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Joccaren

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If on vacation, fine, speak only your own language, but don't expect to get anywhere with it. If living in a primarily English speaking country,regardless of whether it is a melting pot country or not, and not speaking English is just short sighted and a little bit stupid, in fact, its even rude.

If I were to go to most countries in the world with a dominant language other than English, I would be expected to learn at least the fundamentals of this language. Its kind of like my trip to Paris a number of years back, there were my family and myself who went around and we tried to speak French to the French. While we weren't very good at it, people appreciated us at least trying and thus were generally friendly. However, on our trip around Paris, we came across a number of people who expected the French to speak English to them, even though they were in France, and didn't even bother trying to speak French. The French they tried to speak to were not happy and generally ignored them.
As long as someone makes an effort to speak English to me, I'm fine, expecting us to speak their language is rude.

When talking to others who speak your own language in a foreign country, I have little problem with it, especially if you are on vacation, however, if you plan on living there, it is polite to speak the language everyone else speaks. A number of people are innately suspicious when they here things being said they can't understand. Imagine walking down a street and hearing everyone whispering instead of talking. It would be odd, and you would wonder why they are doing it, and what they have to hide. It is very similar with people speaking foreign languages whilst living in a predominantly English country. People can not understand what you have to say, and thus some become suspicious.

Speaking in English whilst living in an English speaking country is polite, it allows those around you to understand what you are saying, shows at least some effort to try and understand those around you and an acceptance of their culture, and proves that you have nothing to hide to any who might become suspicious.
In countries where English is not the predominant language, these ideas apply, only for the dominant language rather than for English. If there are multiple dominant languages, then these ideas apply to all dominant languages, and people living in the country should make the effort to learn at least one of them, preferably the one that is more dominant around where they are living.

These are my views on the matter, and I feel they are reasonable. You should at least try to learn the language of the country you are living in, and in return for your effort, people in that country should encourage you and be thankful for you at least trying rather than putting you down for not speaking their language as well as they can well.
 

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chunkeymonke said:
Can someone please explain to me hwy it is a bad thing to expect people living in a country that predominantly speaks English to speak English? If I permanently move to France and expect everyone there to learn English instead of me learning French that would make me a bit of an asshole but if you do it in the U.S.A it's fine? Why is it wrong to want people to speak the language of the county they live in
Makes sense to me. After all, "When in Rome, do as the Romans do." I wouldn't go to Germany without some understanding of Deutsch, even if many German citizens as I've been told understand English.

If you live in America for any reason, even for general tourism, you should learn English in some capacity. In my humble opinion, I really detest catering to those folks who speak only Spanish, and having bilingual options in damn near everything I come across. If they're not willing to learn the language, yet make a living here, then I say they are rude ones. Not the other way around as some foolishly believe just because we are a nation of immigrants.

So are many other countries of the world.
 

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Jaime_Wolf said:
The Magical Hobo said:
The difference between English and American is mostly written ex) colour-color, aluminium-aluminum, etc.
The difference between American English and other Englishes can be immense. Compared to British English, there are countless differences in pronunciation, hundreds if not thousands of lexical differences (words that only exist on one side or the other or words that mean substantially different things in different places), and vast differences even in basic syntax. The differences aren't large enough to prevent mutual comprehensibility most of the time, but they're still quite large. And sometimes they are - try to find a recording of someone (ideally and older person) from the Shetland islands speaking English. The average English speaker will comprehend about every tenth word.

Other, smaller dialects of English (English spoken in places where it's a large minority language especially) often diverge even more.
To further our differences from Britains ways, we decided to retard the English language. Also our education system is atrocious...
 

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It's sad when people think this way, if they wanna speak the way or in the language they do then it's perfectly up to them. If they are speaking to people who are originally from America and don't stand any other languages though, then the foreigner should at least try to speak English.
 

HalfTangible

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I have no problem with someone speaking a foreign language here in america. Unless they expect me to understand.
 

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Confidingtripod said:
you do realise that they may be learning english, also the U.S.A is a mixed country, you were built from colony's from several countrys and remain with the languages associated, though those people might be choosing not to speak english too.
Yes and most of those other country's emigrants learned and now only speak english, I don't speak Norwegian or German for fuck sake. It's mostly that they just don't want to speak it to be honest, and some I assume can't but most can, they just do it for the FU factor (I know this from experience).And OP you should know better than to even post this, it's a waste of time.
 

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Grospoliner said:
I don't expect visitors to learn the local language. I expect citizens and residents to learn it though.
That. Times about a million. although honestly I would never visit another country if I could not speak at least a little bit of the local language.
 

