Xbox 720: No disk drive, No used games.

[Sylveria]

I hope they do this, it'll be certain death for the Xbox brand and all their exclusives. The publishers don't realize people frequently trade in old games to get extra funds to buy new ones. If they eliminate that option for consumers, sales as a whole, will drop drastically.

Not to mention that the internet providers are going to start gouging or throttling the shit out of everything when they start seeing 3million people trying to download all 10+gigs of Call of Duty 12 all on launch day.

Nah, go for it Microsoft, it's a great plan. The PSP Go sold like gang-busters didn't it?

 

[00slash00]

i would like ever console to do this, so the used vs. new game debate would end and i wouldnt have to hear entitled children constantly whining about developers discouraging the sale of used games (and i think its hilariously ironic when gamers accuse developers of being entitled for wanting to be paid for what they created). this would also be a huge blow to places like gamestop and game who, quite frankly, have had it coming. honestly through, its too soon for something like this. disc based gaming is going away but we probably wont be ready for that for at least 10 years or so

 

[Jopoho]

I don't mind the ever-present shift to digital media, but the lack of backwards compatibility would be disheartening. I love going back to old games, and I don't like the idea of having to have a bunch of consoles all out at once just so that I can play old games.

Still, I suppose I can't expect technology companies to hold onto the past forever, can I?

 

[Something Amyss]

You know what worries me most about this rumour?

The fact that the game is linked to your console. What if your console crashes?! you would loose all your games...

Probably the same thing that happens with your downloads now.

Yeah this rumor came around last cycle too [http://www.tjoystiq.com/2005/11/08/playstation-3-wont-play-used-games/]. Of course then it was the PS3 that wasn't going to play used games. Well we all know how that rumor turned out. I suspect this one will turn out about the same.

Thank you, oh fellow poster posessed of an attention span greater than six months.

 

[Deef]

Because now unfounded rumours are legitimate sources of information too!

 

[Something Amyss]

and making it digital download only is stupid and Microsoft knows it.

Which isn't what the rumour claims.

 

[008Zulu_v1legacy]

They are not stupid. They know they'll lose customers over the world, but they also know most of the money is in north america and western europe.

When the publisher makes less than 50% of the new price from retail and that retail copy is resold a couple times used, you know you can shut out a majority of the potential gaming audience and still make a bigger profit with this scheme.

I doubt two shrinking markets will be able to provide the same level of profit on a 60 million plus title, than if they kept to disc format and didn't alienate the rest of the world.

The Vita has done all the 720 is planning on doing, look how well it turned out.

 

[Epona]

Even if it is true, you know how you can change it? Take action and refuse to buy the machine. Send mails. Start a campaign on the internet. Actually do stuff.
But no, you won't, because you all want Call of Duty MW 7 or whatever. So either refuse to buy the machine (which you won't, for there will be no other alternatives if this strikes through. If Xbox pulls this, so will the rest), or shut up.

What purpose do posts like this serve? Do you think you will shame people into not buying?

All you have done is taken the good will you may have generated in the first sentence and ruin it with the rest of your post.

I'll give you an example of how you come off "Please join my organization you brainwashed idiot!". Note to mods, not calling anyone a name, just using an example to make a point.

 

[JasonKaotic]

Well, I know one developer I'll never buy games from again.
But yeah, these are just rumours. Wrong ones. Things would be catastrophic for Microsoft if they were true. People would flock to the PS4 for cheaper games and being generally for being able to use discs.
Seriously, the next Xbox not being able to take discs would be a bloody awful idea. That'd mean there'd be a limit on how many games you could have, with games taking up memory and all, and if you're like me and your internet provider happens to be crap, getting new games would be a pain.
Whoever started these rumours needs a kick in the shin.

 

[zelda2fanboy]

Yeah, I'd totally buy that. Microsoft you should really do that. *wink, wink*

The 360 had so many hidden costs right out of the box that I'm not likely to buy another Microsoft game system again, even if they did fix those problems. Xbox Live should be free, it should have had wi-fi out of the box, the extended warranty should have been free once hardware problems became evident (or at least discounted), it shouldn't have tied netflix to xbox live subscription, it should have used real world currency instead of points in the arcade.... Not to be a fanboy or anything, but the PS3 is a superior product. I would prefer the xbox go under, just so there are fewer console exclusives and I have fewer systems in my house collecting dust. This hobby is expensive.

 

[Realitycrash]

Even if it is true, you know how you can change it? Take action and refuse to buy the machine. Send mails. Start a campaign on the internet. Actually do stuff.
But no, you won't, because you all want Call of Duty MW 7 or whatever. So either refuse to buy the machine (which you won't, for there will be no other alternatives if this strikes through. If Xbox pulls this, so will the rest), or shut up.

What purpose do posts like this serve? Do you think you will shame people into not buying?

All you have done is taken the good will you may have generated in the first sentence and ruin it with the rest of your post.

