Must. Resist. Mentioning. Invincible spear.... Take that the way you will, as it's probably the way I meantAntidrall said:I'd kick down the doors to Asgard and give Odin a piece of my mind.
Bigot = actually putting thought into a subject matter, thinking out the possible motivations and reactions of two sides in typical sense. adding in disclaimers about exactly what assumptions are being made. Repeatedly saying that the 'problem' comes mainly from a small group of people and not everyone in a group, and trying to remain as civil as possible.Mischa87 said:Also, Galdon, you're a bigot, try to learn something for once instead of spouting your hatred for things you don't have the intellectual fortitude to understand
I've read your original post and while I don't completely agree with snowy, since if I'm honest, it's people who are always looking to argue and prove others wrong which give gay people a worse name (Sorry, he may not have meant it like that but that is how it has come across). But, he has some points:galdon2004 said:Snip..
Yeah that's not what I was trying to say at all;AnkaraTheFallen said:I've read your original post and while I don't completely agree with snowy, since if I'm honest, it's people who are always looking to argue and prove others wrong which give gay people a worse name (Sorry, he may not have meant it like that but that is how it has come across). But, he has some points:galdon2004 said:Snip..
1. You seem to claim that transgender people will have surgery to be the opposite sex not because they feel they should be the opposite sex, but because they feel they are submissive in the case of guy, or dominant in the case of girls. (I may have misread it, but that seems to be what was said) I'd just like to say that is nonsense if you did mean that, my gf is very dominant, but she doesn't want to be a guy.
Transgender people actually think they were born the wrong sex/gender/how ever you want to say it, it is ultimately that they feel they were in the wrong body for them.
2. You claim that they trick people into liking them, this isn't the case, many will tell people before anything happens, those that don't say do it for one of two reasons, either they don't feel the fact they were the opposite sex defines them or they think of it as they were always this sex (Since in their mind they were), Or it is because telling people they were the opposite sex can cause a lot of hatred, confusion or insults, it is in effect the same thing most gay people are worried about when they tell people.
But you may not have meant your post to say those and I could have misread, since I am fairly tired right now. If I have, sorry for wasting your time.
Yeah that's not what I was trying to say at all;AnkaraTheFallen said:I've read your original post and while I don't completely agree with snowy, since if I'm honest, it's people who are always looking to argue and prove others wrong which give gay people a worse name (Sorry, he may not have meant it like that but that is how it has come across). But, he has some points:galdon2004 said:Snip..
1. You seem to claim that transgender people will have surgery to be the opposite sex not because they feel they should be the opposite sex, but because they feel they are submissive in the case of guy, or dominant in the case of girls. (I may have misread it, but that seems to be what was said) I'd just like to say that is nonsense if you did mean that, my gf is very dominant, but she doesn't want to be a guy.
Transgender people actually think they were born the wrong sex/gender/how ever you want to say it, it is ultimately that they feel they were in the wrong body for them.
2. You claim that they trick people into liking them, this isn't the case, many will tell people before anything happens, those that don't say do it for one of two reasons, either they don't feel the fact they were the opposite sex defines them or they think of it as they were always this sex (Since in their mind they were), Or it is because telling people they were the opposite sex can cause a lot of hatred, confusion or insults, it is in effect the same thing most gay people are worried about when they tell people.
But you may not have meant your post to say those and I could have misread, since I am fairly tired right now. If I have, sorry for wasting your time.
Then, I am sorry for misunderstanding, I think I understand what you actually mean now.galdon2004 said:Yeah that's not what I was trying to say at all;AnkaraTheFallen said:I've read your original post and while I don't completely agree with snowy, since if I'm honest, it's people who are always looking to argue and prove others wrong which give gay people a worse name (Sorry, he may not have meant it like that but that is how it has come across). But, he has some points:galdon2004 said:Snip..
1. You seem to claim that transgender people will have surgery to be the opposite sex not because they feel they should be the opposite sex, but because they feel they are submissive in the case of guy, or dominant in the case of girls. (I may have misread it, but that seems to be what was said) I'd just like to say that is nonsense if you did mean that, my gf is very dominant, but she doesn't want to be a guy.
Transgender people actually think they were born the wrong sex/gender/how ever you want to say it, it is ultimately that they feel they were in the wrong body for them.
2. You claim that they trick people into liking them, this isn't the case, many will tell people before anything happens, those that don't say do it for one of two reasons, either they don't feel the fact they were the opposite sex defines them or they think of it as they were always this sex (Since in their mind they were), Or it is because telling people they were the opposite sex can cause a lot of hatred, confusion or insults, it is in effect the same thing most gay people are worried about when they tell people.
But you may not have meant your post to say those and I could have misread, since I am fairly tired right now. If I have, sorry for wasting your time.
For the first; I meant that the ideas of male/female in sexuality is psychological. for example 'she was the man' is a phrase that actually means 'she was dominant'. the correlation between gender and sub/dom is becoming outdated but in language still exists at this point.
the second, I have said at least 2-3 times now, and even stressed in the original post, that not all transsexuals do that. It was some small group of transsexuals that decided to lie, and it caused an over-reaction that caused a blanket hatred to be placed on the entire group.
I am getting the feeling the problem here is what MovieBob mentioned in the video 'Correctitude' that explaining the cause of one group's overreaction which is bad, is somehow considered the same as defending it or supporting it. the only thing I want to defend is the ability to say 'gender' without being screamed at for being some sort of bigoted hellspawn.
The last ten seconds of this:GrimHeaper said:What do you do now that you have woken up as the opposite gender?