XboxONE Criticisms...System, Gamers, and Media

[Brockyman]

I really don't know where to start... I'll just jump in with things I saw and hated from across the board

"They didn't show any games" - Gamers and Media
Well, if you follow the media enough to know this event happened, you know that Microsoft stated that E3 (you know the GAME EXPO) was going to be the showcase of the game content. It wasn't a surprise! This was the unveil and showing the audience the other things it can do with movies, tv, skype, ect.

"TV, TV, TV, TV, TV, TV.....We don't/care about this stuff" - Gamers and Media
They have to show these features to market to the wider audience. Families that may can only afford one console may like the media integration when making the purchasing decision. The PS4 doesn't seem to do all this and the Wii U is a joke. Moms, Dads, Boyfriend/Girlfriends or husbands/wives that don't play games also have something for them. I also liked the features to quickly change from a game to a movie, the fact it can save where I left off kind of like the iPad or iPhone does, run multiple apps, and that I can watch TV or skype while waiting for an online match.

Gamers with the "entitlement mentality" seem to hate inclusion of casual people. We saw it with the Wii. All we needed was someone to make fun of a woman or a homosexual and the worst of gaming would have been displayed all at once.

"Always online" - Gamers and Media.... and Microsoft for not making clear
First off, my personal opinions is that it shouldn't be always online. Not everyone has awesome internet available and DRM sucks (I'll get to that later)

There really isn't a solid answer to this question yet, so it seems there is a lot of anger with no substance. Some Microsoft reps have said its not always on, and some have said it checks in every 24 hours. However both of these answers are still better then what we had feared. It WON'T have to be always online to play games. The 24 hour check could be to check for firmware updates and such...It wasn't laid out that it "had to check in to work". Let's wait and see before getting all pissed off.

"You have to plug in the Kinect" - Gamers
So......freakin....what?! This is the weakest, stupidest criticism of the day. It comes with it! You don't have to buy anything extra. You don't need the whole living room anymore AND the voice controls are cool feature. Grow up and stop bitching

"Pre Played Fees and Installs" - Mircrosoft
This is the area Microsoft really really really screwed up the most! I understand the underlying point that once you install the game on the system, the disc isn't needed, and they want to prevent people from buying once copy and handing it off to 50 people for free. That makes sense... and if someone did that it would be piracy.
However, the issue is that people who may want to borrow a game from a friend, rent it or buy it used.
Honestly, all they need to do is follow the what it does with games installs already! IT REQUIRES THE DISC TO PLAY!!! Easy. Freakin. Fix! This way the used game and rental market is safe.
I know the first comment will be "its to kill the used game market", and honestly, it may be. I'm sure EA and other publishers and developers are pushing for it. Microsoft needs to tell them no. Plain as day.

I welcome thoughts and comments. Please keep it mature. I respect the opinions of everyone (with a brain).

 

[Anathrax]

Kinect
I refuse to believe that Kinect will work as well as it needs to be to become a primary input. One skype call of some motionless dude using "Attach->Fat bottom->Sofa" barely convinced me.
Used game sales
What a load of crap really. Why should the game be installed on the harddrive? A 500GB hard drive I might add, and as Yahtzee put it, 1GB is a comparatively small storage unit currently. Besides, just make the friggen game run if you have the friggen disc, as you have already said.
TV
Riddle me this Batman. Why would I need to -as many people before me have pointed out- turn on my TV, then turn on my Xbone, then turn on whatever TV function it has, rather than just turn on my TV? It's completely pointless and I've heard Smart TVs can do the same function.
The "games"
I couldn't bother with the sports games. Not a problem. The problem is Quantum Break. Something that sparked my interest then shut it down with that god awful trailer. 45 seconds of horrid live action scenes, then a 15 second reel of what I expected the second I saw the live action series. Shot of a protagonist falling/landing on a floor, an explosion/catastrophe, a dead enemy and finally the logo, I guessed it had something to do with broken glass since the game had "break" in the title.

 

[JenSeven]

Kinect
TV
Riddle me this Batman. Why would I need to -as many people before me have pointed out- turn on my TV, then turn on my Xbone, then turn on whatever TV function it has, rather than just turn on my TV? It's completely pointless and I've heard Smart TVs can do the same function.