I'll give you an example of how you come off "Please join my organization you brainwashed idiot!". Note to mods, not calling anyone a name, just using an example to make a point.

Was hoping to shame people into bitching less on the internet/creating less threads about it, actually. I honestly don't care either way it swings on this, I just don't like men and women acting like entitled children about some things without putting in some effort.

Or what, you going to churn me for not taking the pedagogical route and trying to inspire?
Sorry, I guess I wanted to vent some rage more than teach a productive lesson.
But I can see the point made against that as well (that the people I churn are doing the same), so I guess it comes down to (in the end); Why are people assholes to eachother, when every asshole is a hypocrite?
Sadly, I don't have the answer to that.

 

[Chunga the Great]

Even if it is true, you know how you can change it? Take action and refuse to buy the machine. Send mails. Start a campaign on the internet. Actually do stuff.
But no, you won't, because you all want Call of Duty MW 7 or whatever. So either refuse to buy the machine (which you won't, for there will be no other alternatives if this strikes through. If Xbox pulls this, so will the rest), or shut up.

Day before launch: Millions vow XBox Boycott

Day after Launch: XBox 3 sets one-day sales records.

Just like ME3.

OT: This is more than likely complete BS. After all, it is a RUMOR, one which can hardly be identified as true.

 

[theheroofaction]

Well, first I want to say this is coming from IGN who is in no way reliable.

Next, so what if it is true, then, unlike the butthurt with individual games, other consoles would be similar enough that there would be an alternative.

 

[veloper]

They are not stupid. They know they'll lose customers over the world, but they also know most of the money is in north america and western europe.

When the publisher makes less than 50% of the new price from retail and that retail copy is resold a couple times used, you know you can shut out a majority of the potential gaming audience and still make a bigger profit with this scheme.

I doubt two shrinking markets will be able to provide the same level of profit on a 60 million plus title, than if they kept to disc format and didn't alienate the rest of the world.

The Vita has done all the 720 is planning on doing, look how well it turned out.

The economy may be taking a worse turn, but the first two regions is still the best the publishers got. M$ isn't getting a foothold in Japan, with Sony and Nintendo there and beyond that is only the fringe. If you thought piracy and bootlegging was bad in Europe, compare the upcoming economies of India and China. Nope, WE and NA is where the xbox makes it's money.


A comparison between fixed consoles and PCs is more valid than consoles to portables here. DD is bigger on the PC than retail nowadays. That's the direction we're heading. DD in the upcoming generation is only sooner than most expected, but it will happen.

PC gamers do tend to be more enthousiast crowds with more money to throw at gaming, but internet isn't that special. Bandwidth will continue to improve. Focus in console land is already on multiplayer. The biggest selling franchises have short singleplayer campaigns as an afterthought, but sell hotcakes for the MP experience. Consider BF3 and MW3 as prime examples.

 

[Epona]

Even if it is true, you know how you can change it? Take action and refuse to buy the machine. Send mails. Start a campaign on the internet. Actually do stuff.
But no, you won't, because you all want Call of Duty MW 7 or whatever. So either refuse to buy the machine (which you won't, for there will be no other alternatives if this strikes through. If Xbox pulls this, so will the rest), or shut up.

What purpose do posts like this serve? Do you think you will shame people into not buying?

All you have done is taken the good will you may have generated in the first sentence and ruin it with the rest of your post.

I'll give you an example of how you come off "Please join my organization you brainwashed idiot!". Note to mods, not calling anyone a name, just using an example to make a point.

Was hoping to shame people into bitching less on the internet/creating less threads about it, actually. I honestly don't care either way it swings on this, I just don't like men and women acting like entitled children about some things without putting in some effort.

Or what, you going to churn me for not taking the pedagogical route and trying to inspire?
Sorry, I guess I wanted to vent some rage more than teach a productive lesson.
But I can see the point made against that as well (that the people I churn are doing the same), so I guess it comes down to (in the end); Why are people assholes to eachother, when every asshole is a hypocrite?
Sadly, I don't have the answer to that.

Bitching about it on the internet raises awareness which is probably more valuable than a single person refusing to buy a console but not telling anyone why.

Entitled? I almost didn't respond to this post at all because of the use of this word. Consumers are ENTITLED to resell what they buy, your usage would suggest that it's a bad thing that consumers are entitled to that. I am trying to avoid answering posts where the term is used so next time you use it, I may ignore it.

I just get annoyed that people assume they know what other buy. You don't know who will and will not buy the 720. You know what you're really doing? You are giving people on the fence to go buy it because they are being accused of it either way.

 

[Realitycrash]

Even if it is true, you know how you can change it? Take action and refuse to buy the machine. Send mails. Start a campaign on the internet. Actually do stuff.
But no, you won't, because you all want Call of Duty MW 7 or whatever. So either refuse to buy the machine (which you won't, for there will be no other alternatives if this strikes through. If Xbox pulls this, so will the rest), or shut up.

