You will never be good at Melee again.

[SuperNova221]

Ew, chain grabs and wavedashing.

Just the kind of Smash Bros player I despise.

He wouldn't do it if it wasn't effective. He's playing to win. No reason to hate him for it.

For the same reason Wesker in UMvC3 is effective.

Doesn't mean it's not cheap as fuck

If you're playing with some friends for some fun, then sure, constraints on what people can/can't do so even the worst player there can still have fun and have a chance at winning is a pretty good idea.

But in a competetive context, which this is, "cheap", "unfair", "bullshit" etc just don't exist. The type of player that restricts what they incorporate into their play is the type of player that will not get far in any competetive scenario. Even if something is truly infair, as in completely imbalanced, it's still not the players fault for using it because they enjoy trying to get as good as possible within the intended game mechanics, so they're just doing what they enjoy. In that case it's just a poorly designed game.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

Ew, chain grabs and wavedashing.

Just the kind of Smash Bros player I despise.

Butbutbutbut that's how the pros do it Daystar!

Reminds me of how gay LoL has gotten since I last played. If you don't do everything according to the meta you're doing it wrong. Fuck e-sports.

No items!

Fox only!

Final Destination!

I say if you're making up bullshit rules like that you're doing it wrong.

 

[Nemesis729]

Ew, chain grabs and wavedashing.

Just the kind of Smash Bros player I despise.

He wouldn't do it if it wasn't effective. He's playing to win. No reason to hate him for it.

For the same reason Wesker in UMvC3 is effective.

Doesn't mean it's not cheap as fuck

It's not cheap it's just strategy, if you think you can do it go to a tournament and give it a shot.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Ew, chain grabs and wavedashing.

Just the kind of Smash Bros player I despise.

He wouldn't do it if it wasn't effective. He's playing to win. No reason to hate him for it.

For the same reason Wesker in UMvC3 is effective.

Doesn't mean it's not cheap as fuck

It's not cheap it's just strategy, if you think you can do it go to a tournament and give it a shot.

I'd never play in a tournament because of just this type of meta bullshit.

Making the other 99% of the game irrelevant because the 1% beats everything else is just ridiculous.

 

[ReadyAmyFire]

Fox's down-B is OP as balls.

Been a long time... was the the reflecting hexagon? That thing was brilliant. Much hilarity playing against Samus, and especially anyone who threw a pokemon at me without realising it became mine.

 

[Someone Depressing]

Ew, chain grabs and wavedashing.

Just the kind of Smash Bros player I despise.

He wouldn't do it if it wasn't effective. He's playing to win. No reason to hate him for it.

For the same reason Wesker in UMvC3 is effective.

Doesn't mean it's not cheap as fuck

It's not cheap it's just strategy, if you think you can do it go to a tournament and give it a shot.

I'd never play in a tournament because of just this type of meta bullshit.

Making the other 99% of the game irrelevant because the 1% beats everything else is just ridiculous.

I have to agree with you on that. Especially the idiots who say that "items on aren't how the game's ment to be played". (Even though I think the Item Rate is not only on but also at Normal when you first play the game)

 

[Nemesis729]

Ew, chain grabs and wavedashing.

Just the kind of Smash Bros player I despise.

He wouldn't do it if it wasn't effective. He's playing to win. No reason to hate him for it.

For the same reason Wesker in UMvC3 is effective.

Doesn't mean it's not cheap as fuck

It's not cheap it's just strategy, if you think you can do it go to a tournament and give it a shot.

I'd never play in a tournament because of just this type of meta bullshit.

Making the other 99% of the game irrelevant because the 1% beats everything else is just ridiculous.

Oh cmon, it's really cheap right? Just use those strategies and you'll be OP right? Oh man maybe you can even use top tier characters,you'd be unstoppable

 

[PrototypeC]

OP, is this you? Be honest.

I mean, I'm terrible at Melee, truly, but this guy is supposed to be impressive because... speedruns? What, because he broke the targets? I'm not saying that isn't a good player, but those kinds of cheap tricks he was using make him slightly less interesting to me.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Ew, chain grabs and wavedashing.

Just the kind of Smash Bros player I despise.

He wouldn't do it if it wasn't effective. He's playing to win. No reason to hate him for it.

For the same reason Wesker in UMvC3 is effective.

Doesn't mean it's not cheap as fuck

It's not cheap it's just strategy, if you think you can do it go to a tournament and give it a shot.

I'd never play in a tournament because of just this type of meta bullshit.

Making the other 99% of the game irrelevant because the 1% beats everything else is just ridiculous.

I have to agree with you on that. Especially the idiots who say that "items on aren't how the game's ment to be played". (Even though I think the Item Rate is not only on but also at Normal when you first play the game)

Even the original creators stated that Smash Bros was never intended for competitive play, that's why character balance is all over the place.