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VanTesla said:
Jaime_Wolf said:
The Magical Hobo said:
The difference between English and American is mostly written ex) colour-color, aluminium-aluminum, etc.
The difference between American English and other Englishes can be immense. Compared to British English, there are countless differences in pronunciation, hundreds if not thousands of lexical differences (words that only exist on one side or the other or words that mean substantially different things in different places), and vast differences even in basic syntax. The differences aren't large enough to prevent mutual comprehensibility most of the time, but they're still quite large. And sometimes they are - try to find a recording of someone (ideally and older person) from the Shetland islands speaking English. The average English speaker will comprehend about every tenth word.

Other, smaller dialects of English (English spoken in places where it's a large minority language especially) often diverge even more.
To further our differences from Britains ways, we decided to retard the English language. Also our education system is atrocious...
I agree with the latter but did color really need the silent u?
 

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chunkeymonke said:
Can someone please explain to me hwy it is a bad thing to expect people living in a country that predominantly speaks English to speak English? If I permanently move to France and expect everyone there to learn English instead of me learning French that would make me a bit of an asshole but if you do it in the U.S.A it's fine? Why is it wrong to want people to speak the language of the county they live in
I dont really see how this is a hindrance on you. If someone comes to America and doesnt speak English, its their problem, and their choice.

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Dylan Kidd

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Because the U.S. is the only English speaking country with multiculturalism.

Yeah in Australia you get many people who can't speak English properly, many parents of my friends being apart of that group, and that's fine I mean it would help their lives if they bothered to learn it, but do what you want it's not hurting anyone.

It's just when my Maths C teacher uses the wrong words in the wrong context, and gives notes that just don't make sense. I think maybe he should put a little more effort into learning the finer points of the language, being that his job is literally communicating information.
 

orangeban

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Joccaren said:
If on vacation, fine, speak only your own language, but don't expect to get anywhere with it. If living in a primarily English speaking country,regardless of whether it is a melting pot country or not, and not speaking English is just short sighted and a little bit stupid, in fact, its even rude.
Well, it would be rude if they were specifically not learning the language just to rile your feathers. Really, what reason is there not to learn the language other than A) you can't/are trying really hard (as will be the case with most people) B) or you're one of those weird people who think they must not "dilute" their language or some crap.

I mean, it is practical to know the language of the country you're in, but it's also practical to exercise, doesn't mean we can force people to do it and it certainly doesn't mean we can't take offense at people not doing it.
 

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VanTesla said:
Jaime_Wolf said:
The Magical Hobo said:
The difference between English and American is mostly written ex) colour-color, aluminium-aluminum, etc.
The difference between American English and other Englishes can be immense. Compared to British English, there are countless differences in pronunciation, hundreds if not thousands of lexical differences (words that only exist on one side or the other or words that mean substantially different things in different places), and vast differences even in basic syntax. The differences aren't large enough to prevent mutual comprehensibility most of the time, but they're still quite large. And sometimes they are - try to find a recording of someone (ideally and older person) from the Shetland islands speaking English. The average English speaker will comprehend about every tenth word.

Other, smaller dialects of English (English spoken in places where it's a large minority language especially) often diverge even more.
To further our differences from Britains ways, we decided to retard the English language. Also our education system is atrocious...
We didn't decide to do anything. It's very rare that people can collectively decide to change anything about language other than orthography (which is relatively disjoint from the actual mechanisms of language - and most of the Webster's changes to orthography made the spelling more phonetic). Language change just happens and you can't really stop it or direct it, much as people inevitably like to try.

Regarding our education system, it's pretty much just as atrocious as it is anywhere else in the modern world (which is to say, admittedly, pretty atrocious). But it's a hell of a lot better than it's been in the past. If you look at actual statistics and experts, this becomes abundantly clear. Government and media have a vested interest in sensationalising this "crisis" in education, which leads to the sort of extreme dishonesty you see in most non-expert publications and media. Independent research almost universally shows an extremely strong trend toward better education over time and comparable rates of education between America and other industrialised nations.
 

VanTesla

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Jaime_Wolf said:
VanTesla said:
America does not have a single designated national language. Wbester's English is the most spoken language in America, but it is not considered by Gov't to be the nation single language. Most English speaking people have a hard time communicating with one another because of different subtle dialect changes if you go to certain states, communies, and ghettos. The education system in America makes things even more difficult by having such low standards in passing English as well.

English is my only language and I wish everyone spoke it, but that is what every national or ethnic group would want. The best thing to do is try to learn more about other languages and in the same time you can better your own.
Education in "English" has nothing to do with learning to speak the language. It's about rhetoric, reading comprehension, etc. And in those regards the American educational system is actually relatively good compared to the rest of the industrialised world (most of the tests suggesting otherwise are very clearly written to produce that result and most of the cited statistics about the poor quality of American education are presented in a very misleading fashion - some of the most popular statistics showing the lack of quality come from reports that, a few pages away, report the conclusion that American education is, contra popular opinions, surprisingly good).

