Xbox One Fans create a petition to have Microsoft re-enable the DRM for the Xbox One

[jamail77]

Ignoring the comments there may be some seriousness to this. I've seen legit Facebook comments as well as Reddit threads, articles, forums, and more trying to explain how much of a good thing this is, how it would have "revolutionized" gaming and how we all just don't get it. They do make some good points however fallacious they are and however inconvenient critical info and business sense is left out of them. Yes, the idea is good but not only is the world not ready for it yet but the policies Microsoft had in place to implement that kind of gaming were terrible. "Always online" as your entire business model no matter how advanced we get is a terrible business model to rely on anyway for reasons too long to go into. It looks like it was deleted but Vamuke "Luciferno" Weruke, an admin on the DBZ Memes Facebook page said something to this effect and started arguing this was nothing more than a bandwagon with little understanding of the tech and environment behind this.

 

[Alakaizer]

What must gaming be like in Norway that they want the restoration of these shenanigans???

I never had rage over the Xbox One, this whole thing has had me laughing my ass off for months, and while the ideas themselves were idiotic, they were trying something different. Hilariously wrong, but different. Of course, the Red Ring of Death had me splitting my sides too, but that's because Microsoft gaming has never interested me. Shoot, the 360 had deficiencies compared to the PS3 and the Wii like no wireless connectivity and charged memberships. I've never purchased any Xbox console or game, and it looks like this streak will continue, no matter what happens to the One-Eighty.

 

[Rariow]

Kinda want to sign it in hopes that Microsoft'll pull yet another face-heel turn of hilarity, but won't. Then I guess we'd have the Xbox 360 again.

Out of the ~400 signatures on the thing, I'm betting at least 390 are trolls. Even my less gaming-savy acquaintances who are still living the console wars and are mostly what one may consider "Xbox fanboys" grudgingly accepted that the PS4 was a better option. Most of them are pretty smart, but some of them are really quite thick, so if it penetrated THEIR brains, you've just gotta be insane to want it.

To be fair, the family sharing features did look pretty neat, but the rest was just Microsoft putting up a big middle finger for consumers.

 

[Anthony Corrigan]

IF the family sharing worked as reported and that's a big IF Microsoft didn't HAVE to remove it, they wanted to encourage people to move digital well there was there chance. They could have kept it for digital downloads and had that as a point of difference between disks and digital. So don't blame the customers because microcrap threw a temper tantrum and took its toys home. They made that choice not us

 

[Spartan448]

I say we all sign it so that MS puts the DRM back in, then when no-one buys their shit, they'll stop making consoles, and then all we have to do is burn EA to the ground, put Zynga on a spit, and make sure that no Call of Duty is ever released on PC again, and then we'll have saved the games industry.

 

[tilmoph]

Makes sense to me. We've had, on this very board, more than a few people (whom I refuse to believe were all Microsoft employees, possibly out of naivete) who actually yelled at us and gamers in general, for wanting to get rid of the DRM things. And my and most others response was basically "We didn't like something. We used what tools we had to end that something. If you really want that horse shit back, do what we did and see if it takes."

Frankly, this is a move in the right direction; stop blaming us for succeeding, and try to convince Microsoft that there is a market that hates having freedom with their games, that there are people who are too rock stupid to handle the complexities of "finding discs" or "moving the hard drive" and desperately want their corporate behemoth in shining armor to save them from their own retardation. Enough of one, in fact, that they should do a double reverse and bring it all back.

It won't work mind; Microsoft is not eating the lose of face a "drm, no drm, yes drm" is going to entail. Hell, they're still getting nailed over steps one and two, and a lot of people don't trust them to stick with two over the long term.

 

[Lilani]

"Oh look, an Internet petition! I'm going to watch this one closely and decide what future actions to take based on the results!"

-- No company ever.

 

[Trivea]

"No more searching around the house for discs."

I bought a 500 count CD case at Wal-Mart for twelve bucks. It has ALL of my disc games in it, sorted by console in alphabetical order. If you don't know where your discs are, it's your own damn fault and it's no one's job to fix it but your own.

