You ever feel like Origin is Steams' lil brother that was bashed in the head with a brick?

[snekadid]

I've basically hated it ever since I was forced to download and install it to play my Mass Effect 3 disk. Of course I'm not allowed to run my installed game unless I have origin running in the background too for no reason. It then went on to interrupt me with a message every time my internet connection went down while I was playing the singleplayer campaign. Thanks for doing that without asking or anything Origin.

I don't even care if it's a good store or what have you, anything that does this kind of crap isn't getting my money. Steam FTW I guess.

Every steam game also requires you to download the client and have it running in the background.

No, steam doesn't care if you lose internet connection while playing a game. Steam doesn't care if you shut down steam after launching the game. Steam doesn't care if you leave it in offline mode for weeks on end. Steam only requires you to be online to its servers when buying games from it and/or installing the games(which is done from their own servers).

Origin meanwhile is in the same category as GFWL, They are both cancers attached to games I would of wanted to play but won't because they are not worth the hassle of dealing with garbage.

 

[KillaBC]

I merely tolerate both services, they are resource using DRM running in the background. Both in my eyes are spyware. What's worse is that I play a lot of single player games, when I have my laptop in a place with no internet I cannot play any of my steam games. Which frustrates me to no end. I have to turn Steam off sometimes in order to get as much system resources to render stuff. If I don't turn it back on and I'm away from an internet connection I'm screwed.

That's why I love GOG, it just gives me the installer and lets me play games to my hearts content anywhere. It's also competitively priced which makes it even better.

 

[Atmos Duality]

I merely tolerate both services, they are resource using DRM running in the background. Both in my eyes are spyware. What's worse is that I play a lot of single player games, when I have my laptop in a place with no internet I cannot play any of my steam games. Which frustrates me to no end. I have to turn Steam off sometimes in order to get as much system resources to render stuff. If I don't turn it back on and I'm away from an internet connection I'm screwed.

That's my big problem with Steam. For all its convenience, perks and sales, it's still a DRM hitman holding a gun to my game library.

I don't use Origin, because Origin is owned by EA.
And I don't do any business with EA. Period.

 

[Saviordd1]

Origin works fine, in fact their cloud for savegames in every single game is a feature Steam should emulate, everything else, but the hour tracking and a decent way to backup the games, work flawlessly over here. People hate on it for free because it's EA.


PS - okay forgot another detail, their regional shop over here is complete bullshit, not sure about the US or UK ones. All of my Origin keys actually come from Amazon or Steam but barring that the service works well enough. Gifting, market and other extras would be nice but I barely use the store already might as well just give someone a code.

Yeah this.

It's not as great as Steam but its not horrible.

But of course EA made it and its cool to hate EA so...

 

[Saviordd1]

Yeah this.

It's not as great as Steam but its not horrible.

But of course EA made it and its cool to hate EA so...

You're saying "it's cool to hate EA" as if there aren't any real reasons to hate the motherfuckers.

They're idiots sure, not the villains that everyone and their mother make them out to be.

Everyone would rather say "Oh, EA ruined X company" instead of admitting their favorite company fucked up.

In the end EA is just another company, not that much worse or better than any other.

 

[ShinyCharizard]

I've basically hated it ever since I was forced to download and install it to play my Mass Effect 3 disk. Of course I'm not allowed to run my installed game unless I have origin running in the background too for no reason. It then went on to interrupt me with a message every time my internet connection went down while I was playing the singleplayer campaign. Thanks for doing that without asking or anything Origin.

I don't even care if it's a good store or what have you, anything that does this kind of crap isn't getting my money. Steam FTW I guess.

Every steam game also requires you to download the client and have it running in the background.

No, steam doesn't care if you lose internet connection while playing a game. Steam doesn't care if you shut down steam after launching the game. Steam doesn't care if you leave it in offline mode for weeks on end. Steam only requires you to be online to its servers when buying games from it and/or installing the games(which is done from their own servers).

Origin meanwhile is in the same category as GFWL, They are both cancers attached to games I would of wanted to play but won't because they are not worth the hassle of dealing with garbage.

You cannot shut down steam without first shutting down the game you launched using steam. In order to play your games you must have steam running. How is that different to origin?