When the competitive scene of Melee and Brawl consist of a handful of characters and only one stage, when they're are more than 30 characters and loads of stages...

Well.

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[Daystar Clarion]

Ew, chain grabs and wavedashing.

Just the kind of Smash Bros player I despise.

He wouldn't do it if it wasn't effective. He's playing to win. No reason to hate him for it.

For the same reason Wesker in UMvC3 is effective.

Doesn't mean it's not cheap as fuck

It's not cheap it's just strategy, if you think you can do it go to a tournament and give it a shot.

I'd never play in a tournament because of just this type of meta bullshit.

Making the other 99% of the game irrelevant because the 1% beats everything else is just ridiculous.

Oh cmon, it's really cheap right? Just use those strategies and you'll be OP right? Oh man maybe you can even use top tier characters,you'd be unstoppable

Of course I can't compete with tournament players, never said I could.

Doesn't mean I can't criticise the gameplay ethic behind it all.

 

[piinyouri]

Ew, chain grabs and wavedashing.

Just the kind of Smash Bros player I despise.

Butbutbutbut that's how the pros do it Daystar!

Reminds me of how gay LoL has gotten since I last played. If you don't do everything according to the meta you're doing it wrong. Fuck e-sports.

No items!


Final Destination!

I get why people do this so often, and do it myself on occasion, but honestly, a big open platform with no items is pretty boring.

 

[DJ_DEnM]

Ew, chain grabs and wavedashing.

Just the kind of Smash Bros player I despise.

Butbutbutbut that's how the pros do it Daystar!

Reminds me of how gay LoL has gotten since I last played. If you don't do everything according to the meta you're doing it wrong. Fuck e-sports.

No items!

Fox only!

Final Destination!

I admit, at one time I was guilty of two of those rules on the list. We were really competitive back then! Don't look at me like that!

Fox's down-B is OP as balls.

I'm fairly sure Falco's (In Brawl) is more OP as he kicks it away.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Ew, chain grabs and wavedashing.

Just the kind of Smash Bros player I despise.

Butbutbutbut that's how the pros do it Daystar!

Reminds me of how gay LoL has gotten since I last played. If you don't do everything according to the meta you're doing it wrong. Fuck e-sports.

No items!

Fox only!

Final Destination!

I say if you're making up bullshit rules like that you're doing it wrong.

Indeed

Reminds me of a video.

 

[Nemesis729]

Ew, chain grabs and wavedashing.

Just the kind of Smash Bros player I despise.

He wouldn't do it if it wasn't effective. He's playing to win. No reason to hate him for it.

For the same reason Wesker in UMvC3 is effective.

Doesn't mean it's not cheap as fuck

It's not cheap it's just strategy, if you think you can do it go to a tournament and give it a shot.

I'd never play in a tournament because of just this type of meta bullshit.

Making the other 99% of the game irrelevant because the 1% beats everything else is just ridiculous.

Oh cmon, it's really cheap right? Just use those strategies and you'll be OP right? Oh man maybe you can even use top tier characters,you'd be unstoppable

Of course I can't compete with tournament players, never said I could.

Doesn't mean I can't criticise the gameplay ethic behind it all.

I think it does, If you've never competed, never appreciated the absolute insane amount of practice it takes to be good at that game, you can't really talk.

Well you can, but it will just be the view of someone who doesn't really know what they're talking about...

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Ew, chain grabs and wavedashing.

Just the kind of Smash Bros player I despise.

He wouldn't do it if it wasn't effective. He's playing to win. No reason to hate him for it.

For the same reason Wesker in UMvC3 is effective.

Doesn't mean it's not cheap as fuck

It's not cheap it's just strategy, if you think you can do it go to a tournament and give it a shot.

I'd never play in a tournament because of just this type of meta bullshit.

Making the other 99% of the game irrelevant because the 1% beats everything else is just ridiculous.

Oh cmon, it's really cheap right? Just use those strategies and you'll be OP right? Oh man maybe you can even use top tier characters,you'd be unstoppable

Of course I can't compete with tournament players, never said I could.

Doesn't mean I can't criticise the gameplay ethic behind it all.

I think it does, If you've never competed, never appreciated the absolute insane amount of practice it takes to be good at that game, you can't really talk.

Well you can, but it will just be the view of someone who doesn't really know what they're talking about...

Please, that logic is flawed.

That's like saying an astronomer can't truly understand space because he's never been there.

I know all about tiers, the metagame, all of that nonsense.

For a game like UMvC3, which was designed to be a competitive game, that's fine, it's to be expected, because the game is balanced for tournament play. Sure, some things slip through the cracks, but things always do.


Smash Bros was never meant to be competitive, it was never designed to be competitive, the balance is all over the place, so the metagame makes the other 99% of the game irrelevant.

 

[Nemesis729]

Ew, chain grabs and wavedashing.

Just the kind of Smash Bros player I despise.

