Well reading the other posts reveals to me that this day-one DLC is already on the disc, it just needs to be unlocked with an extra payment. That's where I draw the line - if it's on the disk, it should be yours without extra payment. So yeah, in this matter I do actually agree with you, sorry.Matthew94 said:
An example I keep going back to is Magus from Chrono Trigger. Having him in the party was optional and didn't need to happen, but we got him without having to pay $10 over the price of the game we paid for. Yes, it wasn't downloadable (due to the tech at the time), but he probably would be if the game was made today. Games used to have these litte extras hidden as part of the game: extra characters and unlockable bosses in fighters, extra optional charactrs in RPGs, extra modes in platformers, hidden levels in shooters. I gueess if you're an older gamer you don't view the complete game as the shortest path between "press start" and "game over".Phlakes said:
We have to control the infection before ME3 replies end up in completely non related threads! GET THE FLAME THROWERS SOMETHING....Ooh...oohno...I....they got me....nooooooooo....T-tell my w-w-wife..I lov-....I...don't..have...a wife....DAMN.Loop Stricken said:
Yes, Micalas this is how it works. You don't own the information in the CD. Are you going to tell me, I can reverse engineer I game I bought and then release a product based on it for profit? Because your argument takes under no account that situation. Claiming "you own everything on the disc" effectively means that I can do that. However, you actually agree on ways you can use the software you buy and that is the the EULA. You do not get ultimate access to everything. Just take a look at the people who tried to do something with a game and were stopped by the product owners.Micalas said:
The actual issue here is not that a DLC like this has ever been free. There hasn't ever (well, if we're talking few years ago) been a DLC like that. People try to compare it to old experiences when actually, no they are taking the wrong view on it. So, to use the cheese analogy, we haven't always been getting cheese that we're suddenly charged for. Few years ago it wouldn't have been part of the game, perhaps, if it's not finished on time. Case in point - Fable the Lost Chapters. Have you played the original Fable? I haven't, because I don't own an Xbox, but I know for a fact that the whole "Lost Chapters" add quite a bit on top of the original game. And those "Lost Chapters" - somebody found them. On the original CD. They weren't 100% complete but they were there. Lionhead could have easily added quite a few hours of gameplay with those. Say, a third of the original, or something. But instead they released it as a separate game. In fact, they released the full game, some might say.Phlakes said:
If it's extra work, why bother putting it on the disk? Just make it downloadable, and maybe put it on the collectors' edition disk (which costs more anyway).Phlakes said:
Just don't put it on the disc. They'll still get paid.Phlakes said:
Ok, you have me on that one. I figured this argument would pop up. No I don't believe they should be able to reverse engineer it. I see this more of an issue with our moronic legal system. Life would be much simpler if people weren't such cunts. It would be nice if there was some kind of way for the law to state "This is your copy and what is on it is yours for your use. The developers cannot fuck with you and in exchange you are not allowed to do stupid shit with it."DoPo said:
If that were the case then it would be 'downloadable content' as opposed to 'loaded content'. If it's on the disk, then it -is- already part of the game. In the case of ME3 it's half and half. -Some- the resources needed for the 'DLC' in question are already on the disk, the rest is genuinely downloadable. It's a bit sleazy, but, I can't argue that the actual downloadable portion -is- as you say non-essential or part of the game.OhJohnNo said:
Yeah, I just recently noticed this. While legally they have a right to do this, I do believe it is - to misappropriate your words - a bit sleazy to put content actually on the disk and then charge you extra for it.GothmogII said:
I think that's called GPL. And the other open source licenses. They do boil down to this - giving you full control over the copy of the product. You can take Linux, for free burn it on CDs (you can also get free CDs with Linux...for free) and then sell them to people. Nobody really gives a fuck about it. You can take Linux and use that to make whatever you want with it (well, mostly, the license does have some clauses but they are sort of "don't be a dick"), modify it, change it, install it on a submarinte (or a nuclear power plant or wherever Windows was not allowed to be used[footnote]Yeah, it's under the license. I'm too lazy to look for it right now. But if you buy a copy of Windows, you cannot just go and install it on any machine you like. Nifty, huh.[/footnote]).Micalas said:
Looks like this is the critical mass effect. (Oh gods that was cheesy on par with Barry Burton...)Loop Stricken said:
Yes! That's pretty much what I mean. It's along the lines of the libertarian mantra of "free do what you like as long as you don't infringe on the rights of others." It would be our copy minus the ability to do something that hurts the developers/publishers.DoPo said:
They will swallow us all and turn us into hideous piles of complaining lunatics.Loop Stricken said:
You seriously think that? Maybe you're right but I'll only buy the DLC if at least one of these conditions is met:him over there said:
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