in WWII shooters if you are going to go the Wolfenstein/Ingourious Basterds route where you CAN deviate from history... so Hitler could get assassinated in 1944... or the Third Reich could successfully invade mainland Britain. I mean if I have to do D-day ONE MORE TIME...
Hitler was the most despicable man of the 20th century, he deserves to be ridiculed and killed over and over in games, it that is the way history remembers him as the final boss for everyone to get satisfaction from shooting till it dies... I think that's exactly the last thing he'd want.
World War 2 was the largest conflict in human history. And chances are that it will remain the largest conflict in human history because if a bigger one happens in the future there won't be anyone left to make video games about it.
And that's the reason so many games are made of it. It's the last REAL war. It's not one technologically superior country carpet-bombing another one and then sending troops in to clear up whatever remains. It's not a proxy war between two small countries being covertly supplied by larger countries who don't want to risk the damage of direct confrontation. It's not patrolling a hot middle-eastern desert for days on end and then getting your legs blown off by an IED. It was real armies of almost the same strength shooting guns and lobbing grenades at each other in massive numbers. And there was air combat, tank combat, submarine combat, naval combat, jungle warfare, desert warfare, urban warfare, and every possible combination... And that makes it interesting in terms of gameplay.
Of course on top of that is that you can look back at World War II and actually say "these were the good guys" and "these were the bad guys". It might be an over-simplification, but the lines are clearer than any conflict which has happened since.
That said, I'd love to play a game from the German perspective of World War 2. Like, during the final days of the war when Berlin fell. All sorts of drama potential.
And that's the reason so many games are made of it. It's the last REAL war. It's not one technologically superior country carpet-bombing another one and then sending troops in to clear up whatever remains. It's not a proxy war between two small countries being covertly supplied by larger countries who don't want to risk the damage of direct confrontation. It's not patrolling a hot middle-eastern desert for days on end and then getting your legs blown off by an IED. It was real armies of almost the same strength shooting guns and lobbing grenades at each other in massive numbers. And there was air combat, tank combat, submarine combat, naval combat, jungle warfare, desert warfare, urban warfare, and every possible combination... And that makes it interesting in terms of gameplay.
Of course on top of that is that you can look back at World War II and actually say "these were the good guys" and "these were the bad guys". It might be an over-simplification, but the lines are clearer than any conflict which has happened since.
That said, I'd love to play a game from the German perspective of World War 2. Like, during the final days of the war when Berlin fell. All sorts of drama potential.
haven't made a game about the invasion of norway and denmark yet or the italian war so there is a little more you can do but i think WWII is taking a well deserved brake for the time being
Wanna rethink that statement? Bombing civilian targets was par for the course during that war - on all sides. Nobody batted and eye lash and the newspapers didn't whip people into a frenzy cause your sides bomb was five feet of target and hit a school that might have had kids in it if it was school hours.Silva said:
More care is taken to differentiate enemy combatants from civilians now then ever has been before.
how about from a soviet standpoint you could also try a british standpoint or japanese to all WWII games now you are macho mcbulletproof american soldier killing the entire german army on his own saving the world on his own (almost)XMark said:
Well, there was the red alert series which branched off an alternate dimension to world war two where the soviets took power since hitler never came up. I'm not sure if that counts though.