Xbox One reveal live discussion

[barbzilla]

Apparently you have to install games to a single account to play them. If another account wants to play the game, they have to pay a fee.

So yeah... looks like Microsoft are actually going to try and stamp down on used games sales.

Nice knowing you Microsoft. Looks like the three horse race just lost a horse.

Not necessarily. I am betting that all accounts on the same console will have access to the installed games. Isn't that how it works now on the 360?

The game will be tied to your Live account and to the console.

Ahem... apparently not. If Wired's hands-on is anything to go by, they're actually going to charge other accounts to play the same game.

Did you misread something, or did you link the wrong article. It does not say anything of the sort, only that it has a one time install. That likely means it will be console linked, not account linked. At no point do they say account, they say owner, those are two completely separate words.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not with this practice at all, and I see it as a deal breaker, but I don't need to make stuff up to make it sound worse than it already makes itself look.

The Impression I get is that The fee only applies if you want to play the game without the disc in the tray, If that's the case they really have to charge.

Just looked further into it and it seems like Wired miscued that statement. I have a guess that we are going to see a system where you can fully install a game onto your account, and then it will be non-transferable, on the other hand it could mean mandatory installs and keys linked to your account, making it unplayable on other accounts/systems. Time will tell, I almost think that they are just feeling the waters still, trying to figure out how much of the rug they can pull from under us.

 

[Requia]

Charging the same though despite not having the costs of physical packaging and distribution (and wasn't there a tax on hard copies which is why new ones were $60 but pc versions were $50?). Charging the same for a digital copy though, despite the reduced cost of not having to actually print out a copy to give to me, is not cool. Looking at you Games Workshop.

The 50$ for PC 60$ for console thing is the console manufacturers cut of the sale.

 

[Nomanslander]

Honestly, really hoping those 8 new IPs turn out to be duds too. I mean, what if they're spectacular? I don't want this system now.

:/

 

[Pink Gregory]

Kind of a damp squib from what I've seen, though I'm at least pleased that LIVE on the 360 won't be being retired.

Personally, I think that they felt it necessary to advertise it's appeal as home decor says a lot about the kind of market they're going for.

So Microsoft is no longer really targeting 'core' gamers. *shrug*, just means there's a gap in the market to be filled; there are plenty of games from the last two generations that I have yet to play and enjoy, and that's additional to mah PC.

 

[Windcaler]

So they want the same space of the living room that the steambox is trying to take up. Interesting. I cant say Im enthused by the presentation but to be fair it was mostly buzz words with no meat to sink my teeth into. I didnt think I was going to get the Xbox before and now, Im sure Im not going to.

Interestingly I heard (and I cant confirm that) that Sony's stocks raised by 9% and Microsofts dropped 5% after this announcement

 

[Anathrax]

Wait a second, wouldn't the SmartGlass/Kinect combo, the 3 OSs, the movie functionality and other things use some of the ram to operate or at least be on standby for lower loading times?

 

[Imper1um]

You know what's really sad about the console? With the inclusion of the Windows 8 system, you're looking at a 1-2GB Usage of the console for just the BS that most of us on these forums don't care about. I don't even know what kind of required usage we're looking at for the Overly Complicated "Glue OS" which is just an overly complicated Windows 8/Windows 360 Switcher. It seems like when everything is all completed, you're looking at not much improvement...

You know, for a Gaming Console, we didn't see much Gaming during the announcement.

 

[someonehairy-ish]

4. ONLY 8 GB of RAM? Completely standard... 16 GB should have been the norm if you want to future-proof.

This. If the freaking laptop I bought over a year ago is as powerful as your 'next gen' console, you're doing something wrong...

Out of all the things to pick on...RAM? Really?

Why can't people understand that consoles don't run massive operating systems with countless processes running in the background? And even then, the only way I can genuinely finish all 8GB RAM on my PC is if I simultaneously run 2 games at the same time while having Adobe Photoshop and Adobe Premier loaded with projects. Yeah, I don't think a console is going to be doing that.

But it's going to be running three freaking operating systems at once and you can supposedly 'instantly' switch between all of them...

Plus games are only going to get more RAM (and everything else) hungry this generation.

But anyway, you do have a point, there are much more pressing things to ***** about discuss. Like having to pay to attach a game to more than one account. Da fuck? That would be like if a CD I owned could only be put in one iTunes library, or something :|

 

[Dansrage]

4. ONLY 8 GB of RAM? Completely standard... 16 GB should have been the norm if you want to future-proof.

This. If the freaking laptop I bought over a year ago is as powerful as your 'next gen' console, you're doing something wrong...

Out of all the things to pick on...RAM? Really?

Why can't people understand that consoles don't run massive operating systems with countless processes running in the background? And even then, the only way I can genuinely finish all 8GB RAM on my PC is if I simultaneously run 2 games at the same time while having Adobe Photoshop and Adobe Premier loaded with projects. Yeah, I don't think a console is going to be doing that.

But it's going to be running three freaking operating systems at once and you can supposedly 'instantly' switch between all of them...

Plus games are only going to get more RAM (and everything else) hungry this generation.

But anyway, you do have a point, there are much more pressing things to ***** about discuss. Like having to pay to attach a game to more than one account. Da fuck? That would be like if a CD I owned could only be put in one iTunes library, or something :|

The console will have 8Gb of DDR3 RAM, however it has been confirmed that 3.5Gb of that RAM will be dedicated to the operating systems, so in reality the system only has 4.5Gb of usable system memory for games and applications. Compare that to the PS4's 8Gb of GDDR5 RAM, which is actually graphics card memory, there's no competition. Hell you can see by avatar that I love Microsoft, but this is just a mess.