Not only that, the XBone needs to be linked to a TV Tuner/cable box in order for this to work. It won't replace the TV Tuner/Cable Box, it just forwards it. You need to have both. The XBone cannot receive a TV signal in any way possible, except through the wireless network (something the 360 already can do).
The XBone is in this case a glorified motion controlled remote.

 

[Vegosiux]

"You have to plug in the Kinect" - Gamers
So......freakin....what?! This is the weakest, stupidest criticism of the day. It comes with it! You don't have to buy anything extra. You don't need the whole living room anymore AND the voice controls are cool feature. Grow up and stop bitching

You know, you don't seem to understand the fundamental meaning of "do not want". Say you were selling me a hamburger, and you were, out of your magnanimity, including free, top quality dog turd on it. It's a great dog turd, it's proven to actually taste nice, it won't make me sick, and it will enhance my experience of the burger.

But guess what? I still don't want a bloody piece of dog shit on my burger, even if it cures cancer, I don't want it.

 

[Brockyman]

"You have to plug in the Kinect" - Gamers
So......freakin....what?! This is the weakest, stupidest criticism of the day. It comes with it! You don't have to buy anything extra. You don't need the whole living room anymore AND the voice controls are cool feature. Grow up and stop bitching

You know, you don't seem to understand the fundamental meaning of "do not want". Say you were selling me a hamburger, and you were, out of your magnanimity, including free, top quality dog turd on it. It's a great dog turd, it's proven to actually taste nice, it won't make me sick, and it will enhance my experience of the burger.

But guess what? I still don't want a bloody piece of dog shit on my burger, even if it cures cancer, I don't want it.

Thank you for proving my point with that labored analogy... and ignoring the "mature" request all at the same time. If you had said an actual food product(mustard, onions, pickles) and not a dog turd then I'd be a bit more gracious for making a solid point, and would be more impressed with your rationality.

To respond, it's still a weak argument to hate a console for that reason, especially since I know it stems from a hatred of hardcore gamers to the idea of motion controls... I know your use of "dog turd" was probably a shot at the sensor.

Again it kinda shows the entitlement I spoke of. The Kinect and its voice and motion features are desired features for many people and is a selling point to many. They shouldn't tailor the system to just meet your needs. I know some people will agree with you and that's fine. I respect the opinion to a point. But why should I lose something I want so you don't get something you don't want. If i want a pickle on my burger, it shouldn't be denied me because you didn't.

It would be like buying a computer... the majority of consumer computers come with a keyboard and mouse standard with purchase. You may already own a kick ass wireless gaming mouse and keyboard and don't need the inclusions, but you don't say "I don't want your computer b/c it includes things I don't need. I know its not a perfect analogy, but since we are dealing with imperfect analogies all around, I'll use it.

Plus, if dog turds cured cancer, there would be a huge dog turd hamburger market!

 

[Total LOLige]

I like all this intergration shit, get the Barclays Premier League on there Microsoft and we've got a deal, fuck NFL and NBA. Give me gold for free and you've got a deal, otherwise do one Microsoft. As for the DRM, I only need one form of DRM in my life and that's Steam(fucking steam). This Microsoft DRM plan is essentially no different to Steam, so we can't complain about it unless we lynch Valve also. However if Microsoft charge for games dirt cheap like Valve we again have got ourselves a deal. I'm not sure if I'm getting any next gen console yet, maybe I'll get a new hobby like...knitting. Bummed that the original Kinect may not be compatiable, what the actual fuck? Selling me a prototype for retail price, dick move.


EDIT: Does anyone know if the use of Kinect intergration is mandatory? That could be problematic if you are mute. Voice commands would piss me off after a bit, I feel like a right prick talking to a machine(Kinect remind anyone else of Johnny Five?). Also, what if Kinect is just a device to mine data, recording our every move(even when Xbone is off) sending shit back to Microsoft so they can target us with ads(like Futurama's dream ads) creepy. Not like Microsoft doesn't already know everything about me, thanks to Facebook and Twitter.

