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Piorn

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I don't have a problem with paying more for more content, but they could at least assemble the burger for me, instead of selling me the burger, locking the cheese in a box, giving me the key with the box, and then expect me to install software on my PC that will let me open the box.
 

Redingold

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Oh for the love of...

It's more convenient for everybody to have the DLC on the disc. It means the producers don't have to keep track of multiple production lines for the standard edition and the collector's edition and that should you want to buy the DLC you don't have to waste time downloading it because it's already on the disc. There's nothing wrong with it being on the disc. If it wasn't on the disc, would it really be different? Would your anger at EA subside if you had to download the DLC instead of just unlocking it? Either way, you are handing over money for this content, how it's delivered to you shouldn't matter.
 

Monkeyman O'Brien

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Phlakes said:
Second, please shut the fuck up about day one DLC.
Says the person making yet another worthless fucking thread about it, bringing up no new or interesting points and is just reposting someone elses picture we have all seen a dozen times in the last 2 fucking days. How about you shut the fuck up about day one DLC, or if you simply must run your mouth about it and share your uninteresting opinion on it for the 257th time, then do it in one of the other 50 threads already about it instead of flooding the forum with yet another one because you are somehow under the delusion that your opinion is somehow more important.
 

shrekfan246

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Redd the Sock said:
Phlakes said:
Since when was DLC like this free?
An example I keep going back to is Magus from Chrono Trigger. Having him in the party was optional and didn't need to happen, but we got him without having to pay $10 over the price of the game we paid for. Yes, it wasn't downloadable (due to the tech at the time), but he probably would be if the game was made today. Games used to have these litte extras hidden as part of the game: extra characters and unlockable bosses in fighters, extra optional charactrs in RPGs, extra modes in platformers, hidden levels in shooters. I gueess if you're an older gamer you don't view the complete game as the shortest path between "press start" and "game over".
Or Vincent/Yuffie in Final Fantasy VII. My first play-through of that game, I didn't encounter either of those characters and therefore didn't experience their plotlines. However, I didn't need to pay Square $10 to unlock them on subsequent playthroughs. . .

I don't like when DLC is included on a game disc and just locked behind a money-barrier, because that's being greedy, but I tend to ignore most DLC anyway, no matter what it is. The only reason I had any of the Mass Effect 2 DLC was because the PS3 version came with a bunch of it already unlocked.

Captcha: Search Inventory. Captcha is getting intelligent. It must be purged.
 

Staskala

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Yes, Micalas this is how it works. You don't own the information in the CD. Are you going to tell me, I can reverse engineer I game I bought and then release a product based on it for profit? Because your argument takes under no account that situation. Claiming "you own everything on the disc" effectively means that I can do that. However, you actually agree on ways you can use the software you buy and that is the the EULA. You do not get ultimate access to everything. Just take a look at the people who tried to do something with a game and were stopped by the product owners.
Sorry, but that is complete bullshit. Owning something and reverse-engineering it for commercial gain are completely different things. If I buy a car I can do whatever I want to do with it, but I still can't reverse-engineer it and produce my own car using patented technology. Owning something has nothing to do with using it for commercial purposes. Same thing with music, if I own a music CD I can do what I want with it and its content, as long as I don't use tracks for anything but private purposes. I can make a totally rad song using copyrighted material, I just can't release it.
So yes, nothing would stop me from creating my own Mass Effect 4 by reverse-engineering Bioware's products, as long as I didn't make it available to the public. And even then there's the fair use rationale for non-commercial purposes. See: mods.
Please don't talk about copyright law if you don't know much about it. If Bioware were to go to court over someone unlocking the files on the CD it sure as hell won't be an instant win, especially not just because of the EULA, which gets regularly thrown out of court for not being considered legally binding. Things just aren't that black and white in law.
 

isometry

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Piorn said:
I don't have a problem with paying more for more content, but they could at least assemble the burger for me, instead of selling me the burger, locking the cheese in a box, giving me the key with the box, and then expect me to install software on my PC that will let me open the box.
Same here. It's not even the cost of DLC that bothers me, it's just the messiness of the experience. At a time when I am excited to play a new installment of a favorite series, the last thing I want to do is mess around with files. I find that installing both a game and a DLC approximately doubles the chance of technical headaches.