 

[Rene Beck]

I wanted to cheer up. I wanted to be a happy Next-Gen X-Box User since I am since day 1, first 10 minutes of the original Box. I fighted for it in the forefield after Sony had done a bad presentation but revealed extremely powerful hardware. And now... I can only cry for what was concepted by MS

Will they hear all the voices that want and demand a completely different kind of console. Not a voice controlled TV-Set in the looks of a 70´s VCR?

Do not forget that Adam Orth had 10000s of gamers blowing him a storm in his face just for saying "Deal with it". Did MS care? NOPE! (I see his statements in another light - well kind of. He just said the truth that nobody wanted to hear - with a little wrong words)

This discussion is going on for months now and MS had enough time to change their plans... Did they care? NOPE!

Im pretty sure that they cant change back even if they want to, because the architecture of the console is too complex to just change it. Anyway this system is in development for 8 years now and they missed to know what gamers want. On the other hand this is a multi-billion Dollar market. Not the one with us - We Gamers are the last in the chain.

Since this console will collect that much data it will generate billions of dollars from advertising concerns and surveys, cause it does the spy-job better than Google or any other survey insitute ever had. Who cares about 3000 or even 10000 or even 100.000 angry voices when they sold 76 million consoles of the 360? Even when they sell half of them from the ONE it will compensate triple from the above sources.

Hey that ONE can look into your living room, track your watching behavior, track if you stay or go during an advertise, track what you say, what you do, how your mood is today, even if your eyes are open or not - day and night - 24hours 365 days. That data is worth millions and billions - much more than there is to earn from some games. What do you think were e.g. these "Trending" informations come from? And you can´t turn it off - otherwise Kinect would not respond to your XBOX START command. In combination with your Windows based PC and SMARTGLASS they will be even able to track down your complete search behaviour, what you do, when you do and how and the best thing is you not only have to pay for the 1-time barriered games, but for XBL Gold as well.
Great concept! They got paid from both sides for spyware. THIS IS GOING A LOT TOO FAR!

But so I have very few hope left that they will change anything until the E3, except from inventing new ways to tell how to sell shit for gold.

Since I want a gaming console to play games and not a voice based TV-Set that even MalwareBytes cannot track down, I change over to a company who obviously had learned from the past and cares to satisfy the core. It started with Sony and it ends with it so it seems. The thing I will miss most is my beloved Forza, but I can live with it and I´m sure the big S. has also nice racing games in the pack.
They have a cloud too, they have a camera too (but able to turn off) they have better hardware specs, they have exclusives, they have a headset and they have multiscreen. Ok They do not have Halo... I can live with that too

 

[Colt47]

Every time I see news on the Xbox One I end up getting worked up and I severely envy Europe right now for the basic consumer protections their governments give them. The Xbox One is demonstrating everything wrong with the US industry right now and shows how businesses have dehumanized consumers to the point where we are all just things to be manipulated. At least in Europe and other countries there are basic protections to the consumer given by the government, but in the USA we are exploitable resources.

The fact it took the hammer to drop on our foot from a company putting every anti-consumer practice we despised into one product just to get a strong enough reaction shows how complacent people have become.

 

[devotedsniper]

The console will have 8Gb of DDR3 RAM, however it has been confirmed that 3.5Gb of that RAM will be dedicated to the operating systems, so in reality the system only has 4.5Gb of usable system memory for games and applications. Compare that to the PS4's 8Gb of GDDR5 RAM, which is actually graphics card memory, there's no competition. Hell you can see by avatar that I love Microsoft, but this is just a mess.

3.5GB is used by the OS? Really? Wow now that's just bad, my Win8 Pro with everything up and running that I use everyday (not inc games) only uses 2.2GB (and that's with a youtube video and second window open). I was expecting a max of 2GB going to it's OS (sorry, OS's), if it's using that much RAM i would have thought they'd chuck a few extra gig on to compensate, come on RAM is cheap now a days (cheaper when its just soldered straight to the motherboard, which this will do).

Granted a console will use less RAM in general than a PC but still I doubt I'm going to have to upgrade my 16GB for this generation any time soon.

 

[PrimitiveJudge]

I have a question. Now I know they said it was not backwards compatible, but what if you never once bought a CD, instead buy MSpoints and downloaded your games. Does that still apply to the rule or what? I know I should do some follow-up questions but I really cannot word them right now.

 

[Kinslayer7]

To be fair I'm not all that fussed they haven't revealed any decent games for launch. Launch games are almost always disappointing. I'm more interested in what games the console WILL be able to do in the future.

Backwards compatibility wasn't really suprising but if they can put your tv through the damn thing you'd think maybe they'd get your old games. What if I hooked my 360 to the HDMI in? Wishful thinking, I know.

The blu-ray (not exactly a suprise) but what are we talking here? I assume 3D blu-ray because why the hell would you not?

The 2nd hand thing... If MS were going to give me a better reason to stay on the current generation they'd have to try hard. I can understand the logic. The 2nd hand market is big bucks.

Depending on the price this may hurt or hinder us as gamers. Notice how the stores rip you off for your old games? Well if they can't sell them for much due to the extra price consumers will have to pay to play them in the end it hurts the stores, we'll get games for (hopefully) about the same price total and some money will at least make it back to the developers.

All-in-all I have to wait for E3 to find out what's what. It will also be interesting to find out what MS have in store for the regular 360