 

[DarkArk]

Origin's download speeds are something fierce, nearly a full order of magnitude over what I get from Steam. Took 30 min to redownload Mass Effect 3 after the install got corrupted, which is insane. Steam never gets those download speeds.

Also Steam last night was being obscenely slow and buggy, and kept dropping items out of my cart. Never had that with Origin. Valve really does need to update their client, because it has become way too bloated.

 

[Olas]

Boy, I can't wait until every developer follows this route and I'm forced to have 7 separate clients installed at all times. Whoohoo for the PC master race.

Well you kinda already have to (or at least I have to).

However you paint it as if this is an unreasonable expectation. Why do you assume that all game clients that need some sort of online system for handling everything from updates to DLC will running using the same system?

I dont expect League of Legends to let me log in on their services over the steam client. Yes it is nice that some can play ball with each other, but to expect everyone to fall in line with one (esspecially when Valve is profiting hand over fist from it) is unreasonable.

Or they could just, you know, not require a client at all like I assumed they did. Why should a game I bought on disk from a store require a client to play? Even if it has online multiplayer? I own several older games with online multiplayer that never forced me to download some other useless side program to play. Why can't we go back to those days?
I bought Mass Effect 2 and all its DLC without ever needing to download Origin or any other stupid client, but for Mass Effect 3 I have to have Origin just to play the main game. This isn't progress, this is EA trying to bait me into it's bullshit system.

And for that manner, I don't think it's unreasonable for these different clients to make it so that their different online stores can be accessed by one another. Why does an online store need to have it's own installed software to be accessible? Why can't I buy Origin games through Steam, or vice versa? It's like if Internet Explorer only allowed you to search things with Bing, and Chrome only allowed you to use Google. (Origin is definitely Bing in this analogy)
If they're going to force this gimmicky client bullshit on us they can at least try and streamline it so that I can keep all my games in one place instead of just making more complicated for us.

 

[thespyisdead]

oddly enough i thought of this song when i read the title

OT: it's hard not to gang up on Origin, when steam does the shit better :/

 

[jpoon]

I would call it more the deformed, incest-bred retarded step son of the EA download manager and some corporate suit. little is there to like, but there's a shit-ton to dislike about it. I'm not a fan of EA though so my thoughts are pretty one sided.

I do have origin and I never use it because of how poor of a service it is and how few games are available on it that I'd actually want to play, I'll stick with the better service [steam, obviously] for the time being.

 

[Olas]

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Yeah, but you know getting the DLC for ME2 the game was registering to check up on your validity of the game. Are you telling me that isn't a service running?.

True, but that's still just an online service. I wasn't forced to download and install a program onto my computer and then have it running every time I played the game afterwards. And again, that was just because I chose to buy and download DLC for the game, which I didn't have to. ME3 makes you install Origin regardless.

Only difference is that Origin and steam collects this stuff in a single service rather than 1 for each individual game.

The page with the links to download the ME2 DLC also had ones for DragonAge 2 DLC, empty ones for ME3 DLC, and presumably any other Bioware game I chose to buy DLC for. If you've bought DLC for these games you know what I'm talking about.

https://social.bioware.com/user_entitlements.php

So they are capable of putting all your DLC in one convenient place without requiring client. I refuse to believe the only way for them to coordinate this stuff is for every user to download special software first.

I think there is a technical barrier here you dont seem to know about.

But like I said, they made it work before. I don't think this is a technical issue, I think it's a money issue disguised as a technical issue.

 

[Saviordd1]

Yeah this.

It's not as great as Steam but its not horrible.

But of course EA made it and its cool to hate EA so...

You're saying "it's cool to hate EA" as if there aren't any real reasons to hate the motherfuckers.

They're idiots sure, not the villains that everyone and their mother make them out to be.

Everyone would rather say "Oh, EA ruined X company" instead of admitting their favorite company fucked up.

In the end EA is just another company, not that much worse or better than any other.

Companies fuck up because of what EA demands from them. EA buys a company, milks them dry and then gives them the Old Yeller treatment. Watch Jimquisition about why people hate EA, you'll understand. Hopefully.

For one, don't get condescending.

For two, don't point to other peoples arguments to make your point.

