You people are ridiculous

[Phlakes]

First of all, since this is a very important topic, yesterday I went to McDonald's (it was a moment of weakness, I'm sorry) and I ordered a burger. Then I asked about putting cheese on it. They said it costs an extra 99 cents. What. The. Fuck. To put something extra on my burger, I have to pay more? And the cheese was in the restaurant. I could see it in the kitchen from where I was standing. Sitting there, already made, and they want me to pay extra for them to just stick it on my burger? This is such shameless exploitation. McDonald's obviously hates all their customers and they're a plague on the restaurant society.

Second, please shut the fuck up about day one DLC. I think this is in order again-

Day one DLC is a developer working overtime. Do you deny that? They do more than is required for the main game (and before someone goes off about "ZOMG EA RIPPED CONTENT OUT OF THE GAME TO SELL IT BACK AS DLC BECAUSE THEY HATE THEIR CUSTOMERS", no, they didn't, you're paranoid and the only soft evidence we have for that, on either side, is the devs themselves, and I'll take their word over a horde of angry gamers any day).

I'll repeat that because that parenthetical went really long. They do more than is required for the main game. And what do you say to them? "No, give it to us for free because it's already done." No. Fucking no. Listen to yourselves. You sound like children. Once production is winding down, the production team works on more content, and you're telling them that they're exploiting you by wanting to be paid for it.

Again, you people are ridiculous. I kept myself neutral when day one DLC was first becoming an issue, but the sides are becoming very, very clear, and the people complaining are some of the most selfish, entitled, and hateful people on the internet right now.

Now feel free to reinforce that last point against me.

EDIT: Also, sorry about putting this in Off-Topic, it started as just the first paragraph (which fit a bit more in here) and I forgot to move it over once everything else was down.

EDIT 2: Looks like it got moved, awesome.

 

[Sticky Squid]

I agree, it's terrible how McDonald's charge you extra money for cheese.

 

[Lucem712]

I also agree, I mean, they charge you 99c? You can go and buy a pack of singles for a buck or something like that. I'd shoot an e-mail to McD's, if I was you.

 

[DoPo]

Dafuq? How dare McDonalds withold content from you? The cheese was clearly ready before the burger was, and you paid for the burger, ergo, you must get the cheese for free.

CAPTCHA: "for keeps"

Yes, CAPTCHA, I think you are correct.

 

[Redlin5_v1legacy]

Oh you Yanks, eating at such horrible restaurants. I say boycott the cheese, that will work right?

 

[Sassafrass]

Oh you Yanks, eating at such horrible restaurants. I say boycott the cheese, that will work right?

Boycott cheese?

I'm afraid I can't do that, cheese makes up a good 87% of my daily intake of awesome foods. The rest is bacon. With melted cheese on it.

 

[Redlin5_v1legacy]

Oh you Yanks, eating at such horrible restaurants. I say boycott the cheese, that will work right?

Boycott cheese?

I'm afraid I can't do that, cheese makes up a good 87% of my daily intake of awesome foods. The rest is bacon. With melted cheese on it.

Well then you shouldn't complain when companies charge you for things that you like. It just makes good business sense.

I mean the bacon is amazing on its own, the cheese is something that came along later. For a little bit more you can add to your experience but the bacon was still f*cking amazing on its own.

BRB GOTTA EAT

 

[Phlakes]

Oh you Yanks, eating at such horrible restaurants. I say boycott the cheese, that will work right?

I told you, it was a moment of weakness. Normally I wouldn't be caught dead in one of those places (unless I ate my food in it [/nervous chuckle]).

 

[dimensional]

Ditto and thats why no one likes Mcdonalds as a business thieving money grabbing scumbags.
Seriously though didnt you post this argument already in a Mass Effect 3 thread OP?

I would say however that its not a good idea to take the word of people who are trying to sell you something, they may be telling the truth it may be a half truth or it may be an outright lie their song would stay the same. You are also right not to take the word of people who are pissed off as they represent the other side of the fence and will just stick to what they believe which may be the truth or a lie.

Until there is unmistakable proof one way or the other people arent going to back down the problem is I doubht there is a clear cut white and black to this maybe Bioware embellished on what was there to cut a small piece of the original game to add to another small piece they made after it had shipped to make a larger piece of DLC.

Also shouldnt this be in the videogame thread with the other Mass effect 3 threads?

 

[ChildishLegacy]

"No, give it to us for free because it's already done." No. Fucking no. Listen to yourselves.

I completely agree with your view on day 1 DLC, but how is that different to McDonalds charging you extra for cheese? Admittedly 0.99 is fucking ridiculous, but the burger is complete without cheese, it's already done and you expect it for free because the cheese is 'already done' and is right there.