 

[Brockyman]

Kinect
I refuse to believe that Kinect will work as well as it needs to be to become a primary input. One skype call of some motionless dude using "Attach->Fat bottom->Sofa" barely convinced me.
Used game sales
What a load of crap really. Why should the game be installed on the harddrive? A 500GB hard drive I might add, and as Yahtzee put it, 1GB is a comparatively small storage unit currently. Besides, just make the friggen game run if you have the friggen disc, as you have already said.
TV
Riddle me this Batman. Why would I need to -as many people before me have pointed out- turn on my TV, then turn on my Xbone, then turn on whatever TV function it has, rather than just turn on my TV? It's completely pointless and I've heard Smart TVs can do the same function.
The "games"
I couldn't bother with the sports games. Not a problem. The problem is Quantum Break. Something that sparked my interest then shut it down with that god awful trailer. 45 seconds of horrid live action scenes, then a 15 second reel of what I expected the second I saw the live action series. Shot of a protagonist falling/landing on a floor, an explosion/catastrophe, a dead enemy and finally the logo, I guessed it had something to do with broken glass since the game had "break" in the title.

Kincet - No need to make fun of the fat dude to make the point. Personally I like voice commands, which work with my current Kinect (hit or miss at the moment) but I think it's improved a lot. Many journalist who tried it after the event were impressed.

Used Games. - We agree. I do like installing b/c it does seem to run faster, and I delete when I'm done, but we still agree on the main point

TV - I was actually interested in the TV function, as would many OTHER people. YOU may not, but others do, like the casual audience and non gamers. What you're forgetting is that a lot of people have to turn on the TV, AND a set top box, which the Xone is suppose to replace or at least pair with to where you don't need to bother with both.
Also, many people don't have a Smart TV, and the ones I've seen displayed have been so-so. IF (and i stress if) the Xone works as well as demonstrated, it beats any Smart TV I've seen in person.

Plus I personally think the feature where you could switch effortlessly between a blu ray, tv, game, ect without your TV remote or inputs is interesting. I also like voice commands and search. We are just different people, but don't criticise the whole console for the features you don't like and don't hurt the overall game experience.

Games - Yeah, the trailer was a disappointment, but I think E3 will have some pretty good stuff

 

[Vegosiux]

Thank you for proving my point with that labored analogy... and ignoring the "mature" request all at the same time.

I'm sorry, you see, after your comment of

"So......freakin....what?! This is the weakest, stupidest criticism of the day. It comes with it! You don't have to buy anything extra. You don't need the whole living room anymore AND the voice controls are cool feature. Grow up and stop bitching"

I assumed that you meant "mature" as in "spouting profanity and belittling other people because that's totally what mature adults do".

If you had said an actual food product(mustard, onions, pickles) and not a dog turd then I'd be a bit more gracious for making a solid point, and would be more impressed with your rationality.

No, you would not, you'd simply have found something else to be smugly superior about.

To respond, it's still a weak argument to hate a console for that reason, especially since I know it stems from a hatred of hardcore gamers to the idea of motion controls... I know your use of "dog turd" was probably a shot at the sensor.

It was a shot at all the tacked-on junk all my other peripherals can do and do better, all that junk I already own and feel cranky about being included in a price tag of another thing I don't even need to do all that junk with.

Again it kinda shows the entitlement I spoke of.

I think my friend Inigo Montoya would like to say something about that word you keep using.

The Kinect and its voice and motion features are desired features for many people and is a selling point to many. They shouldn't tailor the system to just meet your needs. I know some people will agree with you and that's fine. I respect the opinion to a point.

I'm sorry, but I have not seen an "R" of "respect" in your OP. Also, I accept that whatever they want to tack on is their prerogative, but if they think they'll gain two customers for one they alienated with it, it's their problem to deal with if it backfires.

But why should I lose something I want so you don't get something you don't want. If i want a pickle on my burger, it shouldn't be denied me because you didn't.

After your rant about "entitlement" earlier, I only have one comment on this one: Stones and glass houses.

If I can buy a pickle-less burger for the price of your burger, minus the cost of the pickle, then fine. But I don't see that here.

It would be like buying a computer... the majority of consumer computers come with a keyboard and mouse standard with purchase.

I'm sorry, what? Not where I live. Citation needed.

You may already own a kick ass wireless gaming mouse and keyboard and don't need the inclusions, but you don't say "I don't want your computer b/c it includes things I don't need. I know its not a perfect analogy, but since we are dealing with imperfect analogies all around, I'll use it.

At least I can sell off the new M&K to someone else without them having to pay for the license to use them and I can use the old M&K with the new setup.

