You people are insane....(Yet another rape thread)

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viranimus

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Trilligan said:
shrekfan246 said:

I would like to see a specific post on this website where somebody typed out the words "Well, she was asking for it! She shouldn't have been dressed like that!"

If you can't provide that simple request for me, then my only response is that gif.
Methinks this is the type of quote he had in mind

viranimus said:
Hirumakage said:
Ok, let me see if I'm understanding you. She had it coming? She went to a party to have fun and over did it. And because she passed out she should have expected to be raped or molested because that's what guys at parties do. Wow. And the sentence was light because of that? Are you serious? That's ridiculous! And then you say she's whining becasue she didnt get what she wanted? Yeah I think it's a little more than that.
No, your not. Because your inferring your own meaning from my words. Yes she has a hand of responsibility in this. But the reason the sentence is lighter is because they are still minors.

But yes she absolutely IS whining about not getting her way. She even said so.

"I'm at the point, that if I have to go to jail for my rights, I will do it. If they really feel it's necessary to throw me in jail for talking about what happened to me as opposed to throwing these boys in jail for what they did to me, then I don't understand justice"
There it is. She is clearly saying "I dont care what the courts, attys or even my parents agreed to. I dont like it, and I am going to do whatever I want about it."

Your trying to portray this girl as being devoid of responsibility for her actions. Why? Because shes a girl? That would be sexist as hell.

Because she is too young to know better? Considering that this girl was invariably exposed to drinking and partying likely starting around age 12 even if it wasnt herself, it was her friends telling her all about it . She had easily been exposed to what goes on at parties with alcohol for right about 5 years. She knew what risk she was running.

She knew the risks and possibilities of what might occur.

Given she was 17, had she gotten behind the wheel of a car and drove home in that condition? What if she someone had slammed into her killing them instantly. Even if it was clearly the other drivers fault. Even if she drove flawlessly. Would driving under the influence just be excused? Thats the problem of why she or MEs in general dont understand justice and why this is even a conversation at all. She took an action that put herself and potentially others at risk.

So are we really painting the image that this was a good ole country girl who had never been to a party with booze and teens screwing each other senseless, who goes to this party alone, gets quickly overwhelmed by her lack of tolerance and passes out and two horny guys just happen to find her passed out and start bending her around like a ragdoll? The likelihood of that is practically nonexistent. Yet we can never truly know what actually lead up to those events because any accounts from this event would be drenched in alcohol and likely other drugs.


So yes, she bears a bulk of the burden of responsibility because she put herself in that environment "to have fun"

You dont sit in the front row of a Gallagher show and expect to not come home covered in crushed fruit and other misc. crushable items. So too should you not go to a teenage highschool party and not be exposed to alcohol, drugs and kids fornicating.
Granted, not verbatim what you asked for, but the sentiment is the same. Victim is obviously at fault in this poster's mind.


No the sentiment most certainly is not there. You are incorrect and it is a failure of your comprehension. I was not involved in this thread nor is my views on the other thread relevant in this thread because its not even talking about the same thing.

If you dont understand what I said, how about not quoting me and taking me out of context as it relates to a completely different thread I was never involved in.

I never said she was asking for it. I said she bears part of the responsibility for her actions because she willingly went to a party where drugs/alcohol/sex were to be at. She got no "support" from her friends as she was drinking. she got herself drunk to the point of passing out. She made concsicous decisions that she bears responsibility for because this could have been avoided with actions on her part just as much as actions on the boys part.


Dont put words in my mouth. I have more than enough of my own.
 
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viranimus said:
Ouch, my brain
What?

Why should people bare responsibility for not breaking the law.

Goddamn, victim blaming is right up there on my list of fallacies that make my brain hurt.
 

viranimus

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Come off of it now. If were doing this and merge the other thread with this one Lets first dispose of the bullshit notion that this is some innocent naive little ole country girl who never did nuffin wrong in her life. That is not the girl in this story.

Lets then focus on the fact her legal guardians APPROVED of this agreement. Why? Because they knew their sweet innocent little angel is actually a drunken party girl and she pushed her luck too far and ended up paying for it. They KNEW they could not get a conviction. They KNEW there was no actual evidence and all witness testimony would be unreliable as being under the influence. they KNEW that if people started looking for evidence they would find more damning material on their daughter than the two boys who have been sentenced and are paying for their crime.