 

[rasta111]

The real Xbone fans are the ones who complained about the DRM... Does anyone seriously think if no one had said anything and they released as they supposedly planned... It would've all worked out for the Xbone in the end?

The fact that so many complained should be evidence to the contrary. Unless their words were empty to begin with.

... I kind of wish no one had said anything just to see...

 

[Nimzabaat]

I find it funny in a sad way that nobody seems to realize that having to put the disc in the console is the most restrictive form of DRM on the planet. MS's family share program was less restrictive, not more. Though, from seeing the petitions there are at least some people who want more as opposed freedom to share as opposed to less, and want to spend less as opposed to more.

 

[Diablo1099_v1legacy]

...You have GOT to be kidding me!
This about that Family Sharing thing? Good lord, the DRM will still be bad enough thanks to publishers being able to use it in their games, why make things worse?!

 

[COMaestro]

I find it funny in a sad way that nobody seems to realize that having to put the disc in the console is the most restrictive form of DRM on the planet. MS's family share program was less restrictive, not more. Though, from seeing the petitions there are at least some people who want more as opposed freedom to share as opposed to less, and want to spend less as opposed to more.

I do not see a physical disc as DRM. It is a physical object that I own! You can't have DIGITAL rights management on a PHYSICAL object. THAT is what we all complained about once Microsoft explained their original plans for the Xbone. They could have kept their plans, made all discs just an installation platform that had no purpose once the game was installed, but their insistence on a 24-hour check in was just stupid.

All they had to do was change their policy so the system only had to check in when a new game is installed, a game is uninstalled (given away, sold), or someone is playing it through their family share plan (which has never been fully explained in detail by a trusted source how it would work, so don't claim that it is less restrictive. You don't know that for sure.). If they still wanted to insist on some kind of periodic check-in they could have made it once a week or once a month. Many people would have been okay with that, especially considering the KB size of the data that would be needed.

I still wouldn't have purchased one, but it would have calmed much of the backlash they received upon announcing their intentions. Still, with the required Kinect that a majority of people have stated they don't want, a $100 greater price tag over the PS4, and the TERRIBLE PR done by the big names in the company in regards to consumer concerns (#dealwithit, "don't have good internet, buy a 360", etc), there are good reasons many people still won't touch the system. If Microsoft wants to listen to a few thousand people and change things back to how they were originally envisoned, good for them, but know you'd be one to blame when their console division goes out of business for lack of sales.

 

[Laser Priest]

I find it funny in a sad way that nobody seems to realize that having to put the disc in the console is the most restrictive form of DRM on the planet.

I'm interested in how a system that allows me to play a game on any console that can read it anywhere as long as I have the disc, regardless of whether or not I originally bought it is restrictive. Or will you just continue acting condescending without actually bothering to support your argument?

And considering that the Family "share" program would have resulted in far fewer games selling, you know Microsoft would have done something. Kind of like how they are denying it would function on timed demos after blatantly saying it would.

 

[Phrozenflame500]

I actually hope this will happen just so that I can laugh at the ensuing trainwreck.

 

[Nimzabaat]

I'm interested in how a system that allows me to play a game on any console that can read it anywhere as long as I have the disc, regardless of whether or not I originally bought it is restrictive. Or will you just continue acting condescending without actually bothering to support your argument?

Well let's say that you have a friend in New York and you live in Vancouver. If you wanted to lend that friend a game via the PS4/Nintendo system you'd have to drive or fly there to give it to them. On the other hand, being able to send a text like "hey buddy I just got Destiny, i'm not playing it at the moment, try it out" would save you a lot of travel time, not to mention gas money or airfare. Keep in mind that it's such a great idea that Valve is considering it, so obviously there was merit there. It was just a little too high concept for the majority of the PCGMR to figure out, though obviously some people "got it" and are trying the petition route.

I do love how Sony managed to make fun of gamers for being idiots and poke fun at MS for thinking too highly of their customers all at the same time. Double zing!