 

[Brockyman]

I like all this intergration shit, get the Barclays Premier League on there Microsoft and we've got a deal, fuck NFL and NBA. Give me gold for free and you've got a deal, otherwise do one Microsoft. As for the DRM, I only need one form of DRM in my life and that's Steam(fucking steam). This Microsoft DRM plan is essentially no different to Steam, so we can't complain about it unless we lynch Valve also. However if Microsoft charge for games dirt cheap like Valve we again have got ourselves a deal. I'm not sure if I'm getting any next gen console yet, maybe I'll get a new hobby like...knitting. Bummed that the original Kinect may not be compatiable, what the actual fuck? Selling me a prototype for retail price, dick move.

Agree on the pricing of Kinect. At least the Xone comes with one free

I forgot about Steam. Good point. Microsoft needs to run more sales and give us neat hats, lol.

There are more people in the (US) market that like the NFL and NBA (and college sports, NHL, NASCAR, Arena Football, High School Football, ect) over Soccer. HOWEVER I'm sure that a Premier League feature could (and probably will) be added in the future.

Knitting sucks, try weaving, that's where the fun is...

 

[Vegosiux]

Agree on the pricing of Kinect. At least the Xone comes with one free

It doesn't. Kinect is included in the price tag. It's not a "bonus" feature, it's not added as a free feature, it's a feature you pay for when you buy the Xbox.

 

[Anathrax]

Kincet - No need to make fun of the fat dude to make the point. Personally I like voice commands, which work with my current Kinect (hit or miss at the moment) but I think it's improved a lot. Many journalist who tried it after the event were impressed.

Every arse I mention is a fat one. And that lad wasn't even fat, I think I'm a bit... wider than him.

I'm still not convinced until I hear it from someone who I trust their opinion.

 

[Brockyman]

Thank you for proving my point with that labored analogy... and ignoring the "mature" request all at the same time.

I'm sorry, you see, after your comment of

"So......freakin....what?! This is the weakest, stupidest criticism of the day. It comes with it! You don't have to buy anything extra. You don't need the whole living room anymore AND the voice controls are cool feature. Grow up and stop bitching"

I assumed that you meant "mature" as in "spouting profanity and belittling other people because that's totally what mature adults do".

If you had said an actual food product(mustard, onions, pickles) and not a dog turd then I'd be a bit more gracious for making a solid point, and would be more impressed with your rationality.

No, you would not, you'd simply have found something else to be smugly superior about.

To respond, it's still a weak argument to hate a console for that reason, especially since I know it stems from a hatred of hardcore gamers to the idea of motion controls... I know your use of "dog turd" was probably a shot at the sensor.

It was a shot at all the tacked-on junk all my other peripherals can do and do better, all that junk I already own and feel cranky about being included in a price tag of another thing I don't even need to do all that junk with.

Again it kinda shows the entitlement I spoke of.

I think my friend Inigo Montoya would like to say something about that word you keep using.

The Kinect and its voice and motion features are desired features for many people and is a selling point to many. They shouldn't tailor the system to just meet your needs. I know some people will agree with you and that's fine. I respect the opinion to a point.

I'm sorry, but I have not seen an "R" of "respect" in your OP.

But why should I lose something I want so you don't get something you don't want. If i want a pickle on my burger, it shouldn't be denied me because you didn't.

After your rant about "entitlement" earlier, I only have one comment on this one: Stones and glass houses.

If I can buy a pickle-less burger for the price of your burger, minus the cost of the pickle, then fine. But I don't see that here.

It would be like buying a computer... the majority of consumer computers come with a keyboard and mouse standard with purchase.

I'm sorry, what? Not where I live. Citation needed.

You may already own a kick ass wireless gaming mouse and keyboard and don't need the inclusions, but you don't say "I don't want your computer b/c it includes things I don't need. I know its not a perfect analogy, but since we are dealing with imperfect analogies all around, I'll use it.

At least I can sell off the new M&K to someone else without them having to pay for the license to use them and I can use the old M&K with the new setup.

I'll be the first to admit I don't have a lot of experience using the quote functions on this site, so bear with me as I try to respond.