So, yeah if it hurts that much lets go ahead and release the two boys if they were under the influence at all because you know they didnt know what they were doing and shouldn't expect to be out of control just from drinking alcohol and doing drugs. Thats literally the logic being conveyed here.

Im not back peddling. There is an oceans worth of difference between a classic case of rape with evidence supporting the claim.... and the word of a drunken party girl who passed out and got groped and had not a problem in the world with it until the pictures surfaced. Its not related beause your using an argument built for a very specific case to try to justify what your saying for a wide berth of unrelated things.

At no time am I villainizing the victim. I am not defending rapists and you cannot show that I am defending rape. Only words you have miscontrued to mean support of rape.

Again you failed to understand me, Dont put the words you want to hear in my mouth.
 

viranimus

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Trilligan said:
I take only what is presented to me. If you don't want to appear to support rapists, don't support rapists.
Again you failed to understand me, Dont put the words you want to hear in my mouth.
Ok.. who exactly got raped?

Edit: and I "KNOW" these things because I have an understanding of the legal system. What sort of parent would accept an agreement that does not throw the book at criminals who victimised their daughter. Seriously we have a case of a man beating a pedo to death for fooling with his daughter with his bare hands, but you think another father would be "Oh, ok, a year in jail and a fine should cover it"

Seriously all your post does is further illustrates how you are applying your own context to my words.
 

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It's only a matter of time until the RSPCA jumps all over the escapist for all this horse beating.
 

viranimus

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Trilligan said:
viranimus said:
Trilligan said:
I take only what is presented to me. If you don't want to appear to support rapists, don't support rapists.
Again you failed to understand me, Dont put the words you want to hear in my mouth.
Ok.. who exactly got raped?
I believe in this particular case the girl's name is Savannah Dietrich
Really? cause last I checked she was sexually assaulted, not raped. You do fully realize those are not the same things, right?

That would go a long way to explaining why you have trouble differentiating between how I can say THIS girl has part of the blame to shoulder and still not justifying rape.

This is why I say you have no need to quote me. You dont understand what I am saying, and applying your own context and meaning to it.
 

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NO MR KITTY! That's a bad Mr Kitty! We've moved on from rape threads now. The current flavour of the month is gun control. Get with the times, yo.

And how has society forced you to make this thread? A thread full of points already covered by the billion other rape threads we've had over the last few weeks I might add.
 

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Rawne1980 said:


It's only a matter of time until the RSPCA jumps all over the escapist for all this horse beating.

Fiz_The_Toaster said:
I hope you'll forgive me for using your favorite image. :D

Anyway, I'm not sure I have anything else to add to this thread. It's just hurting my head...
 

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Jedoro said:
Also, if one's goal of provocative dress is to get raped, is it really rape?

You... you do know what rape is, correct? Just making sure. Or are you being sarcastic? Tell me you're being sarcastic.
 

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hazabaza1 said:
Jedoro said:
Also, if one's goal of provocative dress is to get raped, is it really rape?

You... you do know what rape is, correct? Just making sure. Or are you being sarcastic? Tell me you're being sarcastic.
Yes, I was being very sarcastic. I always forget it's hard to tell in text.
 

viranimus

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Trilligan said:
you are still trying to defend the indefensible.
No I am not, but your going to ignore that and infer your own meaning anyway, So Im going to reiderate that you are wrong, applying your own meaning to my words to paint me as supporting rape because you made the initial statement based on a misunderstanding of what I was talking about and are trying to force it to stick with what you originally said so you dont have to back peddle.

You just illustrated you dont even conceptualize the difference between rape, molestation and sexual assualt and your trying to promote the notion that all of those things should be treated the same when no two cases ever should be treated the same.

So Im done speaking on this. Ive explained my position as well as how your incorrect and misconstrued position on mine is wrong. Your welcome to continue trying to paint me in an evil light, but Im not adding more fodder for you to do so and it does not make my actual point less valid where it is actually applicable and does not apply it to all subjects unrelated.
 

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I think some people(ladies) need to look into rape prevention more often.
 

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shrekfan246 said:
Rawne1980 said:


It's only a matter of time until the RSPCA jumps all over the escapist for all this horse beating.

Fiz_The_Toaster said:
I hope you'll forgive me for using your favorite image. :D

Anyway, I'm not sure I have anything else to add to this thread. It's just hurting my head...
No problem bro! :D

Image must be shown whenever a dead horse thread is being beaten, and you picked up my slack. Well done!