Xbox 720 is another iPhone 4S!!
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Ever notice how in the 80's it was about the games, and ever since Sega and Nintendo's bit war thing it become about graphics and what a machine can do...
I also wish Microsoft would release a console that won't lag during battles of games like N3 and Ninja Gaiden along with massive stutters in TES games.Dark Sup3rn0va said:
I am not buying this when it comes out after the RROD problems. I may not have experienced it as I went 5 years from launch before my console died I know many people who went through at least 3+ 360s. That and I hope to god they can give it enough power to actually run some of the aforementioned games with lag and FPS drop. Also this is still only a rumour.
No, it probably couldn't include the monitor. But you can't really fault me for that. A console doesn't come with a TV. I assume you, like me already have something for listening to sound and have a keyboard and mouse. Otherwise, we wouldn't be talking, lol. Things like that are easily recycleable from one computer to the next. Better quality monitors, speakers, mouses, and keyboards could come later.Hazy992 said:
Does an Xbox come with an HDTV now?Hazy992 said:
Regardless, you can easily put together a decent $600-700 gaming PC with at least a 6770 if not a 6850 or 560. For $1000 you can improve it a lot and get more modern and future proof tech, but it's doable on a budget.
If I wanted to take out a loan to play BF3 with realistic graphics at a billion FPS I'd buy a gaming PC.
If this console is over 300$ I'm going to be annoyed. Over 400$ I will ***** about it over the internet. Graphics don't matter nearly as much anymore as they used to. The level of graphics consoles get now is perfectly fine. So some added power for better performance and more complex games is nice but I don't want them to add too much else the price would skyrocket.
This isn't the 1000$ top of the line PC they're building. It's a high level console for under half, heck, maybe under a third of the price of the highest level PC.
This is good news if true.
If this console is over 300$ I'm going to be annoyed. Over 400$ I will ***** about it over the internet. Graphics don't matter nearly as much anymore as they used to. The level of graphics consoles get now is perfectly fine. So some added power for better performance and more complex games is nice but I don't want them to add too much else the price would skyrocket.
This isn't the 1000$ top of the line PC they're building. It's a high level console for under half, heck, maybe under a third of the price of the highest level PC.
This is good news if true.
Even if I didn't have a console I'd still have a TV, so yeah it's important. And I wasn't saying it sarcastically, I was genuinely unsure and might have been interested.Wolfram01 said:
EDIT: And I'm not very tech savvy so I have no idea what those numbers mean :s
Lugi said:
That is simply not true - at least as far as gamemaking goes - most of todays budget in games goes for stupid shit -just take a look at the old republic - at least 200 mil went into this garbage. The reason is that most of money sinks into big names for voicovers and commercials in prime time. Hollywoodization, that's what happened, sudden spike in costs without a clear improvement in gamemaking itself. While talking about graphics, we talk about working with an engine, if it's well done and easy in use, you gonna get more work mostly in modelling, textures and lighting. Rest is pretty much business as usual.
The thing is that casualization hit the market, and average joe must be able to afford the console and people must buy it en masse. So they take a relatively shitty card (mind that in the next year it will be even more shitty), slap xbawks logo on it and start printing money.
Cost of making games wouldn't go up as much as you think, cost of a console would, be it good or bad thing. I personally think that if you want to make something to last for a few years, you should at least make sure that it won't be slow even at release date.
Based on these specs I think "hardcore" console gamers will find themselves marginalized, just like PC gamers often do, and MS will focus mostly on casual games.
Also, Kotaku is reporting the system will have a built-in anti-used games measure. I think this is a fairly obvious prediction but a lot of people are blind to it. All Microsoft has to do is include a 3G chip and the Xbox will be able to connect to sattelite networks to register DRM, that's what Amazon does with some kindles, there is no such thing as offline mode.
Also, Kotaku is reporting the system will have a built-in anti-used games measure. I think this is a fairly obvious prediction but a lot of people are blind to it. All Microsoft has to do is include a 3G chip and the Xbox will be able to connect to sattelite networks to register DRM, that's what Amazon does with some kindles, there is no such thing as offline mode.
I forget where but an article listed a 7000 series in the console. right now i think the rumor mill is at full steam and we should wait a bit. oh and the difference between 720 and 1080 might be a bid deal to some, and on my monitor i defiantly notice. but on my tv i could care less what my resolution was looks all the same to me, that being said my vision could just be impaired XD.
What's great is how microsoft has not confirmed that they ate making an Xbox 720 at all. Remember the Wii U? No one knew about its name or how it worked, now be patient and stop making assumptions
Begs the serious question of why the 6670 over a 6850 based chipset?Cronq said:
The 6850's cheap, being phased out of retail production and can even survive being used with passive cooling. But would deliver a massive extra chunk of power, even using a down volted version in the style of mobile chips.
Weird to make a brand new console with a budget-end GPU from the get go. It'll be heavily outdated within 12 months.
Then again, there are no signs of a DX12 coming with Windows 8, so at least it won't be as bad as the 360 landing with DX9 just as DX10 strikes. Never know, might even be able run ARMA/2, which would be quite something to see on Xbox Live.
Given the 360s current specs, 6 times better would equate to, if multiple cores scaled noramlly, an 18-core 3.2ghz chip. You have an 18-core PC? If so, I'm impressed.Clive Howlitzer said:
Even if your logic was somehow correct and the new console had an "18-core 3.2ghz chip", the "6 times better" would still mean that it'd have the visual horsepower of a mid-range graphics card from last generation and games on contemporary PCs would still look better and run smoother.Da Orky Man said:
In any case, I believe the AMD 6670 rumour wrong. MS knows better than that. Using a chip twice as fast would bump production cost with less than $20, power and cooling accounted.
Lol. Because architecture scales linearly...Da Orky Man said:
You should realize that new CPUs are getting much better performance per clock than they used to. A current i3 2120 - a dual core Intel CPU - performs on par with an AMD Phenom II X4 955 quad core. I'm not sure but I think the Xbox uses something like the AMD Athelon X3, which is old shit and probably not even half as good as an i3. Let alone a full on i7 2600k.