-One cuss word isn't "spouting profanity" (I did use kick ass in the response, but it wasn't directed at a person)
-Saying "get over it" isn't as immature as dog turds and using cancer as a reference
-It is a weak argument
-What other "junk" are you referring to that you own that tracks motion and voice commands that works with a 360?
-Entitlement - In a casual sense, the term "entitlement" refers to a notion or belief that one (or oneself) is deserving of some particular reward or benefit[1]?if given without deeper legal or principled cause, the term is often given with pejorative connotation (e.g. a "sense of entitlement"). I know what it means
-Yeah, I was smugly superior about the turd... although not losing any sleep about it
-I have no clue where you live, but most consumer PC Desktops (Dell, Gateway, Acer, HP, Leveno) purchased from consumer stores like Best Buy, Walmart, ect, come with a mouse and a keyboard included. I looked at serveral online to fact check myself and I can't post all those links.
-You have me on the license for the M&K, but there was a day that wasn't possible when technology improved. the Xone will use a different wireless tech then the 360 controllers. No one bithced about the PS4 not using PS3 controllers... well, they may have but not as loud.

 

[Cooperblack]

Not made by me, But awesome.

 

[Brockyman]

Agree on the pricing of Kinect. At least the Xone comes with one free

It doesn't. Kinect is included in the price tag. It's not a "bonus" feature, it's not added as a free feature, it's a feature you pay for when you buy the Xbox.

The context of the conversation that was taken from was that the guy bought his Kinect as a separate addition, where the Xone will have it as an included controller. The ones they include with PS3 and 360 run about $60 retail, so about 20-25 to produce. Also they usually lose money on a new hardware when debuted and make money on the games, so there's no telling how much is included in the price tag

Also in that post, I sympathaised and agreed with him about the cost of Kinect 1. I wasn't unhappy with mine, just mainly use it for voice commands and gestures, not the get up and play games.

 

[Brockyman]

Not made by me, But awesome.

It's the perfect example of everything I wrote about. Someone made this graphic about 24 hours after the debut, with a lot of speculation. A lot can/will change between now and when its released. If its launched, and these things are still part of it, then let the griping commence and DON'T BUY IT. But let's wait and see. Get the facts first. If we don't like it, act like mature adults and let Microsoft know in a civil way we don't like this, and they will either change or we won't buy it. Give it time.

Pretty funny graphic thought... lol

Someone needs to do this with Angry Hitler...if they haven't already... lol

 

[Total LOLige]

Not made by me, But awesome.

Thanks, I've never seen Se7en but now I know Brad Pitt shoots Kevin Spacey. Se7en might be nearly 18 years old but it still needs to be spoilered. Even if that gif was hilarious.

 

[Cooperblack]

Not made by me, But awesome.

It's the perfect example of everything I wrote about. Someone made this graphic about 24 hours after the debut, with a lot of speculation. A lot can/will change between now and when its released. If its launched, and these things are still part of it, then let the griping commence and DON'T BUY IT. But let's wait and see. Get the facts first. If we don't like it, act like mature adults and let Microsoft know in a civil way we don't like this, and they will either change or we won't buy it. Give it time.

Pretty funny graphic thought... lol

Someone needs to do this with Angry Hitler...if they haven't already... lol

Except the fact that all the information in the gif is from Kotaku's interview with Don Mattrick and others, Why would Microsoft go out and announce such things if they weren't sure about it??

 

[Vegosiux]

-One cuss word isn't "spouting profanity" (I did use kick ass in the response, but it wasn't directed at a person)
-Saying "get over it" isn't as immature as dog turds and using cancer as a reference
-It is a weak argument
-What other "junk" are you referring to that you own that tracks motion and voice commands that works with a 360?
-Entitlement - In a casual sense, the term "entitlement" refers to a notion or belief that one (or oneself) is deserving of some particular reward or benefit[1]?if given without deeper legal or principled cause, the term is often given with pejorative connotation (e.g. a "sense of entitlement"). I know what it means
-Yeah, I was smugly superior about the turd... although not losing any sleep about it
-I have no clue where you live, but most consumer PC Desktops (Dell, Gateway, Acer, HP, Leveno) purchased from consumer stores like Best Buy, Walmart, ect, come with a mouse and a keyboard included. I looked at serveral online to fact check myself and I can't post all those links.
-You have me on the license for the M&K, but there was a day that wasn't possible when technology improved. the Xone will use a different wireless tech then the 360 controllers. No one bithced about the PS4 not using PS3 controllers... well, they may have but not as loud.

