"You can't love animal's if you're not a vegetarian"

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McMullen

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I think I was more upset by the rampant misuse of apostrophes in the OP. I mean, come on, it's one of the few rules in the English language that has few enough exceptions to count on one hand. It's gotta be one of the easiest to learn.

But yes, there are some vegetarians out there who believe incredibly stupid things about the consumption of meat. No, there's no moral reason to be vegetarian. No, that doesn't make all vegetarians stupid. It's a personal choice, and if it makes you feel better about yourself, then great. Just don't undo whatever morality points you feel you earned by turning it into an excuse to be a dickhead.
 

Sirisaxman

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This shit pisses me off. I LOVE my cat. In fact, I used to love both my cats, but the older guy had to be put down. He was suffering from a liver infection that led to kidney failure, had a feeding tube the last week of his life. If I saw this person in real life right now I would probably wind up in jail for assault.





Oh, BTW, I EAT MEAT, YUM!
 

Dimitriov

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*Sigh* Fine I will dignify this with a genuine and logical response. It is perhaps true that I can't love "animals" in an unqualified sense if I eat meat, and I do in fact eat meat. That is to say that I can't love every animal...

But, of course, that is a meaningless statement. No one loves EVERY animal: that's just silly.

There is, however, no reason that I can't love individual animals, or indeed even certain species of animals, as long as I don't eat them.


Personally, as much as I do love meat, I couldn't eat a cat... because I love teh kittehs!


... pretty much every other animal... well... I love them 'til the last bite! :D
 

Yopaz

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NinjaDeathSlap said:
The extreme to which they took that argument was idiotic. However, I would be lying if I said that it has never pissed me off how some people can gorge themselves silly on meat without a care in the world, but will recoil in disgust if they're ever told to do so much as pluck a chicken. I mean really, how hypocritical can you get? You want to be an omnivore? Be an omnivore. But don't then act like the farmer who has to cut Miss Piggy's throat in order to put yet another bacon roll in front of you is some kind of brute.
Well there's a major difference. The farmer is slaughtering an innocent farm animal that couldn't hurt a fly. I am eating meat that comes from a store, not an animal.

Jokes aside of course it's possible. I grew up on a farm and I genuinely loved those animals we had there. Over here most farmers care about their animals and do try to avoid causing them necessary pain. We never send animals off to the slaughter house in overloaded trucks, yes they are going to be killed once they reach their destination, but having them in pain for 6 hours while driving there is NOT OK. I love animals and I eat them. However I am not sure I would if I thought they were suffering before they turned into meat.

Also there's a difference between a cat that lounges in your bed and a cow you've never seen.
 

xPixelatedx

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Such an argument is basically working on the idea that we only eat things we hate or loathe.

Yeah, that's not how eating works.
 

CoL0sS

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So another "hoiler-than-thou" vegetarian spouts nonsense at meat eaters -_-

Don't you get it man ? I love it because I can eat it. I wouldn't take care of good 'ol Bessy that much if I couldn't imagine myself tasting all those delicious Bessy-burgers.
 

Olas

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Instead of coming up with am argument to refute this obviously illogical statement myself, I'll just imbed a video that I feel expresses my feelings on this subject quite well.

 

Shocksplicer

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Ginger768 said:
Tanis said:
That 'argument' is bad, and whoever makes it should feel bad.

We're animals, that eat meat.

It's part of our evolution, DEAL WIT IT!
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Part of our Evolution? is that a joke?...Tell me if it is i'm terrible on picking up on this stuff


You can survive without meat there's no necessity for it. The human race wouldn't end if we all became allergic to the stuff. We're omnivores, and since we live in a society that allows you to choose what you want to eat and both meat and other types of food are always available whether you eat meat or not is optional.
Actually it is part of our evolution. A big part of why our brains are as powerful as they are is because our progenitors ate red meat.
 

Lopende Paddo

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that would mean a cannibal couldn't love his tribesman, wife or children. which is just stupid.