And with DLC that comes out after launch, sometimes it integrates poorly with the main game, so I have to launch the program differently to access the DLC. Then I have to figure out how to access it in-game, which might be tricky, causing me to search online and encounter frustrating spoilers.

So your comment really hit home with me, since I don't mind an extra $10 for a great game, but I do mind a bunch of hassles and messiness that reduces its greatness.
 

Matt King

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i personally have no problem with dlc, i like your metaphor for it, good job sir have a cookie
 

Lucem712

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Flailing Escapist said:
Lucem712 said:
Loop Stricken said:
Oh Gods, the ME3 threads have escaped Gaming Discussion and are spreading!
We have to control the infection before ME3 replies end up in completely non related threads! GET THE FLAME THROWERS!!!!!
Mac wants a what?


I'm ready. The heart is deep within the gaming section, we face impossible odds. But otherwise, the escapist will be buried under fan rage. Are you with me, comrade??
 
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We didn't really need a thread for this picture. If you were charge that for a cheese burger then yes it is was but if you ordered a normal burger and then paid the extra that is fine. Seriously, stop using the word entitled it has lost all meaning and it has become as bad as the people whining too much. If people want to complain they can it what a forum is for.

There are legitimate and less legitimate for the hate on Mass Effect 3 in general and on this DLC. I am of more or less the same general opinion on this as Total Biscuit. I will not buy this DLC as I do not like it and do not accept it as a normal thing. I have no problem with DLC being made and regardless of how little this character actually affects the game it is canon wise important. A living Prothean is a big deal regardless. Anyway as said before this could have just been just like the ME 2 DLC but it isn't. That is a different thing.

I also disagree with stuff like Assassin's Creed 2 DLC.

Anyway in short this is not something I accept as acceptable for a preorder collectors edition bonus. I will not be contributing to it and I will talk about it wherever I please as long it is within the rules of the site or area I am in and I will be voting with my wallet on this and other issues eg MW2.

If that makes me ridiculous, well, I don't actually care. Always nice to have an opposing to reassess my own though.
 

Flailing Escapist

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Lucem712 said:
Flailing Escapist said:
Lucem712 said:
Loop Stricken said:
Oh Gods, the ME3 threads have escaped Gaming Discussion and are spreading!
We have to control the infection before ME3 replies end up in completely non related threads! GET THE FLAME THROWERS!!!!!
Mac wants a what?


I'm ready. The heart is deep within the gaming section, we face impossible odds. But otherwise, the escapist will be buried under fan rage. Are you with me, comrade??

Do you want the threads about Day One Dlc or the ones about the ending?
 

shrekfan246

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Lucem712 said:
I'm ready. The heart is deep within the gaming section, we face impossible odds. But otherwise, the escapist will be buried under fan rage. Are you with me, comrade??
It's actually already too late. There was a thread the other day about a Chinese man . . . doing some rather crazy and unsavory things to his son, and one of the first comments (which appears to have been deleted now) was about how terrible Mass Effect 3's ending was.
 

2fish

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To think the whole thing could have been avoided if they gave you your cheese a week later. But no they had to offer it after you ordered the burger. They know people don't like it when it is presented that way. Day one cheese is a bad marketing strategy, too much hate.

Go with Wendy's they give you the cheese the next day, so you know they worked extra hard on it.

PS why did they show Jacks head I mean Jack in the box was all about the mystery man...now it is gone.
 

Phlakes

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Phlakes said:
Day one DLC is a developer working overtime. Do you deny that?
If they want to work overtime, that's fine. They should be spending the time between certification and launch to hunt and squish bugs, make sure performance is up to par, that sort of stuff. You know, give us a working product. So many devs forget about this. After launch they should then spend another two or three months hunting and squishing bugs that are found by the playerbase.


Only when the bug reports trickle down to one or two a month should they start working on DLC. This will be a few months post-launch.
...You do know there are other parts of a development team than programmers and QA, right?