Alright, I'll just drop the entire nitpick about profanity and dog turds and stuff because I'm ashamed of even getting into it *mumble* Not my brightest moment.

Well, as for the "junk"...my TV (that I don't have, mind, but for the sake of the argument) wouldn't need an Xbox to do what it does. While the Xbox does need the TV for what it does. The Xbox needs the TV, the TV doesn't need the Xbox. And I see no practical value in adding more steps to the use of a TV, to make it "turn on TV, turn on Xbox, use Xbox for the TV" instead of "pick up remote, use remote for TV". Why'd I want to use Xbox if I just want to watch TV and my remote is right here?

And if they market for a family experience, yet their games are going as one license per user, will a family have to pay for as many licenses as there are people who want to play? That question was not answered, but the sensor sensitivity could well be used to make sure no "unauthorized" person has access to a feature they didn't themselves acquire a license for, and I do not even for a moment give the industry a benefit of doubt on this one.

I agree that no company has to cater to my specific needs, but no company should expect me to keep buying their stuff if I decide a competitor offers me better service. And with the usual practice in the gaming industry about how all bad business results are the fault of "pirates" or "customers simply not understanding how awesome our stuff is" and "customers feeling entitled to something other than what we offer them", well...I've grown jaded and cynical.

The computer thing I suppose is a regional thing, so not much of an argument there, because around here, I can buy a complete set, or not so I suppose that's good for me.

As far as backwards compatibility goes, though, I am no authority, but the general sentiment I get from my more tech-savvy acquanintances is that you have to go out of your way to exclude it, not to include it, because you're improving upon hardware that already exists, and it's more work to develop in a direction different enough to not be compatible than the direction already set, which would be compatible.

The context of the conversation that was taken from was that the guy bought his Kinect as a separate addition, where the Xone will have it as an included controller. The ones they include with PS3 and 360 run about $60 retail, so about 20-25 to produce. Also they usually lose money on a new hardware when debuted and make money on the games, so there's no telling how much is included in the price tag

Also in that post, I sympathaised and agreed with him about the cost of Kinect 1. I wasn't unhappy with mine, just mainly use it for voice commands and gestures, not the get up and play games.

Yes, consoles are usually sold at a loss, I agree. But the only way to speak of Kinect as a "bonus" would be if we had two versions of the console, and the one with it costing the same as the one without. Then Kinect indeed is an additional, "bonus" feature, that comes for free, that you don't pay extra for. As it is, we have no point of comparison.

 

[Genocidicles]

But why should I lose something I want so you don't get something you don't want. If i want a pickle on my burger, it shouldn't be denied me because you didn't.

Kinect is mandatory though. The console doesn't work without it. So people who don't like pickles are being given them and then being forced to eat them or they get their burger taken away.

Unrelated to Kinect:

Whether it's always online or only needs to check in 24 hours or so is irrelevent. If it relies on Microsoft's server for anything then the console will be worthless in ten years when they turn the servers off and brick the console.

 

[Gatx]

TV - I was actually interested in the TV function, as would many OTHER people. YOU may not, but others do, like the casual audience and non gamers. What you're forgetting is that a lot of people have to turn on the TV, AND a set top box, which the Xone is suppose to replace or at least pair with to where you don't need to bother with both.
Also, many people don't have a Smart TV, and the ones I've seen displayed have been so-so. IF (and i stress if) the Xone works as well as demonstrated, it beats any Smart TV I've seen in person.

Plus I personally think the feature where you could switch effortlessly between a blu ray, tv, game, ect without your TV remote or inputs is interesting. I also like voice commands and search. We are just different people, but don't criticise the whole console for the features you don't like and don't hurt the overall game experience.

Games - Yeah, the trailer was a disappointment, but I think E3 will have some pretty good stuff

I've only had satellite once a number of years ago and just have basic cable now so I don't have any additional boxes, but generally aren't they plugged into separate places? I mean it's convenient that you'd just use a controller for everything, but is it so hard to just put the controller down, pick up the remote and change inputs? Also as far as convenience goes, I can't imagine that inputting a channel is easier with a controller (d-pad and buttons) than it is with a remote (numpad) although other functions like searching channels for specific shows seems interesting.