My girlfriend gives you a big ol applause and i do as well. We've been trying to get that point across many a times but people don't like listening cause apparently Kratos shines so brightly that blinded by his brooding and whatnot-Stranger- said:
Yahtzee and God of War Clones?
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There was an interview of Kamiya by 1Up where they asked about other action/adventure games, the ones that you call ripoffs. Wanna know what he said about God of War? He didn't said it was a ripoff... He said it was an awesome game and one of the most polished action-adventure games ever. If the "victim" of the so called ripoff has nothing but good things to say about the (so called) derivative game, how is it that you preffer to take the higher moral ground?
With that said, some games are more transparent in their "inspirations" than others. Darksiders looks a lot like God of War in the begining because the combat focus on light and heavy attacks, with prompts and QTE to finish off enemies, although in the end it looks a lot more like Zelda or Soul Reaven. Dante's Inferno or Heavenly Sword are blatantly evident in their "inspiration", particularly because they take rather firm weapons (a sword or a schyte) and turning them into chained blades-like.
Bayonetta (and DMC) are different because the combat focus on a very extensive and varied list of combos, while the combos in God of War are somewhat limited, and not really that needed. Also, even when those games have puzzles, the amount and complexity is smaller than the ones in God of War.
With that said, some games are more transparent in their "inspirations" than others. Darksiders looks a lot like God of War in the begining because the combat focus on light and heavy attacks, with prompts and QTE to finish off enemies, although in the end it looks a lot more like Zelda or Soul Reaven. Dante's Inferno or Heavenly Sword are blatantly evident in their "inspiration", particularly because they take rather firm weapons (a sword or a schyte) and turning them into chained blades-like.
Bayonetta (and DMC) are different because the combat focus on a very extensive and varied list of combos, while the combos in God of War are somewhat limited, and not really that needed. Also, even when those games have puzzles, the amount and complexity is smaller than the ones in God of War.
No, you are not.Wilbot666 said:
Everything is a copy of the original 8bit Ninja Gaiden. The difficulty destroyed controllers it had fmv an industry first I believe before they decided to go with the secondary weapon pickups I heard they actually looked into a sword upgrade system but couldn't get it to work. As for the arcade version a Streets of rage style game I can't find when it was first released not even sure if it was released outside Japan before Ninja Gaiden Black was released.Bluesclues said:
Everyone must realize that yahtzee is just an entertainer, first of all. and will say anything that gets people to view hte videos or talk about him somewehre.
I find it kind of pretentious and snotty to keep saying, "rip off" every time another game comes out.
I find it kind of pretentious and snotty to keep saying, "rip off" every time another game comes out.
IlikeLolis said:
you're absolutely right, God of War WAS a shiny Devil May Cry clone, it even had to do with gods and demons, just a different set. The problem is that everything he keeps calling copying from God of war (especially the bit where he goes on and on about the red souls) was torn still beating from the chest of Devil May Cry . . .
However, since God of War is the newer one, it makes at least SOME sense to call them God of War Clones, since really, you're cloning the newer generation of it with the quick time events, Devil May Cry really didn't have any of those . . . unless they put some into 4, but it's been ages since I played that one.
I am honestly suprised no has said Dynasty Warriors... it too is a hack and slash game... if you don't believe me play it... played it yet... good... any way, I would have to say yes, games like Golden Axe, Ninja Gaidin<- don't know how to spell that... and many others for the first gen consoles started the beat'em up and hack'n'slash genra. Then games like Devil May Cry, God of War, Dynasty Warriors, and many others, have begun to refine the game play, not only in terms of look, but in the way they are played, and the way the stories in each game is told. And now the years of the next gen consoles has been upon us, and new games like Dantes Inferno, Bayonetta, and Darksiders are beginning to refine the genra more, giving us more enemies to chop down, and more ways to kill an enemy than ever before... so yes, most games have to pay the homage to the orriginals, lets not forget that they are new games with an old way of play.
Battle Toads is in the same boat as the Ninja Turltes, Ninja Gaiden, Streets of Rage, and arguably Castle Crashers games, so yeah, it pretty much fits in with the rest of the list. It's all hack and slash, with bits of adventure and punishing difficulty. Admittedly NG and Battle Toads have a good bit MORE of it though . . .Meangunns said:
I have played it, I owned several of the entries, and despite very, VERY similar game mechanics, I love them all. On reflection, though, I do see a very similar connection to the Musou series and GoW, although, admittedly, it's probably both games' connection to the side-scroll arcade beat-em-ups of the late 80's, just brought to a 3D platform.Valdric_gundam said:
Yeah I know, that's why I'm not trying to argue it, but I know most can agree with that idea (I think). I'm just saying that the retro games laid the groundwork, so people who argue that the more recent games are ripping off other recent games really shouldn't, because in this day and age everything is borrowing from something else.Hiphophippo said:
It's like the saying goes: If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Well yeah, like I was saying to another person, these days 1 thing has copied from another, to say that something (at least in gaming) is original is just naive. The 8-bit games of yesteryear already presented the idea, games of today have just taken it and revolutionized it, then copied it in several different forms to appease everyone's taste. So if you like killing Greek mythology, you've got God of War. You like killing demons? Devil May Cry. Angels AND Demons? Darksiders. You want to play as a witch? Bayonetta. And so on and so forth.era81 said:
I'm aware that Yahtzee's statement was a joke, albeit one in poor taste. If he didn't have a show on the Escapist, I don't think that most people would care so much.