For three, the community SAYS EA runs the companies dry, but the only instance notable is Westwood, and even then they shot themselves in the foot with C&C 4.

 

[RicoADF]

I've basically hated it ever since I was forced to download and install it to play my Mass Effect 3 disk. Of course I'm not allowed to run my installed game unless I have origin running in the background too for no reason. It then went on to interrupt me with a message every time my internet connection went down while I was playing the singleplayer campaign. Thanks for doing that without asking or anything Origin.

I don't even care if it's a good store or what have you, anything that does this kind of crap isn't getting my money. Steam FTW I guess.

Every steam game also requires you to download the client and have it running in the background.

No, steam doesn't care if you lose internet connection while playing a game. Steam doesn't care if you shut down steam after launching the game. Steam doesn't care if you leave it in offline mode for weeks on end. Steam only requires you to be online to its servers when buying games from it and/or installing the games(which is done from their own servers).

Origin meanwhile is in the same category as GFWL, They are both cancers attached to games I would of wanted to play but won't because they are not worth the hassle of dealing with garbage.

Both Origin and steam have working offline modes. I know, I had to use them late last year....
Their the same thing with a different coat of paint and a few differences in abilities. In the most important part they both run and install the games without issue. I have found Origin seems to be faster at downloading.

 

[Olas]

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So due you are arguing logging in through a browser and finding individual installations for DLC for individual games is easier than downloading a single piece of software handling this stuff? Usually that piece of software would just be incorporated in the game anyway if there isn't a distribution software available.

Logging in through Bioware's website may have been a little more work than logging into Origin. But here's the thing: I only had to do that once, just to download the DLC and then I was done for good. And if I hadn't bought any DLC for ME2, like most games I own, I wouldn't even have had to do that. I didn't need to log into something every time I wanted to play ME2. I could click on the ME2 icon on my desktop and it would start running. Presto. Simple.

How does having to open Origin and log into it every time I want to play something (even if I didn't buy any DLC) improve upon this in any way?

I haven't even gotten into the multiplayer aspect steam uses it for yet, but I think you are mistaking here.

But dude, I've been playing online multiplayer long before Origin or even Steam existed. I'm pretty sure I have at least 3 games on my PC right now with online multiplayer that have never needed a client. I don't remember ever thinking when playing these games that it would be better if I had to download and log into another program first.

There is also a massive support issue going on here where you have to guide player through to do stuff. If you cant keep control of a game being up to date due it being handle through a browser then you are increasing your workload. Not to mention registering this sort of stuff. There is way more to this than they just want to sell you games.

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by this, but aside from arguably making DLC slightly easier to download, I don't see how Origin serves any purpose for the consumer at all. And even this I feel could be done through a menu in the actual game. A game is a program just like Origin is a program. Anything that Origin does can be handled by the actual game itself. Again, clients are still a pretty recent affair, we lived without them for quite some time without any problems. I'm fine with them being optional, and mandatory if you bought the game through them. I just don't think they should ever be a requirement for people who don't want them.

Okay, Dreach, I have a question. What if I bought ME3 and don't have an internet connection? Because sometimes I really don't. Is there any way I could still install and play ME3? I don't care about multiplayer or DLC, I just want to play the campaign. You know what, I'm gonna try that right now. I'll disable my internet and try to install ME3 again.

update: I'm sure you'll be surprised to hear that the answer is no. I got as far as the Origin login screen and then I couldn't proceed because Origin needs you to be connected to the internet to log in for the first time.

 

[Olas]

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Both Origin and steam have working offline modes. I know, I had to use them late last year....
Their the same thing with a different coat of paint and a few differences in abilities. In the most important part they both run and install the games without issue. I have found Origin seems to be faster at downloading.

Origin's offline mode is kinda a joke. Aside from completely defeating any purpose Origin could have had in the first place it also restricts you from being able to install games from disk. One would think it wouldn't matter since you aren't downloading anything but apparently it does. I guess it's a DRM thing. But still, in offline mode Origin basically just becomes a drawbridge between you and the game you wish to play.

Also, you have to be logged in to Origin before you can access the option to turn on offline mode, and logging into Origin in online mode requires an internet connection. So you need internet access to turn offline mode on. Oh EA, you're so cute.