 

[Canadamus Prime]

It's like Einstein said "Only 2 things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity and I'm not so sure about the Universe."

 

[Laser Priest]

I'm interested in how a system that allows me to play a game on any console that can read it anywhere as long as I have the disc, regardless of whether or not I originally bought it is restrictive. Or will you just continue acting condescending without actually bothering to support your argument?

Well let's say that you have a friend in New York and you live in Vancouver. If you wanted to lend that friend a game via the PS4/Nintendo system you'd have to drive or fly there to give it to them. On the other hand, being able to send a text like "hey buddy I just got Destiny, i'm not playing it at the moment, try it out" would save you a lot of travel time, not to mention gas money or airfare. Keep in mind that it's such a great idea that Valve is considering it, so obviously there was merit there. It was just a little too high concept for the majority of the PCGMR to figure out, though obviously some people "got it" and are trying the petition route.

I do love how Sony managed to make fun of gamers for being idiots and poke fun at MS for thinking too highly of their customers all at the same time. Double zing!

And somehow, being able to play the games I've bought, even if they are used is less restrictive.

Plus, what you're citing isn't part of the DRM. It's the Family Sharing features (something that could easily be maintained without the ridiculous anti-consumer DRM, but they removed to manipulate those who they easily could). Also, they could try out things on Demos.

Nice job trying to support your argument, but what you've done is gone to the one good feature the Xbone had and the one that Microsoft removed to try to act as if the consumers were in the wrong here.

Personally, how much Microsoft is trying to screw all of its customers for some extra profit is disgusting enough that I have no desire to get it. Plus, they're trying to make some sort of multimedia technological Frankenstein's monster rather than a gaming console.

Also, good job insulting everyone who doesn't want forced online, area restrictions, damage of the used game market and any actual right to own the bloody games they've purchased. Really subtle. So subtle, in fact that anyone with eyes can see it.

 

[Headdrivehardscrew]

I'm not entirely certain if they're serious.

...and if they really are serious, I doubt they understand the full scope of Microsoft's attempt at introducing the most heavy-handed, restrictive and bass-ackwards fun little bundle of DRM and total control we've seen in, like, ever.

I also liked the idea of being able to 'share' my games with, ahem, 'family members' - however, the very specifics of which have never been properly divulged for us to dissect, discuss and understand. I am pretty sure they wouldn't have been as free or as fun as we all imagined. When I think free, I think free beer. Yay! When Microsoft gives me something for free, I'd totally expect it to be crack laced with heroine laced with PCP laced with artificial strawberry flavour. But that's just me being me.

Plus, what you're citing isn't part of the DRM. It's the Family Sharing features (something that could easily be maintained without the ridiculous anti-consumer DRM, but they removed to manipulate those who they easily could). Also, they could try out things on Demos.

Careful! Just give this thought a little time and space in your personal little brain attic: What if the 'Family Sharing' feature would have sucked? You know - just a sort of user-supported promotional vehicle, with no real proper sharing and very strict rules and dire repercussions if the user was caught sharing games with people outside of his or her family? I wouldn't put it past Microsoft execs to have had completely different ideas of what would have made 'Family Sharing' a good thing. Sooo... Also, as you said - if the 'Sharing' bit really was all innocent, fun and good, they could totally have kept it in. But there's only so much rage and debacle a company or a nascent product can take before everything turns to proper shite.

 

[KOMega]

So this family sharing thing. I'm still skeptical because I don't know enough official details about it.
(official detail, not speculation.)

Still, lets say it works like everyone thinks it does.
I don't think microsoft has to employ all it's other restrictions along side family sharing.

Why not just have family sharing only for digital/downloaded games?
The people who want to have discs can have their discs without worrying about having a brick if their internet goes down for awhile.

The people who want to play their digital/downloaded games shared to them through this "family sharing" must be connected to the internet because it's being streamed to them or something, or just to verify that you are still playing the game so 10 people can't play off the same copy at the same time. idk... reasons!