He wouldn't do it if it wasn't effective. He's playing to win. No reason to hate him for it.

For the same reason Wesker in UMvC3 is effective.

Doesn't mean it's not cheap as fuck

It's not cheap it's just strategy, if you think you can do it go to a tournament and give it a shot.

I'd never play in a tournament because of just this type of meta bullshit.

Making the other 99% of the game irrelevant because the 1% beats everything else is just ridiculous.

Oh cmon, it's really cheap right? Just use those strategies and you'll be OP right? Oh man maybe you can even use top tier characters,you'd be unstoppable

Of course I can't compete with tournament players, never said I could.

Doesn't mean I can't criticise the gameplay ethic behind it all.

I think it does, If you've never competed, never appreciated the absolute insane amount of practice it takes to be good at that game, you can't really talk.

Well you can, but it will just be the view of someone who doesn't really know what they're talking about...

Please, that logic is flawed.

That's like saying an astronomer can't truly understand space because he's never been there.

I know all about tiers, the metagame, all of that nonsense.

For a game like UMvC3, which was designed to be a competitive game, that's fine, it's to be expected, because the game is balanced for tournament play. Sure, some things slip through the cracks, but things always do.


Smash Bros was never meant to be competitive, it was never designed to be competitive, the balance is all over the place, so the metagame makes the other 99% of the game irrelevant.

Are you joking with the astronomer thing? Fine if you have your degree in Super Smash Bros or a closely related field then I withdraw my comment.

It doesn't matter whether the developers intended for the game to be played competitively, it is, and if that means players will have to be creative and come up with the moves and strategies themselves, well that's just a plus.

Oh and the tiers in melee can be broken just like any other game, check out taj playing as mewtwo (A very low tier character)

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Ew, chain grabs and wavedashing.

Just the kind of Smash Bros player I despise.

He wouldn't do it if it wasn't effective. He's playing to win. No reason to hate him for it.

For the same reason Wesker in UMvC3 is effective.

Doesn't mean it's not cheap as fuck

It's not cheap it's just strategy, if you think you can do it go to a tournament and give it a shot.

I'd never play in a tournament because of just this type of meta bullshit.

Making the other 99% of the game irrelevant because the 1% beats everything else is just ridiculous.

Oh cmon, it's really cheap right? Just use those strategies and you'll be OP right? Oh man maybe you can even use top tier characters,you'd be unstoppable

Of course I can't compete with tournament players, never said I could.

Doesn't mean I can't criticise the gameplay ethic behind it all.

I think it does, If you've never competed, never appreciated the absolute insane amount of practice it takes to be good at that game, you can't really talk.

Well you can, but it will just be the view of someone who doesn't really know what they're talking about...

Please, that logic is flawed.

That's like saying an astronomer can't truly understand space because he's never been there.

I know all about tiers, the metagame, all of that nonsense.

For a game like UMvC3, which was designed to be a competitive game, that's fine, it's to be expected, because the game is balanced for tournament play. Sure, some things slip through the cracks, but things always do.


Smash Bros was never meant to be competitive, it was never designed to be competitive, the balance is all over the place, so the metagame makes the other 99% of the game irrelevant.

Are you joking with the astronomer thing? Fine if you have your degree in Super Smash Bros or a closely related field then I withdraw my comment.

It doesn't matter whether the developers intended for the game to be played competitively, it is, and if that means players will have to be creative and come up with the moves and strategies themselves, well that's just a plus.

Oh and the tiers in melee can be broken just like any other game, check out taj playing as mewtwo (A very low tier character)

No, but you are stating that I need to be a tournament grade player to appreciate how tournament play works, which is nonsense.

Sports commentators don't tend to be great at the sports they narrate, skill level mean nothing in regards to knowledge.

And of course there's always and exception to the rule, but it doesn't change the fact that using anyone outside of a handful characters will usually end in failure.

 

[ReinWeisserRitter]

I think we're all guilty of the FD no items thing at least once

Not even once, thanks.

But then you realise the true spirit of the game is in the chaos of the stages and randomness of the items.

Because of this; I wouldn't play a game like this unless it's played as it was intended. And because I think it's more impressive to see someone win when everything isn't exactly as they expect; the true mark of a good player is when they can win while adapting to ever-changing circumstances.

 

[Dogstile]

Ew, chain grabs and wavedashing.

Just the kind of Smash Bros player I despise.

Butbutbutbut that's how the pros do it Daystar!

Reminds me of how gay LoL has gotten since I last played. If you don't do everything according to the meta you're doing it wrong. Fuck e-sports.

No items!

Fox only!

Final Destination!

Those people make Smogon look like jesus. Thats the most boring thing I've ever heard of for a game too.....

Off topic but I see all the STALKER's avialable on Steam for a steal, which one is the least buggy and the most worth getting?

Call of Pripyat is the least buggy and playable out of the box and unmodded.