What purpose do posts like this serve? Do you think you will shame people into not buying?

All you have done is taken the good will you may have generated in the first sentence and ruin it with the rest of your post.

I'll give you an example of how you come off "Please join my organization you brainwashed idiot!". Note to mods, not calling anyone a name, just using an example to make a point.

Was hoping to shame people into bitching less on the internet/creating less threads about it, actually. I honestly don't care either way it swings on this, I just don't like men and women acting like entitled children about some things without putting in some effort.

Or what, you going to churn me for not taking the pedagogical route and trying to inspire?
Sorry, I guess I wanted to vent some rage more than teach a productive lesson.
But I can see the point made against that as well (that the people I churn are doing the same), so I guess it comes down to (in the end); Why are people assholes to eachother, when every asshole is a hypocrite?
Sadly, I don't have the answer to that.

Bitching about it on the internet raises awareness which is probably more valuable than a single person refusing to buy a console but not telling anyone why.

Entitled? I almost didn't respond to this post at all because of the use of this word. Consumers are ENTITLED to resell what they buy, your usage would suggest that it's a bad thing that consumers are entitled to that. I am trying to avoid answering posts where the term is used so next time you use it, I may ignore it.

I just get annoyed that people assume they know what other buy. You don't know who will and will not buy the 720. You know what you're really doing? You are giving people on the fence to go buy it because they are being accused of it either way.

Actually, consumers are only ENTITLED (sorry, had to) to resell a product if it is covered by the EULA they signed when they bought it. If the entire business want to get together and make an EULA that says "no reselling", then you aren't ent..Erhm, allowed to it any longer.
And since Steam has successfully taken this route (you do not own, but lease) I don't see it becoming impossible for the producers of consoles to take the same route.
In fact, I almost predict it, if people won't get their act together. But I also don't care if they don't, for I havenät owned a console since the N64 (for several reasons, not saying PC-gaming is per se better, tho), and it gives me a rather perverse pleasure of allowing people to suffer from the mess they put themselves in. Same goes for PC-gamers and their Day-one-dlc anger.

 

[RatRace123]

If that were the case, no sell for me.

I like having hard copies of things.

 

[renegade7]

what about those of us with bad internet? For the 2 GB ME3 demo it took 4 hours for my xbox to download it.

Don't even want to think about a full 10-15 gigabyte game.

 

[Epona]

Even if it is true, you know how you can change it? Take action and refuse to buy the machine. Send mails. Start a campaign on the internet. Actually do stuff.
But no, you won't, because you all want Call of Duty MW 7 or whatever. So either refuse to buy the machine (which you won't, for there will be no other alternatives if this strikes through. If Xbox pulls this, so will the rest), or shut up.

What purpose do posts like this serve? Do you think you will shame people into not buying?

All you have done is taken the good will you may have generated in the first sentence and ruin it with the rest of your post.

I'll give you an example of how you come off "Please join my organization you brainwashed idiot!". Note to mods, not calling anyone a name, just using an example to make a point.

Was hoping to shame people into bitching less on the internet/creating less threads about it, actually. I honestly don't care either way it swings on this, I just don't like men and women acting like entitled children about some things without putting in some effort.

Or what, you going to churn me for not taking the pedagogical route and trying to inspire?
Sorry, I guess I wanted to vent some rage more than teach a productive lesson.
But I can see the point made against that as well (that the people I churn are doing the same), so I guess it comes down to (in the end); Why are people assholes to eachother, when every asshole is a hypocrite?
Sadly, I don't have the answer to that.

Bitching about it on the internet raises awareness which is probably more valuable than a single person refusing to buy a console but not telling anyone why.

Entitled? I almost didn't respond to this post at all because of the use of this word. Consumers are ENTITLED to resell what they buy, your usage would suggest that it's a bad thing that consumers are entitled to that. I am trying to avoid answering posts where the term is used so next time you use it, I may ignore it.

I just get annoyed that people assume they know what other buy. You don't know who will and will not buy the 720. You know what you're really doing? You are giving people on the fence to go buy it because they are being accused of it either way.

Actually, consumers are only ENTITLED (sorry, had to) to resell a product if it is covered by the EULA they signed when they bought it. If the entire business want to get together and make an EULA that says "no reselling", then you aren't ent..Erhm, allowed to it any longer.
And since Steam has successfully taken this route (you do not own, but lease) I don't see it becoming impossible for the producers of consoles to take the same route.
In fact, I almost predict it, if people won't get their act together. But I also don't care if they don't, for I havenät owned a console since the N64 (for several reasons, not saying PC-gaming is per se better, tho), and it gives me a rather perverse pleasure of allowing people to suffer from the mess they put themselves in. Same goes for PC-gamers and their Day-one-dlc anger.

No, an EULA doesn't automatically override the First sale Doctrine. If that were the case the game publishers would have already done it, think about it.

The reason you can't resell PC games isn't because of an EULA, it's because of activation codes. Think about that too.