I agree with you, but you contradict yourself with those 2 examples.

 

[GothmogII]

Most of the analogies are stupid, yours included. If you wanted to make one that even remotely came close you could have used DVD's or Music CD's:

1: A music CD has fifteen songs on it. The retailer is charging full price (meaning, the same price as another cd with 15 songs on average) for 10 of those songs, but says: For another $5 you can unlock these 'bonus' tracks.

2: A standard edition of a movie is released on DVD. The commentary track is recorded and already on the disc. Etcetera.

There are certain people who's job it is to determine what the initial pricing of a product is. Saying: Well, if more work was put in well then we should pay more doesn't really help, because that probably isn't the sole line of thinking that determines the final price, though I'd imagine it would be a consideration.

By that logic, a 6 hour long AAA title (like say, Portal) should cost -less- than an epic RPG adventure (like Skyrim) that would take the player days, if not weeks to play through all the content. But that doesn't even take into account how much development time went into either game.

As for doing more than 'required'...what does that even mean? I mean really...the devs are the only people who can determine what is required to say if/when a game is finished and fit for release, and even then it's often clear when a game -hasn't- gotten the time put into, i.e. bugs, broken gameplay or unfinished elements. With regards to day one DLC, it's fair enough when it's made clear from the get go that it is indeed content on-top of the rest of the game, but there's a fine line between that and content that exists in situ but has been partitioned off in order to squeeze as much money as reasonably possible from the product. No faulting -that- specifically, only that it does little to engender customer confidence.

As for the burger analogy: 99c for a slice of cheese? McDonalds is ripping you off there Phlakes. xD Wouldn't surprise me though.

Also, this probably could have gone in gaming...there's already a ton of these threads. :/

 

[Redd the Sock]

When we're talking an industry that has villified those that want to save a few bucks buying used games and added tech to make sure we're the origial purchaser when playing, I'm not inclined to take their word on the nature of something seeming like a cash grab. The nature of Mass Effect doesn't help as the majority of the game isn't necessary to see the ending making it difficult to tell when was part of the original plan and what wasn't (almost every ME2 character was a side quest). To that end, at least try to grasp our perspective: it's not that we want free extra cheese, it's that we've always been getting cheese and are now being told it's 30 cents extra, kind of in the same way free checking accounts now have fees and planes now charge for blankets and are looking at pay toilets.

 

[Phlakes]

"No, give it to us for free because it's already done." No. Fucking no. Listen to yourselves.

I completely agree with your view on day 1 DLC, but how is that different to McDonalds charging you extra for cheese? Admittedly 0.99 is fucking ridiculous, but the burger is complete without cheese, it's already done and you expect it for free because the cheese is 'already done' and is right there.

I agree with you, but you contradict yourself with those 2 examples.

...It was sarcasm. Or a sarcastic analogy, I guess.

It's more like you bought a cheeseburger and they give you 1/2 a slice and ask you to pay for the rest.

Oh, I didn't know the definition of "extra content" was changed like that. Thanks for the heads up.

*Sigh.

it's not that we want free extra cheese, it's that we've always been getting cheese and are now being told it's 30 cents extra, kind of in the same way free checking accounts now have fees and planes now charge for blankets and are looking at pay toilets.

Since when was DLC like this free?

 

[repeating integers]

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No, it's not quite the same I son't think. It's more like them giving you the usual amount of cheese, then asking you to pay extra to get an extra slice of cheese if you want to. Or alternatively, releasing a full 15-track CD, then asking you to pay more for an extra disk that comes with it with a few bonus tracks on it (which actually does happen sometimes).

Your analogies fail because the day-1 DLC is not an essential or usual part of the game - it's an optional extra.

 

[Lionsfan]

I don't really get involved in these things, but I don't buy everything the gaming companies are saying. Like Redd the Sock said above, we're talking about an industry that is trying to destroy the used games market and claiming that used games are going to ruin gaming for everyone. Sorry but no.

So when they start saying how they had to spend extra time to develop something that's on the disc or is released the day the game is, I find that hard to believe to say the least

 

[Micalas]

No OP, that's not how it works. If the files are on the disc, it is yours. Optional or not, if you have the data they should not charge you. I'm getting tired of this "software as a service" bullshit where they can change and take away from you whatever they like. It's not DOWNLOADABLE Content if it's already there.

I know this is just an argument over semantics but I'm sure they'd get a little less flak if there weren't any files for the "DLC" on the disc. If you actually had to download your Downloadable Content rather than unlocking it, I feel reaction would be much more favorable.

 

[Loop Stricken]

Oh Gods, the ME3 threads have escaped Gaming Discussion and are spreading!