Besides, if God of War ripped anyone off, it's Rygar: The Legendary Journeys, based upon the old 2-player Co-op arcade game, Rygar!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EmHOJOYwLA&feature=related
Besides, if God of War ripped anyone off, it's Rygar: The Legendary Journeys, based upon the old 2-player Co-op arcade game, Rygar!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EmHOJOYwLA&feature=related
God of war simply takes Devil May Cry's (released in 2001 to remind you) combat and adds some puzzles and wall climbing. Bayonetta, being made by Hideki Kamiya, the guy who made Devil May Cry should not and could not be considered a God of War clone in that respect.A1 said:Sentox6 said:This.Guitarmasterx7 said:
Dante's Inferno is an obvious inheritor/ripoff of God of War (whichever interpretation you prefer). Likewise, Bayonetta derives heavily from DMC (as one would expect, with the same creator).
However, while they might all be third person games involving combat, the similarities end there. The FPS analogy is reasonable; Quake and Counter-Strike are both shooters, but lumping them all together is patently ridiculous.
I have a very definite opinion on which of the two archetypes requires (or allows for) much, much more skill to be exercised, but that's another matter
The similarities end there? That's not exactly true. I can actually see why Yahtzee would refer to Darksiders, Bayonetta, and Dante's Inferno as God of War ripoffs. They're all hack and slash action games and they all involve doing horrible things to mythological creatures. Darksiders is based on popular classic literature (albeit much MUCH more loosely), just like God of War. Bayonetta isn't directly based on any classic literature but does involve doing horrible things to mythological creatures, in this case angels as opposed to the demons in Darksiders. Bayonttea also has a tendency to finish off her enemies with QTEs, just like Kratos in God of War. And I've said this before but the degree to which the gameplay in Dante's Inferno mimics God of War is staggering.
I'm tired of any game that simply has 3rd person action being called a "God of War clone". God of war WAS NOT FUCKING FIRST. God of War simply ripped of Devil May Cry and no one ostracizes it for it. Yet any game that comes along and is a 3rd person action game is globally panned for being like God of War. Why does GoW get off the hook for copying it's combat from DMC?
And yes DMC copies it's ideas from the arcade brawlers of the 90s. However, it's focus is on style driven and combo focused combat - that's pretty much the whole point of the game - so I consider it to be the first of it's genre and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
if we really want to be nit-picky one could argue that God of War games are simply dramatically updated versions of games like Streets of Rage or the 8-bit Kung Fu on the NES.IlikeLolis said:
original ideas are few and far between. just look at hollywood ...
Technically God of War is a DMC clone. The original devil may cry really set up the guidelines for that sort of game.
AC10 said:God of war simply takes Devil May Cry's (released in 2001 to remind you) combat and adds some puzzles and wall climbing. Bayonetta, being made by Hideki Kamiya, the guy who made Devil May Cry should not and could not be considered a God of War clone in that respect.A1 said:Sentox6 said:This.Guitarmasterx7 said:
Dante's Inferno is an obvious inheritor/ripoff of God of War (whichever interpretation you prefer). Likewise, Bayonetta derives heavily from DMC (as one would expect, with the same creator).
However, while they might all be third person games involving combat, the similarities end there. The FPS analogy is reasonable; Quake and Counter-Strike are both shooters, but lumping them all together is patently ridiculous.
I have a very definite opinion on which of the two archetypes requires (or allows for) much, much more skill to be exercised, but that's another matter
The similarities end there? That's not exactly true. I can actually see why Yahtzee would refer to Darksiders, Bayonetta, and Dante's Inferno as God of War ripoffs. They're all hack and slash action games and they all involve doing horrible things to mythological creatures. Darksiders is based on popular classic literature (albeit much MUCH more loosely), just like God of War. Bayonetta isn't directly based on any classic literature but does involve doing horrible things to mythological creatures, in this case angels as opposed to the demons in Darksiders. Bayonttea also has a tendency to finish off her enemies with QTEs, just like Kratos in God of War. And I've said this before but the degree to which the gameplay in Dante's Inferno mimics God of War is staggering.
I'm tired of any game that simply has 3rd person action being called a "God of War clone". God of war WAS NOT FUCKING FIRST. God of War simply ripped of Devil May Cry and no one ostracizes it for it. Yet any game that comes along and is a 3rd person action game is globally panned for being like God of War. Why does GoW get off the hook for copying it's combat from DMC?
And yes DMC copies it's ideas from the arcade brawlers of the 90s. However, it's focus is on style driven and combo focused combat - that's pretty much the whole point of the game - so I consider it to be the first of it's genre and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Whoa. I think you're projecting a little there. I didn't even mention DMC in my post. And I'm not so sure if I agree with you about God of War actually ripping off DMC. If someone makes the decision to walk down a path it's pretty much incidental if someone else has already walked down the same path sometime before. Isn't that essentially what the idea of genre is about?
But regardless of the reasons or circumstances God of War may very well have done a lot of the same things that DMC did but it did them better. In at least some ways perhaps a lot better. Therefore for better or worse it became the Golden standard for it's genre. I know it may not be fair but then again life often isn't fair.
And now considering the complaints that Yahtzee has leveled against DMC4 and what we've seen of the upcoming God of War III, including the most recent in-game footage trailer, it seems kind of hard to argue that God of War is undeserving of such a title.