He can but he just doesn't :p
 

DarkRawen

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NinjaDeathSlap said:
The extreme to which they took that argument was idiotic. However, I would be lying if I said that it has never pissed me off how some people can gorge themselves silly on meat without a care in the world, but will recoil in disgust if they're ever told to do so much as pluck a chicken. I mean really, how hypocritical can you get? You want to be an omnivore? Be an omnivore. But don't then act like the farmer who has to cut Miss Piggy's throat in order to put yet another bacon roll in front of you is some kind of brute.
I agree with you on this. People have a weird way of "loving" animals, considering how some are unable to touch an animal unless the difference between "cute pig" and bacon is clear, and they seem to throughly ignore any indication that the meat they are eating once was that cute little piggy.
Another problem is that while most people claim to love animals, few are actually able to put an animal down when it is necessary.
An example from real life: A deer crossed the road and got hit by a car, causing it to get severely hurt and it was clear it wouldn't make it. Someone I know arrived a few minutes later, and saw the people around it. When he asked them what they were going to do with it, they said they had called the vet to come kill it "humanely" with a shot, but it would take at least an hour for the vet to arrive. The person who told me this went into his car, and got a blunt instrument that I can't remember accurately what was, and killed the deer instantly, making it so that it wouldn't have to suffer for at least another hour. The people were shocked, even though it should have been obvious.

To love an animal shouldn't just require you to not eat their meat and not kill them, it should be to treat them well. Treating an animal well would require you to do your best so that it didn't suffer. I bet there's vegetarians that wouldn't have been able to kill that deer, or even suggest it, even thought it was clearly suffering and was going to die. It's the same with pets, my grandmother told me about someone who left their beloved dog on the mountain to starve, because it was either that or paying the vet to kill it (or taking care of it themselves). It was because it bit people it had to be put down. The reason my grandmother knew about this? That someone bragged about it, while saying they loved the dog so much.

I'm not saying that the meat industries treat animals as they should be, I'm saying that vegetarians that give an argument like the one in the OP should ask themselves whether they would be able to kill an animal if something like this would happen. A lot of the animal-lovers I know wouldn't be able to even think it.

But anyways, I believe you can love animals and still eat them when they're dead, the important thing is how they are treated while they are alive.
 

Jason Rayes

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This reminds me of a story I read about this extremist group who would not even eat vegetables, they would only eat rocks. They would raid green grocers with guns, liberate the fruit and veg, then set it free in the woods. There was an even more extreme group that splintered off that wouldn't even eat rocks, but they died of starvation. Hilariously, the agent they send to take care of the problem can turn anything into a lethal weapon. So he's killing them with ridiculous things like rolled up newspapers, toothpicks, cotton buds etc.

Edit: Found it, "Fruitcake and Veg" by Grant Morrison.
 

EeveeElectro

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I had a veggie friend who wouldn't stop making me feel bad for eating meat but loving animals. Then she'd use products that were tested on animals and eat gelatin sweets.
Or they'd brag they don't use products that have been tested on animals without realising just because the final product hasn't been tested on animals, doesn't mean the ingredients to make it haven't.

Anyway... I think there are animals for domestication, animals for eating and animals for clothing or materials. It's just the way life is right now. Meat is good, as long as you don't eat it in excess.
 

CrazyGirl17

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I dunno. I love animals, but I also enjoy eating meat (though I'd rather not see an animal before it gets killed...) To say that a person "can only love animals if they're a vegetarian" is pretty stupid...
 

saoirse13

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Its not natural to not want to get your teeth in a nice and bloody rare steak.... Vegetarians and vegans are just unnatural and therefore have no valid opionion in anything.

Hmmm I'm now in the mood for some steak for my sunday dinner, think i have some of stompy the bull left in the freezer.... he was one of my favourite bulls... tastes great too
 

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I'm starting to think we should start sponsoring more vegetarians [http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=sponsor]. Look, I've got no beef with vegetarians, but when they start cooking up fishy arguments like this it makes them look like a bunch of PETA-brainwashed sheep. Chickens.
 

Naeras

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That statement is so stupid. Agriculture kills animals as well.

Unless the person in question is making all their food in their own back yard, he's talking out of his ass in an attempt to attain moral superiority.