Put simply: There are very, very few children who don't implicitly learn the rules English far better than any expert currently understands said rules. Most complaints about English-speakers not "knowing English" are actually complaints about people speaking different dialects, which has little to do with languages and a lot to do with attempts at socioeconomic domination through the language. There are no logical or linguistic reasons why any dialect would be less "proper", the only reasons are socioeconomic and have to do with the status of speakers of one dialect versus the status of speakers of another.
It may be when averaged out in all 50 states, but certain states have very low scores and many schools have been caught embellishing scores to gain more funding. The problem with U.S. schools is the inequality of education across states and counties.
 

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This is America.

Land of the Free, bro. People can talk however the hell they want.

Don't like it? Well you can get the hell back to England.
 

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darksomos said:
Simple bit of logic is answer to thread:
I really hope this poster is trolling, because that's terrible English :p

I don't know if a person living in a primarily English-speaking country should *have to* speak English, but it certainly disadvantages them if they can't...
 

orangeban

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DarkRyter said:
This is America.

Land of the Free, bro. People can talk however the hell they want.

Don't like it? Well you can get the hell back to England.
Hey now, England doesn't even have an official language, and yet we still don't make a big deal when the BBC (which is state funded) broadcasts shows in Gaelic. It's not a big deal see?
 

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Personally, I think it would be easy and convenient for everyone if foreigners who decide to live in America are required to speak English. It's the predominant language over here. Not saying they need to forget their native language, as our country was formed through the blending of multiple cultures.
 

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It shouldn't be a living requirement, only a job requirement, attached to work that needs easy communication. Someone who speaks German and makes their money off of a German website or something, who just wants to chill in America, shouldn't have to learn anything.
 

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VanTesla said:
Jaime_Wolf said:
VanTesla said:
America does not have a single designated national language. Wbester's English is the most spoken language in America, but it is not considered by Gov't to be the nation single language. Most English speaking people have a hard time communicating with one another because of different subtle dialect changes if you go to certain states, communies, and ghettos. The education system in America makes things even more difficult by having such low standards in passing English as well.

English is my only language and I wish everyone spoke it, but that is what every national or ethnic group would want. The best thing to do is try to learn more about other languages and in the same time you can better your own.
Education in "English" has nothing to do with learning to speak the language. It's about rhetoric, reading comprehension, etc. And in those regards the American educational system is actually relatively good compared to the rest of the industrialised world (most of the tests suggesting otherwise are very clearly written to produce that result and most of the cited statistics about the poor quality of American education are presented in a very misleading fashion - some of the most popular statistics showing the lack of quality come from reports that, a few pages away, report the conclusion that American education is, contra popular opinions, surprisingly good).

Put simply: There are very, very few children who don't implicitly learn the rules English far better than any expert currently understands said rules. Most complaints about English-speakers not "knowing English" are actually complaints about people speaking different dialects, which has little to do with languages and a lot to do with attempts at socioeconomic domination through the language. There are no logical or linguistic reasons why any dialect would be less "proper", the only reasons are socioeconomic and have to do with the status of speakers of one dialect versus the status of speakers of another.
It may be when averaged out in all 50 states, but certain states have very low scores and many schools have been caught embellishing scores to gain more funding. The problem with U.S. schools is the inequality of education across states and counties.
One of the largest problems however is the testing used. It's extraordinarily difficult to do mass testing for things like rhetorical ability. There are certainly problems and there are very, very definitely areas where education is particularly bad. I don't mean to suggest otherwise at all. However, when people suggest that American education is "broken" or "atrocious", that's mostly borne of the sort of misleading sensationalism mentioned above. And these inequalities and problems you mention are just as bad, often worse, in most other industrialised nations, so that isn't a problem unique to us either.

To reiterate, education could be a lot better, but it's pretty good when compared to the past and other nations.

(Speaking of education being pretty bad overall and English in particular, no nation with a majority of English speakers teaches English grammar that isn't more than a century out of date. This isn't too terrible since grammar is essentially just an attempt to explicitly understand something you implicitly know, but it still seems pretty unfortunate.)
 

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scorptatious said:
Personally, I think it would be easy and convenient for everyone if foreigners who decide to live in America are required to speak English. It's the predominant language over here. Not saying they need to forget their native language, as our country was formed through the blending of multiple cultures.
How would they advertise this law change? "Do something that may be very difficult for you or that you have no want to do. Hey, it doesn't affect any of us English speakers but it's good for you! We only repress your freedoms for your own good!" How very 1984